Flashback 2004: Antarctica will soon be the only place to live

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Why Antarctica will soon be the only place to live - literally

By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Sunday, 2 May 2004

Antarctica is likely to be the world's only habitable continent by the end of this century if global warming remains unchecked, the Government's chief scientist, Professor Sir David King, said last week.


Fast forward almost ten years:


Aurora Australis is forced to abandon bit to rescue stricken Russian ship MV Akademik Shokalskiy from ice


Passengers aboard the stricken MV Akademik Shokalskiy have been told to prepare for the "worst case scenario" and may now have to abandon ship two weeks into their month-long trip of a lifetime to the Antarctic.

Having sailed overnight the Aurora battled its way through the freezing conditions and had come within 10 nautical miles of the Russian passenger ship, which has been wedged in a 20 nautical mile wide ice floe since Christmas Eve.


Sea ice in the Antarctic is currently at record levels for this time of year and has been on the increase since satellites began assessing it in the late 1970s.Somewhere far, far to the South where it is Summer, a group of global warming scientists is trapped in the Antarctic ice. If you missed the irony of that situation, it is because much of the mainstream media has glossed over that rather inconvenient fact.

Get you winter woolies ready for the move South ....


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Too late! All the good beachside property has been snapped up by Al Gore and the hinterland is being declared a Polar bear sanctuary by Greenpeace. They're looking for donations to help with the relocation costs. They have the ecological impacts sorted. The bears can polish off the penguins until the whale population builds up again and then they can eat them. Japanese will be banned from Antarctica so there'll be no competition for the food source.

The Vatican are making arrangements to move and are currently forming a conclave to decide on a new colour for the 'best dressed' Pope to wear as he'll vanish in white down there. It's just an interim arrangement until the palm trees get established, then the traditional garb will return.

Sorry, sometimes the World is just too crazy to make even pretending to be sensible worth the effort.
 

Did anyonethink to ask Al Gore his opinion?

Not sure but what I do know is that whenever he is involved with something promoting his "cause", the weather turns nasty. It's known widely as The Gore Effect.

1. Gore Effect

word of the day: January 23, 2007

The phenomenon that leads to unseasonably cold temperatures, driving rain, hail, or snow whenever Al Gore visits an area to discuss global warming. Hence, the Gore Effect.

- Australia, November 2006: Al Gore is visiting two weeks before summer begins. The Gore Effect strikes: "Ski resort operators gazed at the snow in amazement. Parents took children out of school and headed for the mountains. Cricketers scurried amid bullets of hail as Melburnians traded lunchtime tales of the incredible cold." (The Age)

- New York, March 2004: "Gore chose January 15, 2004, one of the coldest days in New York City's history, to rail against the Bush administration and global warming skeptics... Global warming, Gore told a startled audience, is causing record cold temperatures." (NY Environment News)
 
Century old photo negatives found in Antarctic explorer's hut...http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/28/world/antarctic-historic-photos/

SB, I always think of Captain Oates whenever I hear stories about the Antarctic. Greater love .....

"I am just going outside and may be some time." With these words, Antarctic explorer Capt Lawrence Oates set out to meet his death 100 years ago, aged 31, and entered the history books.

He was one of five men who died as they tried to return home from Robert Falcon Scott's ill-fated expedition to the South Pole in 1912.

Capt Oates is remembered because of his act of self-sacrifice, committed because he believed he was slowing the others down.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17269397
 
It's getting worse in the deep South; the Chinese icebreaker, which was standing off, is now trapped:

Antarctic helicopter rescue delayed as second ship trapped in ice


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Xue Long sits in Watt Bay, Antarctica.


Plans to rescue 52 passengers trapped on the stricken Russian research ship Akademik Shokalskiy have been thrown into disarray after the Chinese ice-breaker Xue Long itself became stuck in pack ice, west of the Mertz Glacier.

