For ostracizing an entire group of people for not following government narrative. This should have been a health decision and everyone is different so one size does not fit all. This should have been respected. It wasn't.
For the unvaccinated for covid 19. A short question.
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HermitHogan
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The "government narrative" from one side of the aisle was that vaccines and mask recommendations (and in some cases, requirements), were just to make people afraid and were used to control people.
The scientific and medical community's narrative was that vaccinations, wearing masks, and social distancing save lives.
So, you can either get your science from the government or you can get it from doctors and scientists.
Dave03
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Ah. So, a public apology from everyone that got vaccinated? Would that make everyone feel better?
Can the people who were scoffed at and ostracized for getting the vaccine expect the same apology from the people who didn't? Or is it just a one way thing?
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Tazx
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Ah there is a difference. You were not banned from society because you made a choice. We were. So a huge difference. Yes maybe some laughed at you, made fun of you and so on. But the othere side lost jobs, banned from travel, restaurants, gyms, planes, trains etc.
You are talking apples and oranges.
Tazx
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Sorry, but what happened to us was bullying. What happened to you?
Dave03
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I've no doubt some people were bullied for not getting vaxxed.
There were also people who were bullied for getting vaxxed.
I'm sorry you were bullied. Feel better?
Dave03
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There is not a single person who was 'banned from society'.
The people who weren't allowed in certain places created that situation themselves by not following the guidelines of vaccination.
They have no one to blame but themselves.
HermitHogan
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HermitHogan
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People were told by a certain segment of the government and their cable news channel that they were "banned from society" and "ostracized," so that's what they believe.
John cycling
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If so, that was YOUR CHOICE to be bullied by all of the bogus propaganda about imaginary viruses to get clot shoes.
You are the one who CHOSE to have the toxic substances injected into your body.
You were not threatened with loss of income, prevented from shopping for food, and prevented from traveling,
because you CHOSE to comply with the orders to choke and poison yourself.
If the clot shots contained Roundup and Plutonium, you would have likely have done the same thing, and maybe they did.
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Dave03
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All propaganda and conspiracy theories aside, you're exactly right. It was a choice. Same as you. And I lived with the consequences.
Thank you.
Yes. Thank you.
Axel Slingerland
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I would love to... But while I can ride my bike ok, walking is another matter.
Back in 1994 I fell and gave myself this bad case of Cervical Stenosis and Myelopathy. Cervical stenosis is a narrowing of the spinal canal in the neck, while Myelopathy is the neurological damage that can result from that narrowing. That causes massive pain at times, that moves back and forth in my shoulders, arms and hands. I never know what is going to hurt form one day to the next.
So I get Occipital Nerve Blocks to block some of that pain. (Two days to go for the next one!) Other things it causes are my balance is seriously wonky, and I can't walk a strait line. I have put myself in the hospital after slamming into things, and that is most annoying. So I have to have a walker or wheelchair for more that 5 or 6 steps. I prefer the wheelchair as it gives somewhere to sit.
That of course would make a cross country bike trip unless someone went with me. All I wanted to do was ride from Eureka down to Clear Lake, out to Fort Bragg and then back to Eureka. A total of about 450 miles, but with my usual side trips I said 500. It would have been a great ride.
But nobody wanted to go.
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Tazx
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Yeah the Prime Minister and Presidents said it on live tv. If you don't remember any of that, then the shot is working!!
Tazx
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Yep sure am! Nice attempt at diversion though.
CooCooforCoCoPuffs
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"Social mistreatment".
Never heard this term until today! Sounds like an invented sociopolitical landmine.
Anyone who "socially mistreats" me is stupid or mentally defunct.
I don't hang with stupid people: relative or not.
Never heard this term until today! Sounds like an invented sociopolitical landmine.
Anyone who "socially mistreats" me is stupid or mentally defunct.
I don't hang with stupid people: relative or not.
CooCooforCoCoPuffs
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BOTH sides got ostracized IMHO, not just ONE entire group.
I cannot agree with you MORE that immunizations are a PERSONAL health decision and that personal decision was not respected by SOME on either side of this ad nauseam argument.
I have an opinion as to why this divide happened but that is a Public Health viewpoint and technical.
Tazx
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I think many people have opinions on why the divide happened.
No, no, that is crazy talk. I know you want to have a reason to blame yourself for Cindy's death but try something else. It was definitely not your fault. I know I can't convince you, I wish I could. I'm so sorry you are suffering this way...........I carry guilt from my husband's sudden death, could I have seen more, done more, known more.........it leads no where. It's not even true. No, you are not responsible for Cindy's death, you are not.
Cornhusker
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I resisted the vax for a long time, mostly because of the people who were pushing it were people we've learned not to trust.
If the government hadn't tried to run scare tactics and, in some cases, mandates, I think people would have been more receptive.
My daughter and my brother nagged me until I got the one and done shot.
10 days later I had Covid, so I'm not sure the shot was worth all the possible ill effects that show up in some people.
If you got vaxed, good for you.
If you didn't get vaxed, good for you.
If the government hadn't tried to run scare tactics and, in some cases, mandates, I think people would have been more receptive.
My daughter and my brother nagged me until I got the one and done shot.
10 days later I had Covid, so I'm not sure the shot was worth all the possible ill effects that show up in some people.
If you got vaxed, good for you.
If you didn't get vaxed, good for you.
Oh you poor babies. Back in the 1930's when tuberculosis was rampant, infected people were sent to sanitoriums whether they wanted to go or not. This was before welfare and social security so when a family man was sent away, there went the sole breadwinner.
Yet almost everyone agreed it was worth the sacrifice to get a deadly disease under control and you know what? It worked. It went from the great white death to something rare in America. Back then people knew what it meant to sacrifice for the greater good. Now they can't quit whining about not being able to go to restaurants and gyms for a while.
When are we going to get an apology from the stubborn Americans who thought they knew more that the top epidemiologists in the country and so made the disease more widespread and longer lasting than it had to be?
It was not respected because they tried to make it all political which it never should have been, And it wasn't true that people on either side of the divide behaved in a proscribed manner. I didn't.