For the unvaccinated for covid 19. A short question.

Pepper said:
No, no, that is crazy talk.
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If I wanted to blame someone for C's death, it could be the homeless guy who mugged her in 1999, and started her health decline. But he "wasn't all there" and I can't blame him for that. Or maybe St. Joes Hospital in Eureka who always sent her home before she should have been when her health required a hospital stay, or the county health department who said on the news that the pandemic was over in Humboldt County and we didn't need to wear masks anymore, or the girl on the bus I got Covid from, as she was coughing and sneezing and not making any effort at all to contain her germs.

I could blame them all. But what good would it do? What I said was a simple statement of fact. It was my choice to not wear a mask, when I should have. So if I wanted to blame someone, which I don't, I'd have plenty of choices... I'm sorry if it appeared I was phishing for sympathy. I dealt with that guilt last year. And today is my birthday and I turned 69. To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised I have outlived my parents and all of my brothers and sisters, specially since I was the youngest. But I'm still kickin'... :)
 

Della said:
Oh you poor babies. Back in the 1930's when tuberculosis was rampant, infected people were sent to sanitoriums whether they wanted to go or not. This was before welfare and social security so when a family man was sent away, there went the sole breadwinner.

Yet almost everyone agreed it was worth the sacrifice to get a deadly disease under control and you know what? It worked. It went from the great white death to something rare in America. Back then people knew what it meant to sacrifice for the greater good. Now they can't quit whining about not being able to go to restaurants and gyms for a while.

When are we going to get an apology from the stubborn Americans who thought they knew more that the top epidemiologists in the country and so made the disease more widespread and longer lasting than it had to be?
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You'll get your apology when you admit Covid was not a pandemic, and that the shots were useless.

Tuberculosis still exists today. It wasn't an issue then and it isn't one now.

Is it hard to be afraid of everything in the world? How do you live day to day being scared of everything and falling for everything?
 

Tazx said:
You'll get your apology when you admit Covid was not a pandemic, and that the shots were useless.

Tuberculosis still exists today. It wasn't an issue then and it isn't one now.

Is it hard to be afraid of everything in the world? How do you live day to day being scared of everything and falling for everything?
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The shots made a big difference. They didn't keep all people from getting Covid but they lessened the impact so that far fewer people died when they did get it.

I know TB still exists today that's why I called it "rare." The definition of rare is "not occurring very often," which assumes it does exist.

TB certainly was an issue in the past, it was one of the leading causes of death up until the 1920's when the sanitoriums and forced x-rays started taking place.

What would make you think that people who take health precautions are scared? Not smoking, using seat belts, getting vaccinations are things sensible people just do, it has nothing to do with fear.

{For the sake of argument lets say you're right and the experts were wrong, there was no such thing as Covid, it was just the flu and the shots were useless and all the people who died really had some other reason. The people who listened to the experts and wore masks and got vaccinated still wouldn't owe anyone an apology because they would have been cooperating with the best knowledge and advice at the time.}
 
Axel Slingerland said:
If I wanted to blame someone for C's death, it could be the homeless guy who mugged her in 1999, and started her health decline. But he "wasn't all there" and I can't blame him for that. Or maybe St. Joes Hospital in Eureka who always sent her home before she should have been when her health dayrequired a hospital stay, or the county health department who said on the news that the pandemic was over in Humboldt County and we didn't need to wear masks anymore, or the girl on the bus I got Covid from, as she was coughing and sneezing and not making any effort at all to contain her germs.

I could blame them all. But what good would it do? What I said was a simple statement of fact. It was my choice to not wear a mask, when I should have. So if I wanted to blame someone, which I don't, I'd have plenty of choices... I'm sorry if it appeared I was phishing for sympathy. I dealt with that guilt last year. And today is my birthday and I turned 69. To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised I have outlived my parents and all of my brothers and sisters, specially since I was the youngest. But I'm still kickin'... :)
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Happy belated birthday!

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I didn't get the vaccine and don't feel I'm owed an apology. Time has proved I made the right decision for me. My sister really wanted me to but she would've never shunned anyone unvaxxed because she felt protected by her vaccine though it turns out we wound up with about the same degree of illness.

I did, however, shelter in place and wear true N95s when I had to go out for the first two variants and still feel that was the right decision.
 
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Cornhusker said:
I resisted the vax for a long time, mostly because of the people who were pushing it were people we've learned not to trust.
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The absolute best thing that came from the whole vaccination hoopla imo is that it lessened public trust in pharmaceutical companies. I've been tired of their biased research and spiel for years as a practitioner and am glad many in the general public had their eyes opened.
 