It is the second vessel to become trapped in the region in less than two weeks.

There were expectations that a helicopter on the Xue Long would today begin ferrying trapped passengers off the Russian ship.
http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/...elayed-as-second-ship-trapped-in-ice/?src=rss
 
And this is what the Guardian has to say on the subject, in reasonably plain English:

[h=1]Five basic Antarctic facts for climate change sceptics[/h]Commentators say plight of MV Akademik Shokalskiy shows global warming is exaggerated – the truth is not that simple






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The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says there is "high confidence that ice shelves around the Antarctic peninsula continue a long-term trend of retreat and partial collapse". Photograph: AAP

To most people the prolonged stranding of the MV Akademik Shokalskiy in thick pack ice off the coast of Antarctica is an unfortunate incident that provided passengers with rather static scenery for their Christmas and New Year celebrations.

But to some climate change contrarians, repeated attempts to free the vessel from the ice are proof that the theory of climate change is flawed or, at best, exaggerated. After all, a warming planet has no ice at all, right?

In Sydney’s Daily Telegraph, Roger Franklin dispensed with analysis of ice extent, the cyrosphere and the like to get to the heart of the matter – expedition leader Chris Turney is a “warmist” whose understanding of Antarctica amounts to little more than it gets “really, really cold”.

The Australian newspaper darkly intoned that the stranding was a “hard lesson for those who persistently exaggerate the impact of global warming”.

Helpfully, the newspaper points out that researchers aboard the Akademik Shokalskiy have suffered an “embarrassing failure” in their mission, which apparently was not to follow in the footsteps of explorer Douglas Mawson and build on his scientific observations but to prove beyond doubt that climate change is real.

ABC science broadcaster Adam Spencer took to Twitter – another of the The Australian’s bugbears – to lament that “you’d fail a year 8 science test if you presented the misunderstandings” contained in The Australian’s editorial. To help clear up the confusion, here are some basic Antarctic facts.
[h=2]1. It is large and cold[/h]The Antarctic is an enormous frozen continent that covers about a fifth of the southern hemisphere. It is the driest, windiest continent on Earth, covered by ice that can reach 4km deep. A new world record for a low temperature was set in December when a NASA satellite clocked a reading of minus 93.3C on the east Antarctic plateau.

Surrounding the vast glacial, or land-based, ice is sea ice, which contracts and expands depending on the season. This is an important distinction, which we will get to shortly.
[h=2]2. It is not the same as the Arctic[/h]The Arctic (around the north pole, doesn’t have penguins, but has polar bears) is very different from the Antarctic (around the south pole, has penguins, but not polar bears).

Essentially, the Antarctic is a continent of ice surrounded by cold water. The Arctic is a semi-enclosed ocean, almost completely surrounded by land. Steadily warming land and sea temperatures have had a visible impact on the Arctic, with its extent reaching record lows in recent years.

The loss of ice in Antarctica does not appear to be as dramatic and it is even increasing in places, leading some to believe this means global warming is not occurring.

“The Arctic is warming much faster than the Antarctic because it’s an open ocean surrounded by continents,” said Tony Press, chief executive of the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-operative Research Centre based at the University of Tasmania.

“When people talk about an increase in ice they are actually talking about sea ice, which is completely different from continental ice. Warmer oceans help melt the ice and make it thinner, which has been observed in the Arctic. In Antarctica it’s more complicated. It is losing continental ice while sea ice has been increasing by about 1% a decade.”
[h=2]3. Climate change is having varying impacts[/h]Studies have found Antarctica has lost about 100bn tonnes of continental ice a year since 1993, causing the global sea level to rise by about 0.2mm a year.

The latest climate report from Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, released last year, said there was “high confidence” that the Antarctic ice sheet had been losing ice during the past two decades, mainly from the northern and western parts of the continent, near South America.

“There is high confidence that ice shelves around the Antarctic peninsula continue a long-term trend of retreat and partial collapse that began decades ago,” the report added.

