Four Dead In Georgia High Schoo Shooting

Paladin1950 said:
Here we go again. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. The truth: People with guns kill people. We're sorry for your loss, but if I want to be re-elected, I have to vote against stricter gun laws and the banning of assault weapons.
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Right you are and we should be regulating who uses them at least as carefully as we with cars.
 

Alizerine said:
So tired of this. Soon everyone will be able to say I never thought it would happen here.
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I hadn't been in a school in a half century, until I took a night painting class at the local college. The first thing I saw was signs about what to do when there's "an active shooter". As kids, we never had that fear, now kids have to live with that on a daily basis. I was overwhelmed. It could happen here.
 
Della said:
There are 1800 kids in the Apalachee school. I think these huge consolidated schools are part of the problem. It would be so easy to feel lost and insignificant in them.
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Could be although went to a high school where the average graduating class had about 1,000 students. Throw under classmen probably 3,000 on the grounds in the system for what ever program. No mass shooter but criminals yes.

Talked to people who went to private school and they couldn't believe some classes had 30 plus students. I think they said their biggest class had 13 people in it.

There's a lot of could've or should'ves here but to me without more detail how was the killer allowed in the halls with no pass. He should've been treated as an unauthorized visitor and tossed out the door after some questioning by police and school officials.
 
WhatInThe said:
There's a lot of could've or should'ves here but to me without more detail how was the killer allowed in the halls with no pass. He should've been treated as an unauthorized visitor and tossed out the door after some questioning by police and school officials.
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I don't know anything about hall passes, but in this school the classroom doors automatically locked toward the end of class. The shooter returned to the classroom about 20-30 minutes later and the door was locked. A fellow student went to the door to let him in, saw the gun, and didn't open the door. At that point the teacher pushed her micro-chip alarm which alerted the police to an active shooter situation. They were there very quickly.

Sounds to me like the school was doing it's best and the numbers could have been far worse than they were.
 
In our USA as in many other nations of this world, there are and have always been minor numbers of psychologically and mentally flawed adults and children that hate many others. A few are so for genetic reasons while the majority have become so from their environment, aberrant learning, actions of others, and their own choices. A small percentage of which given opportunity, may commit horrible crimes against those they hate and or the general population.

There are also psychopath criminals that have developed general hatred for others and given opportunity will commit horrible crimes against those they hate and or the general population. And there and maniacs with power in rogue nations that likewise might commit horrible crimes against the world if given a chance. Not all such humans are logically crazy or have clinical mental issues but have simply become evil with twisted dog eat dog attitudes.

Many have become so due to the competitive, unfair, media corrupt, economic driven world we live in where there are many that are not successful. Society needs to protect the rest of us from some of those humans and that includes for the worst, possibly permanent physical isolation from the rest of us. Some may eventually be rehabilitated while significant numbers of others may never.

Hypothetically I would expect, if each one of us had a magic button that could vaporize ten others without evidence they did so, thus without fear of identification or punishment, large numbers of innocent humans would disappear in a short time. That reflects the moral nature of our modern much overpopulated telecom science era world towards a decreasing value of other humans and human life.
 
Della said:
I don't know anything about hall passes, but in this school the classroom doors automatically locked toward the end of class. The shooter returned to the classroom about 20-30 minutes later and the door was locked. A fellow student went to the door to let him in, saw the gun, and didn't open the door. At that point the teacher pushed her micro-chip alarm which alerted the police to an active shooter situation. They were there very quickly.

Sounds to me like the school was doing it's best and the numbers could have been far worse than they were.
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The reaction was good I was just thinking if the killer was stopped going to where he had/hid the rifle. If a student or stranger is walking the halls when class is in session they should be challenged
 
David777 said:
Many have become so due to the competitive, unfair, media corrupt, economic driven world we live in where there are many that are not successful.
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Yes. While you were writing that I was reading that the next season of "Dancing With the Stars," is going to feature a young criminal who is famous only for larceny and theft.
 
///////clearly mental issues here and poor parental supervision of the suspected unlocked gun closet.

So the Crazy kid could have stolen the family truckster and mowed down a bunch leaving school. Crazy is just plain nutz.
Remember the guy driving a tank and crushing stuff all over downtown. Sure more families ruined by Mental issues.
 
911 said:
If I read the article correctly, the kid used an AR-15. The AR-15 includes a 30-round magazine. It’s, possible, he carried a second magazine.

For less than $10, the parents or guardians could have bought a trigger lock and kept it on the rifle, regardless if it was owned by the parents or given to the kid. If they gave it to the kid, they would most likely be held for criminal charges in PA.

It’s also likely, the parents will be held liable in civil court and they most likely would face criminal penalties here in PA. I don’t have any information on Georgia laws regarding what parents can be held responsible for concerning firearms.

PA is pretty strict with firearms in the hands of minors, which are those persons under the age of 18.
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Apparently the father gave the kid the gun for Christmas! Why did he give a 14 year old a gun that is only meant for killing people, not a hunting rifle?
 
mrstime said:
Apparently the father gave the kid the gun for Christmas! Why did he give a 14 year old a gun that is only meant for killing people, not a hunting rifle?
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Plus the two of them, son and father, were interviewed by authorities when the boy was 13... because the kid had been suspected or known to have made some sort of threat. The Dad said he'd taught his son to use a rifle for hunting, and that the rifles in the home were kept unloaded, and that the boy had no access to ammunition in the home.

The dad obviously acted irresponsibly and stupidly. But I wonder if, under Georgia law, the dad could be considered as an accessory.
 
mrstime said:
Apparently the father gave the kid the gun for Christmas! Why did he give a 14 year old a gun that is only meant for killing people, not a hunting rifle?
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Reminds me of when I got my first gun. I was 15 at the time.

It was a Remington model 514 single shot .22 that my mother got me for Christmas with six books of S&H green stamps.

That's the kind of gun you should be starting your kid out on. I bought one like that for my kids and taught them to shoot on it. And a couple of years ago I bought a similar gun for my son to teach his kids, my grand kids on.

 
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Trade said:
Reminds me of when I got my first gun. I was 15 at the time.

It was a Remington model 514 single shot .22 that my mother got me for Christmas with six books of S&H green stamps.
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Yes, I had a similar experience as a boy. My father taught my brother and me to shoot with it. I never felt any impulse to use it or any other gun to shoot a person. My dad had a hot-temper issue that his wife & kids recognized, but he also did not seem to want to shoot anybody.
 
mrstime said:
Apparently the father gave the kid the gun for Christmas! Why did he give a 14 year old a gun that is only meant for killing people, not a hunting rifle?
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Good point. I tried out an AR rifle that a relative had and considered using it for deer hunting. I found it to be inaccurate for long shots with a caliber a bit too small for large game but too big for small game.
 
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