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Tazx said:
Yeah the Prime Minister and Presidents said it on live tv. If you don't remember any of that, then the shot is working!!
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I do not recall the Australian PM or any of the state premiers saying anything of the sort on live TV. What actually happened is that the Commonwealth and the state ministers for health formed a national cabinet to keep the public informed about Covid and necessary precautions. They did this before any vaccine was available in Australia and continued the process until the pandemic subsided.

Some people were medically unable to receive the vaccine and were more vulnerable to infection than others. The vaccinated reduced the risk of infection spreading and lowered the risk that vulnerable people might get sick and die. Before the vaccine did arrive, hospitals were overwhelmed by people with severe respiratory conditions. There were not enough ventilators for every patient. They were using CPAC machines for some patients and taking hopeless cases off the ventilators to give to people with a better chance of surviving.

Young children were not vaccinated*for COVID because they tended to be less affected by the virus, but they became vectors for the spread of the disease to adults, including family members, teachers and child care workers. Unvaccinated teachers and child care workers were suspended from duty, partly to protect the children and partly to protect themselves. They received income support. That was not a punishment - it was a precaution, necessary until the pandemic was brought under control.

When I visit my GP (General practitioner) I am still required to wear a mask when I enter the building. It's not about COVID anymore. It is a measure of protection for the doctors, other staff and everyone in the waiting room. This is what public health is all about - limiting the spread of diseases for everyone. It doesn't mean that no-one gets sick. It means that less people become infected and pass it on to others.
 
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Tazx said:
You'll get your apology when you admit Covid was not a pandemic, and that the shots were useless.

Tuberculosis still exists today. It wasn't an issue then and it isn't one now.
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Tuberculosis was very much an issue when I was a child. My grandfather had it. He was first infected as a young man but it was not diagnosed then. When he was an old man, Xrays revealed that the scars on his lungs had opened and the bacterium had reactivated. By then, TB sanitoriums were no longer necessary and he stayed home and was looked after by my aunts. The medications in post war Australia were effective in rendering the patient non infectious in a couple of weeks.

Public health measures in place then meant that all family members in contact with Pop, including children, were subject to skin tests. A positive result meant that you either were infected, or had been exposed, but the immune system had defeated the infection. Those of us who were negative were vaccinated as a precaution.

Mobile Xray vans went around the suburbs offering free X rays but these were not mandatory for everyone. When I was in my final year at Teachers' College (1962) I was required to have a chest Xray if I wanted a position in a government school.

Today, TB in Australia is practically non existent, although occasionally someone enters the country with the disease. What was once a pandemic is now just another infectious disease that is not ravaging whole countries as it did 100 years ago. Medical science is to be thanked for this outcome.
 
John cycling said:
If so, that was YOUR CHOICE to be bullied by all of the bogus propaganda about imaginary viruses to get clot shoes.
You are the one who CHOSE to have the toxic substances injected into your body.

You were not threatened with loss of income, prevented from shopping for food, and prevented from traveling,
because you CHOSE to comply with the orders to choke and poison yourself.

If the clot shots contained Roundup and Plutonium, you would have likely have done the same thing, and maybe they did.
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Whoa @John cycling. You missed the POINT entirely! Seems you can't see through some anger? Hence sarcasm and attacking.
 
chic said:
It was not respected because they tried to make it all political which it never should have been, And it wasn't true that people on either side of the divide behaved in a proscribed manner. I didn't. :unsure:
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Didn't say you did.
I was not referencing how anyone "acted" toward "some" others (meaning I was saying not you perhaps, but some others in the general population) on BOTH sides who clearly did shove their philosophy on who either did or did not choose to be immunized against Covid.

What are you saying when you wrote "I didn't" @chic? You didn't "what": knock or berate those who did or did not get the Covid immunization?

And "It was not respected because they tried to make it all political which it never should have been," Who do you mean by "they"? The govt OR others who knocked a personal choice either way??

I think we are on the same sheet of music but can't tell so am asking for clarification?

As I mentioned, I have an opinion from a professional medical public health standpoint of what went wrong, how it got politicized and created division; but hind sight is 20/20. I honestly don't think we will ever see this past response to a pandemic play out as it did in the US again in the next 250 years. It is a lesson HARD earned and well learned; will be remembered a LONG time. EVERYone suffered in one way or another, a trauma by the 2019-2023 event.

We all need to learn from it and move on; believe that it won't happen that way again.

ALL people need to let go of past COVID brain baggage, as negative mind baggage fogs the future, outside the learning curve of experiences.
 
Warrigal said:
Today, TB in Australia is practically non existent, although occasionally someone enters the country with the disease. What was once a pandemic is now just another infectious disease that is not ravaging whole countries as it did 100 years ago. Medical science is to be thanked for this outcome.
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I love the TB story. It gives me hope that other diseases can be controlled or cured.