But this loss, caused by warming oceans, has been countered by an increase in ice in the Ross Sea region. This is the result of a range of factors, including climate change.

“There has been an increase in snowfall in parts of the Antarctic, especially the east Antarctic where the ship is,” Press said.
“That increase in snowfall can be attributed to warmer temperatures. It’s a pretty basic principle of science that increased air humidity causes precipitation if it’s warm enough or snow if it’s cold enough. It’s very cold in the Antarctic, so it snows.”
[h=2]4. The ship did not get “frozen in”[/h]Contrary to some of the more outlandish claims made by climate change deniers, the ship was not suddenly enveloped by ice due to rapidly plummeting temperatures. It was pinned by ice carved off from the Mertz glacier, a well-established ice formation.

“In the last few years the ice near where the ship is bogged has become less accessible,” Press said.
“This will eventually break up and move away, depending on wind patterns, storms, tidal activity and ambient temperatures. These are variable, local conditions.”
[h=2]5. Research takes time[/h]The Australian Antarctic Division has been collecting data on ice flow, thickness and other such things in east Antarctica for more than 50 years.

Despite this, the organisation admits there are still gaps in scientific understanding of the Antarctic, mainly around the dynamics of ice sheets. This understanding will be improved by rigorous analysis of gathered evidence. It’s unlikely a single ship getting stuck in ice will cause a major deviation in researchers’ findings.





http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-delights-climate-change-sceptics?CMP=soc_568
 
Warrigal, that is a typical defence of the indefensible by The Guardian's alarmist journalists. Why do you think they needed to write it if "the science" is so secure?

1. It is large and cold

  • It sure is and getting colder.
2. It is not the same as the Arctic

  • Surely nobody with eyes, ears and a brain thinks otherwise.
3. Climate change is having varying impacts

  • Is it? Hurricanes, tornadoes, forest fires, droughts, floods show no trends.
    What impact is climate change having then, apart from the partial melt in the North?
4. The ship did not get “frozen in”

  • I can't recall but did someone say it was? All I have read talks about wind-blown floes.
5. Research takes time

  • Yes. And money and keeps people employed doing more research. Every paper you read says "more needs to be done" or WTTE.

Every weather event is now seen as proof of global warming. Mine is a losing battle but I'm not about to give up.

Show me any evidence that carbon dioxide is a driver of climate and I will reconsider. The IPCC is not so sure any more.
 
Warrigal, that is a typical defence of the indefensible by The Guardian's alarmist journalists. Why do you think they needed to write it if "the science" is so secure?

Probably to counter nonsense written in the Murdoch press. In particular this sort of thing:

But to some climate change contrarians, repeated attempts to free the vessel from the ice are proof that the theory of climate change is flawed or, at best, exaggerated. After all, a warming planet has no ice at all, right?

In Sydney’s Daily Telegraph, Roger Franklin dispensed with analysis of ice extent, the cyrosphere and the like to get to the heart of the matter – expedition leader Chris Turney is a “warmist” whose understanding of Antarctica amounts to little more than it gets “really, really cold”.

The Australian newspaper darkly intoned that the stranding was a “hard lesson for those who persistently exaggerate the impact of global warming”.

Helpfully, the newspaper points out that researchers aboard the Akademik Shokalskiy have suffered an “embarrassing failure” in their mission, which apparently was not to follow in the footsteps of explorer Douglas Mawson and build on his scientific observations but to prove beyond doubt that climate change is real.
Check the links for more.
 
I'll be there DB .. I've been pushing the same barrow ever since this 'big con' started all those years ago and I won't let it go until the Al Gores of the world are in jail with the other frauds or his beach house sinks beneath those rising ocean levels.

For those who came in late my argument, and obsession, is with the doomboosters who are reaping obscene amounts of money by tarting up flimsy figures with exaggeration and plain lies to present it as "the science." None may doubt because "the science" is the new gospel! Those who don't kneel before, or even question, "the science" are immediately labelled, gasp, Deniers! (Read heretics.) They're/we're not 'deniers' were skeptics of conmen, what exactly is wrong with that?

You only have to look at the billions skimmed from gullible governments investing in shonky 'Green Technology' to see there's a buck in it.
And where there's a buck there's an evangelist selling the new religion. I'm not against the real science, just those who are using it to con money and power from the marks.

I stand by the right to hoot, point, jump about, and holler with laughter every time one of these shonky shamans' prophesies of doom are proven wrong. Maybe not long term wrong, but then they aren't touting their spiel as long term are they? They've been threatening imminent disaster to get everyone's attention. So immediate blowing to hell of their theories is equally acceptable by all the rules of fairness.

One clown climevangelist louder than most in OZ got himself enthroned on a handsomely padded salary at the right hand of the PM as Climogod's voice on Earth.
He proclaimed that the climate modelling and figures proved beyond all doubt that the drought current at the time would prove to be the end of us all and that Adelaide and Brisbane would soon be ghost towns as not enough water would be available for the population.
The dams would dry up and it would never rain again hard enough to refill them. So there! Be afraid!
And lo many became afraid and voted Green! And a great woe was upon the land.

The next year Brisbane had the biggest flood it had seen in decades because .... wait for it.... the Dam overflowed! Oh and Adelaide is still fully populated.

Now it's my contention that if they want to make stupid proclamations and prophecies to hoodwink the gullible then they must expect derision when their smoke and mirrors are seen through. Right Warri? Reap as ye sow! We've been force fed their bullsh*t long enough, now they can swallow some of ours.

So sure, the climate is changing. It has always been changing. It always will change. Sometimes it changed very slowly and sometimes it has been found by the real science to have changed very fast. Coal fired power stations didn't cause it a million years ago, nor did air conditioners or fridges. Nor did CO2. Taxed or not. Maybe it was all the methane from dinosaur farts?

Whole bloody continents float about and change. Antarctica was a tropical paradise of palms and dinosaurs. They have the fossils to prove it. It floated South and got cold. The North Pole is an iceblock in a very big bowl of water and will melt or grow as it always has, according to weather patterns (not necessarily climate,) sunspot activity, and ocean current variations.

What exactly is 'normal' for Arctic ice? Wasn't it 'normal' when it stretched solid to form a land bridge between Asia and N.America?? What ever happened to that? (Did somebody build a factory?) Is that the 'normal' they want it to go back to? Or only the 'normal' of a century ago which is the blink of an eye in geological terms. 'The science' is only pushing short term figures because long term ones don't suit their agenda. They're not scary enough to keep the money rolling in.


So there.

...and because this got lost on the previous page I'll repost it because to a climatecon skeptic like me, and DB, it's an absolute gem!

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Is this part of the con?

2013 confirmed as Australia's hottest year on record

National Climate Change Weather
DateJanuary 3, 2014 - 9:38AM

Peter Hannam

Environment Editor, The Sydney Morning Herald


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Australia smashed its previous annual heat record in 2013. Photo: Glenn Campbell

Australia smashed its previous annual heat record in 2013, with a summer heatwave and spring hot spell among the outstanding periods of unusual warmth. The Bureau of Meteorology on Friday confirmed that last year was the hottest nationwide in more than a century of standardised records, with mean temperatures 1.2 degrees above the 1961-90 average. The 12 months easily eclipsed the previous annual record set in 2005, when mean temperatures were 1.03 degrees above average.

[Note the absence of any below average temperatures across the continent, and hardly any averages]
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Australia's heat in 2013: no region below average. Souce: BoM

Every state and the Northern Territory recorded at least their fourth warmest year by mean temperatures, underscoring the breadth of 2013's unusual heat. By maximums, all but Victoria and Tasmania recorded their hottest years.