When we came back from being stationed in England In 1993, the U.S. Air Force gave us all TB skin tests and I failed mine with a great big lump on my arm. Since then I've been required by public health to have a chest x-ray every two years. It never occurred to me to be angry about that, even though I know x-rays in themselves can be dangerous. Some precautions benefit all of us.
 
Della said:
Since then I've been required by public health to have a chest x-ray every two years.
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Not to derail this thread but I have to ask since you used the word "required". What will happen if you don't comply? What specific "public health" organization has jurisdiction to issue such a judgement and enforce it?
 
Can't answer for @Della, but I worked as a hospital RN. We were TB skin tested every year. If you had a positive skin test, a negative chest x-ray was required before you could return to work. It was done on premises, took maybe 15 minutes. Not enough nurses so they were quick about it, at least where I worked.
 
C50 said:
Not to derail this thread but I have to ask since you used the word "required". What will happen if you don't comply? What specific "public health" organization has jurisdiction to issue such a judgement and enforce it?
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Good Question. I may soon find out since it's been about six years since I had one and that was only because I was in the hospital with Covid.
The Air Force nurses told me I was required to do that when it was first discovered, but no one ever seemed to be checking dates when I went in for one. I expect they don't really check up on people who don't keep up with it and it would probably only be an issue if, like GoodEnuff I was working in the health or food industry. (?)
 
Della said:
The shots made a big difference. They didn't keep all people from getting Covid but they lessened the impact so that far fewer people died when they did get it.
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Well, in that case I'm glad I had shots. Because 96 days in three different hospitals, two weeks in a coma, Afib, missing my Occipital Nerve Blocks, and being tied to hospital beds by probe wires and an O2 line, and being given a bath in bed once a week could have been longer? Oh Heaven forbid!

But on the other hand, all the CNAs and Nurses waiting on me all the time wasn't so bad.
 
My Wife has a home office & Her Company was required to get employees stabbed.
I naturally also got several stabs. The Noro Virus got me last spring. Think the Fish
dinner is where I caught it at a Restaurant place & playing pool with the family kids.
The Area has a tremendous River Barge Traffic volume flow. U mostly feel Misérables!

I sort of thought closing everything up, MT Parking lots in a Huge City Counties areas,
Was mostly Old People SCAT. Not to mention exactly who. I never received the 2 nd check.
 
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Della said:
I love the TB story. It gives me hope that other diseases can be controlled or cured.

When we came back from being stationed in England In 1993, the U.S. Air Force gave us all TB skin tests and I failed mine with a great big lump on my arm. Since then I've been required by public health to have a chest x-ray every two years. It never occurred to me to be angry about that, even though I know x-rays in themselves can be dangerous. Some precautions benefit all of us.
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What public health has REQUIRED you to do x-rays every two years? To be in the military service they may require it every two years due to being in close quarters with other military members; but TMK no public health in US requires such x-rays screen.
 
In my neck of the woods the unvaxxed couldn't get a hair cut , sit in a coffee shop or restaurant , shop in the big stores , swimming at the local pool and many more things we couldn't do.

Then the worst thing happened , the Government stuck a gun to everyones head and said , take this experimental vaccine or loose your job.

And if you became a protester protesting the mandate , then they would shoot you with rubber bullets , bash you and they even jailed some.
I suppose we shouldn't blame them , I mean the human race was at stake and everybody was going to die...( rolls eyes )


30 second vid.

Australian Police Brutality for Your Health
 
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That's so sad, Old Medic. These days it's more likely politics blowing up families, but I guess some of us will go to our graves mad about vaccinations.
I have a little group of 4 friends who go to lunch once a month. Last month someone couldn't resist saying something about politics, and in a matter of seconds, it ruined what was supposed to be an especially happy day.
 
When Covid first started, I got it. At first, we thought I had a 1st rate sinus infection. Well, I did for that is where it hit me. I was given an antibiotic and my immune system went into overdrive.

Sick? Fevers of 104+ for a couple of days, to the point where my body was twitching involuntarily. The nurse asked me if I wanted to go to the hospital and I told her, no way, as it was full of germs over there. How's that for irony? Then she asked me if I wanted to be tested for Covid? What? Of course I did. 3 people had already died.

So, I was tested. The day after the test, I felt like a million dollars. Fever broke and I was raring to go. So typical of me. The downside? My test came back positive, so quarantine was still in place. An Epidemiologist came every day to take my antibodies as they did not know how to treat it and were working on a vaccine.

After the vaccine came out, I took one Pfizer and got sick all over again for a day or two. Last time I took it. My pharmacist told me it was a scam and not to take it ever. I listened and have been fine.

All in all we had 5 deaths, which was very low in our state.
 

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