Among the cities, Sydney posted daily maximums averaging 23.7 degrees in 2013, well above the previous high in more than 150 years of records, of 23.4 degrees set in both 2004 and 2005, said Blair Trewin, a senior climatologist at the Bureau of Meteorology. Minimum temperatures were the third-highest, at 15.1 degrees, a shade below the 15.2 degrees set in 2007 and 2009.

Melbourne posted its third hottest year, also based on records going back to the 1850s, with maximums averaging 21.5 degrees, shy of 2007's record of 21.8 degrees. The city's minimums averaged 12.2 degrees, second only to 2007's 12.5 degrees.

[Rainfall patterns]

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Wet in the north west in 2013, mostly dry or average rain elsewhere. Source: BoM

A heatwave in early January, when the national average maximum temperatures reached 40.3 degrees on January 7, set the country up for a hot year. January was Australia's hottest month on record and December 2012-February 2013 was the hottest summer. This January has also started with a blast of heat over inland regions, with Moomba in South Australia recording 49.3 degrees on Thursday, while Birdsville in Queenland clocked up 48.6 degrees.

Neutral conditions

Unusually warm waters around Australia helped keep temperatures well above average in 2013, while many parts of the country recorded their mildest winters on record. The record year for heat came even though key climate conditions in the Pacific, the so-called El Nino-Southern Oscillation, remained in neutral, as they continue to do. Climate experts say another intense El Nino year, such as in 1998, could challenge even 2013's newly set temperature highs.

Australia's warmth during 2013 extended into spring, with September setting records as the most exceptionally hot month on record. Average maximum temperatures were 3.41 degrees above the long-run average, with South Australia's 5.39 degrees above the norm – a record for any state or territory in any month. The heat was accompanied by early season bushfires, particularly around Sydney in October, and extensive drought across much of Queensland.
Rainfall nationally averaged 428 millimetres, about 37 millimetres below average, for the year.

Capitals, states, world

Aside from Sydney and Melbourne, most other state capitals also had notably hot years.

Canberra and Hobart posted their second warmest years. Perth had its third-warmest year by maximum temperatures, while Darwin and Adelaide had their third-equal warmest. Brisbane, in the midst of a very warm period to start 2014, lagged in 2013 with only its ninth warmest year.

Among the states, NSW had its warmest year, with maximums 1.76 degrees above the long-term average, beating the 1.63 degree anomaly set in 2002, said the bureau's Dr Trewin. By mean temperature, the state was the second warmest on record, behind 2009.

For Victoria, maximum temperatures were 1.3 degrees above normal, placing it third-warmest on records behind the 1.42 degree anomaly set in 2007. Both mean and minimums were also third-highest for the state.
South Australia was exceptional in a remarkable year, with the state setting its highest maximum, mean and minimum temperatures, the bureau said.

Globally, 2013 was the sixth hottest year in records dating back to 1880. No year since 1985 has recorded a below-average global mean temperature reading, and nine of the 10 warmest years have occurred in the past 12 years, the Bureau of Meteorology said.

The bureau also noted that only one year in the last decade was cooler than average, when a strong La Nina weather pattern over the Pacific kept temperatures low in 2011. The average for each of the rolling 10-year periods from 1995-2004 to 2004-2013 have been among the top 10 records, it said.

More to come


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...r-on-record-20140103-308ek.html#ixzz2pHgxsLwo
 
The Bureau of Meteorology on Friday confirmed that last year was the hottest nationwide in more than a century of standardised records, with mean temperatures 1.2 degrees above the 1961-90 average.

Why use the 1961=90 average?? Why not the century average? Does the 33 year Solar 'weather' cycle have some coincidental input into choosing a 30 year slice of a century of records to set an average? Were those years warmer than the rest or cooler?

Also coincidentally and this isn't researched, it's from memory, the 60's was the decade when the heatwaves and cyclones I remember from my youth started to tail off. 100+f in the shade was normal for Christmas in the 50s but it hasn't been since, now it may be returning. Cyclones we expected 3 or 4 times a season also gradually dropped in number and ferocity from the early 60s on. By choosing those decades they're giving themselves a nice low benchmark for comparisons. Just wonderin,' cynically and suspiciously.

Another point to ponder. Were those weather gadgets anywhere approaching close to as accurate as the equipment of today? They couldn't have been electronic wizzardry as the reports states "nationwide" and we didn't have any power in the outback then to run them.

So, the results from mechanical gadgets registering temperatures a century ago being compared to the nano fraction accuracy of modern, electronic, digital equipment. Gee, that sounds legit.

I'm sure those stoic souls who trekked through the dunes and took those measurements out in the Simpson Desert 100 years ago wrote down the results in their little notebooks to .01 of one degree. Or would they simply scribbled 41f.? Or whatever it was on the one day of the year they were actually there to write anything down? But wait... were they there at all?

Was a 'nationwide' average even possible back then? Because those devices weren't really out in the Simpson Desert as they may be today.

They were in the scattered towns which were in the main built in the most survivable parts of the landscape.
In places like Marble Bar 50c+ temps were expected. And like Coober Pedy where the only way to stay alive back in the day was to live underground where most still do. But they can hardly be taken as a 'national average,' they were just hottest places that had thermometers. They don't have the figures from that long ago for everywhere else, and no doubt there are even hotter places where nobody lived or noted temperature records at all.

How long is it since you heard Marble Bar being touted as hottest place in OZ? A long time, because it isn't. They just didn't have records from the hotter ones a century ago.

Always been hot out there, usually, depending on the cycle. There just wasn't the equipment to record it as accurately.
Quoting decimal points of one degree as a 'record' is just plain ludicrous given the data-base.

Back in 1800s there was a thriving town and vast cattle properties around Gawler, it was in a cool cycle and the landscape was grand then, but the cycle changed and now what's left of Gawler sits among the sand dunes.
The whole of Centralia was lush at one time, thousands of years ago, and it's gradually gotten hotter and drier. Who was running the factories and coal fired power stations that dried Lake Mungo up 20,000 years ago??? Didn't taxing their emissions work or something?

But:... the point is... it didn't get that way overnight as we are being told now! It's not something that we caused last week because we forgot to switch the shed light off! It's just an alarmist guilt trip to get public compliance for new tax impositions, and grants funding for the perpetrators.

Climate is a long slow process that is always going on and if it didn't the planet would stagnate. Running headlines screaming 'we're all gonna die' doesn't do a damned thing I can see to change anything except public perceptions.

But why do they want our perceptions changed so desperately? What can 'they' do about solar cycles and planetary climate changes? Tax it?? Gimme a break! If they want to stop CO2 production then ban it! If they, as some posit, just really want to reduce pollution then ban that too. Shut all the factories down, let humanity sit chanting ommmm while they starve and wait patiently to see if that worked.

What the hell benefit is there in alarming the population about something they can do nothing about?
Oh, of course.
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It helps with Greenpeace donations, it sells newspapers, it gets public approval for green technology carpetbaggers, and fatter grants to climate modellers. Oh well that's okay then.
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No Warri, I'm not fighting a facts 'n figures war with you, I'll leave that to DB, not just because f.&fss are unreliable depending on where they're published and how they're 'spun,' but mainly because it just bores everyone and enlightens no none. I'm having fun doing the 'guerilla' thing to the game being played behind the scenes of the facts and figures.
Like everything, there's always more than meets the eye going on. If you want to defend "the science" then go for your life
but keep in mind that we're not arguing over exactly the same thing.

The 'con' is not that the climate is changing. The 'con' is that it's being used, it's consequences exaggerated, it's time frame compressed for instant gratification expectations, and it's figures 'modelled' to hoodwink us into believing that 'they' can do something about it if we all just toe the line behind them and follow their instructions to fill their pockets in the blind faith that only they understand the word of "the science" and can make the right sacrifices to appease the wrathful Climogods.

Just like other 'religions' they have the out that if they fail then that's not their fault, nooooo. Those damned 'climate skeptic' heretics caused it! Let's burn 'em!

They're at it already on the radio, some outraged Greeny is blaming Tony Abbott for the latest 'record temps.' because his sacrifice ritual policy isn't as good as their sacrifice ritual policy was. Seeing neither was implemented to any extent I wonder how she can tell??
Nothing political about all this 'con' at all is there???

Still, they have it easier here, they're battling a bit harder convincing N.Americans that they're in imminent danger of frying in their beds.
 
Why use the 1961=90 average?? Why not the century average? Does the 33 year Solar 'weather' cycle have some coincidental input into choosing a 30 year slice of a century of records to set an average? Were those years warmer than the rest or cooler?

Also coincidentally and this isn't researched, it's from memory, the 60's was the decade when the heatwaves and cyclones I remember from my youth started to tail off. 100+f in the shade was normal for Christmas in the 50s but it hasn't been since, now it may be returning. Cyclones we expected 3 or 4 times a season also gradually dropped in number and ferocity from the early 60s on. By choosing those decades they're giving themselves a nice low benchmark for comparisons. Just wonderin,' cynically and suspiciously.

Why use a 30 year average, starting from 1961? I have no idea but I'll wager London to a brick on that the reason is not that the BOM wants to con you.

I have sourced another graph from my link that shows that the 60s in Australia were not cooler than the decades that preceded them. It shows that the decades 1960 - 1990 were on average slightly hotter than 1911 - 1940 and 1981 - 2010 were hotter still.


Another point to ponder. Were those weather gadgets anywhere approaching close to as accurate as the equipment of today? They couldn't have been electronic wizzardry as the reports states "nationwide" and we didn't have any power in the outback then to run them.

So, the results from mechanical gadgets registering temperatures a century ago being compared to the nano fraction accuracy of modern, electronic, digital equipment. Gee, that sounds legit.

1910 in Australia was not the scientific dark ages. The country, including the outback probably had more people in it than today. One public servant i.e. the postmaster/mistress, station master, bush nursing matron or assay office manager, was perfectly able to use a mercury thermometer, a wet and dry thermometer, a rain gauge and an aneroid barometer with minimal training. These instruments did not need batteries and had no moving parts to speak of and as such were perfectly capable of producing precise and consistent readings for decades.

I'm sure those stoic souls who trekked through the dunes and took those measurements out in the Simpson Desert 100 years ago wrote down the results in their little notebooks to .01 of one degree. Or would they simply scribbled 41f.? Or whatever it was on the one day of the year they were actually there to write anything down? But wait... were they there at all?

Get real, readings would only have been taken where there was some kind of permanent population, however small, such as a telegraph relay station, or a homestead.

Was a 'nationwide' average even possible back then? Because those devices weren't really out in the Simpson Desert as they may be today.

The Overland Telegraph was completed in 1872 and it traversed the centre of the country from Port Augusta to Darwin and covered a lot of desert country. There were relay stations all along the line. In any case, the reasons why averages and medians are used is because the outliers are less likely to skew the overall picture. It doesn't really matter whether each sample has exactly the same number of readings provided the sample is big enough and representative enough of the overall data set. So, if today we have more stations, or automated systems, we can still look at past results and see significant trends in the data.


Back in 1800s there was a thriving town and vast cattle properties around Gawler, it was in a cool cycle and the landscape was grand then, but the cycle changed and now what's left of Gawler sits among the sand dunes.
You do know that sand dunes travel, according to the prevailing winds?

The whole of Centralia was lush at one time, thousands of years ago, and it's gradually gotten hotter and drier. Who was running the factories and coal fired power stations that dried Lake Mungo up 20,000 years ago??? Didn't taxing their emissions work or something?

But:... the point is... it didn't get that way overnight as we are being told now! It's not something that we caused last week because we forgot to switch the shed light off! It's just an alarmist guilt trip to get public compliance for new tax impositions, and grants funding for the perpetrators.

Climate is a long slow process that is always going on and if it didn't the planet would stagnate. Running headlines screaming 'we're all gonna die' doesn't do a damned thing I can see to change anything except public perceptions.
Agreed. Natural climate change is generally a slow process although some processes are more immediate such as the failure of Summer after big volcanic eruptions or big meteor strikes. Localised effects caused by soil erosion are slower but still visible within human time scales. You don't need sophisticated techniques to observe and measure the retreat of glaciers. It can be seen by comparing photographs over the past hundred years.

But why do they want our perceptions changed so desperately? What can 'they' do about solar cycles and planetary climate changes?

Nothing. We don't control the sun, or the tilt of the earth's axis, nor the behaviour of volcanoes

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

but we do have choices we can make with respect of our sources of energy and how greedily we use up non renewable resources of all kinds. Economic and lifestyle choices.

If they want to stop CO2 production then ban it! If they, as some posit, just really want to reduce pollution then ban that too. Shut all the factories down, let humanity sit chanting ommmm while they starve and wait patiently to see if that worked.

Now you are just being silly. It's not about banning everything. It is about finding the right balance. This will require trial, error and adjustment on a global scale. We have to play our part, so does the rest of the world. As the old proverb goes:
Every little bit helps, said the old woman as she peed in the sea

What the hell benefit is there in alarming the population about something they can do nothing about?
Oh, of course.
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It helps with Greenpeace donations, it sells newspapers, it gets public approval for green technology carpetbaggers, and fatter grants to climate modellers. Oh well that's okay then.
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What is the benefit of doing nothing?

No Warri, I'm not fighting a facts 'n figures war with you, I'll leave that to DB, not just because f.&fss are unreliable depending on where they're published and how they're 'spun,' but mainly because it just bores everyone and enlightens no none. I'm having fun doing the 'guerilla' thing to the game being played behind the scenes of the facts and figures. Like everything, there's always more than meets the eye going on. If you want to defend "the science" then go for your life but keep in mind that we're not arguing over exactly the same thing.
Correct. Mostly the argument is about political positions.

The 'con' is not that the climate is changing.
The 'con' is that it's being used, it's consequences exaggerated, it's time frame compressed for instant gratification expectations, and it's figures 'modelled' to hoodwink us into believing that 'they' can do something about it if we all just toe the line behind them and follow their instructions to fill their pockets in the blind faith that only they understand the word of "the science" and can make the right sacrifices to appease the wrathful Climogods.

Just like other 'religions' they have the out that if they fail then that's not their fault, nooooo. Those damned 'climate skeptic' heretics caused it! Let's burn 'em!

They're at it already on the radio, some outraged Greeny is blaming Tony Abbott for the latest 'record temps.' because his sacrifice ritual policy isn't as good as their sacrifice ritual policy was. Seeing neither was implemented to any extent I wonder how she can tell??
Nothing political about all this 'con' at all is there???
I just said that, didn't I?

Still, they have it easier here, they're battling a bit harder convincing N.Americans that they're in imminent danger of frying in their beds.
Paradoxically, warmer oceans tend to produce more evaporation and more precipitation. Precipitation can be in the form of snow and hail as well rain. America is not as flat as Australia. The consequences of global warming will look different on each continent. For America perhaps more tornadoes and more Hurricane Sandys as well as more blizzards. For us, maybe more intense El Ninos and La Ninas and more frequent and more extensive bushfires and longer droughts.

God grant us the wisdom to decide whether we can and should act, or not. And the courage to do what we must.
 


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