Born_To_Lose
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It’s usually up to the Prosecutor. Murder is usually a Class 1 felony in most states, so that’s how the child gets to be charged in adult court.
Four Dead In Georgia High Schoo Shooting
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It's done probably not often enough. His lawyers will challenge it. In wether a juvenile or adult the defense will push for incompetence or mentally unfit for trial then an insanity defense will come next.
Also just read a report the suspected killer went to school this morning and walked out of algebra class about 1/2 hour before the shooting without a pass. The student who saw him said he was quiet and cut class alot.
Lara
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I did not mention any party affiliation.
I did not mention any politician's names.
I did not assign blame to anyone.
I did not mention any enemies nor anyone by name.
As I said before, I only mentioned what the children are seeing while answering these 2 questions...
1. "What the heck can trigger someone not even a month into the school year?" (by WhatinThe)
2. "What the hell is happening to the US??" (by GoneFishin)
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Harry Le Hermit
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It appears the FBI had contacted the Georgia authorities about this "adult" about one year ago. However, there was no evidence to bring charges, etc. It does not actually say this was today's shooter, but the timing of the announcement is peculiar. Also and obviously... no one was doing that continued monitoring.
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@Lara, nice try at throwing up a smokescreen, after your post got deleted.
Between this and apparent class cutting he shouldn't have been in a public school. May be sometime in a more rigid environment would've straighten him out.
I'm sure they FBI gets a lot of threats to investigate that amount to nothing but there was more with this kid that merited further investigation and/or follow ups.
True, kids are being programmed to behave in violent ways via all the factors you mentioned. Then then adults claim to be puzzled over their behavior. Shame on them!
Harry Le Hermit
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While I would like to find fault with the FBI, they did their job in this, or in my opinion. Which may account for the speed in that statement. They are saying they warned the local authorities, so keep their nose out of the blame game.
Also, that claim of no unsupervised access does not look like the father... will escape unscathed, imho.
Harry Le Hermit
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You've used politically and political in one post. Tread lightly
(joke)There are some people quite quick to report. You will notice that some do have the ability to step right up to the boundary and escape any recriminations.
Welcome. It's pretty self explanatory. Post and comment on THIS story and not what aboutisms or what if's which usually wind up trying to slam a political party or politician.
For example cutting class as this suspect apparently did is not political could say schools are too lenient or don't know what they're doing. If you get too hung up on the what if 'more funding had been diverted to delinquency programs' that will devolve into a political argument. Just like Joe Friday from Dragnet-just the facts and issue on THIS or THE story.
Alizerine
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When we lived in CT we had friends in Sandy Hook. Now I'm in Atlanta and Winder is only 50 miles away. I was thinking how many people around the country are touched by these tragedies and definitely not in a good way.That could be interpreted two ways though.
There are 1800 kids in the Apalachee school. I think these huge consolidated schools are part of the problem. It would be so easy to feel lost and insignificant in them.
My husband and I drove by one while it was being built, looking like a prison. I happened to remark, "When I was in eighth grade I think I came home and cried every day." Without thinking, my tough, military husband replied, "Me too." And we both came from happy, two parent, middle class homes. We had friends.
Fourteen year-olds are all crazy. Their hormones are up and down, giggling hysterically one minute and sobbing over a chance remark the next. It sounds like this boy was having more trouble than most for several years.
Wouldn't you think if the FBI called you and your child in over threats and pictures of guns you would get rid of your guns?
I don't like trying kids as adults, whatever the crime. There are good reasons for juvenile courts and it's because we recognize that someone too young to drive or live alone isn't ready for adult responsibilities or important decisions. We protect children from their own bad impulses. We don't let them play dangerous games or go skating on thin ice, we don't let their fights with siblings go too far.
We understand that their brains are different before they're fully grown. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions. What adolescents do is based more on immediate emotion and less on predicted consequences.
My husband and I drove by one while it was being built, looking like a prison. I happened to remark, "When I was in eighth grade I think I came home and cried every day." Without thinking, my tough, military husband replied, "Me too." And we both came from happy, two parent, middle class homes. We had friends.
Fourteen year-olds are all crazy. Their hormones are up and down, giggling hysterically one minute and sobbing over a chance remark the next. It sounds like this boy was having more trouble than most for several years.
Wouldn't you think if the FBI called you and your child in over threats and pictures of guns you would get rid of your guns?
I don't like trying kids as adults, whatever the crime. There are good reasons for juvenile courts and it's because we recognize that someone too young to drive or live alone isn't ready for adult responsibilities or important decisions. We protect children from their own bad impulses. We don't let them play dangerous games or go skating on thin ice, we don't let their fights with siblings go too far.
We understand that their brains are different before they're fully grown. The part of the brain behind the forehead, called the prefrontal cortex, is one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions. What adolescents do is based more on immediate emotion and less on predicted consequences.
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In all honesty it seems dependent on which way it leans. I personally have distant relatives that go to that school, haven't heard back from my cousin yet.
As Paladin said.... It didn't happen back when we were young.... and yet there were guns available in most of the school parking lots. So what changed???? Violence is real problem, its a mental thing. The gun is a just tool. And one I prefer to have.
But fear is also a tool... and can be used by the media. This story is horrific, but proves my point.... its all over, But these got no national coverage.
MSN 4 murdered on train in Chicago
MSN multiple shot outside school reunion in Clevland
I know, but I'm not allowed to tell you.According to the article >
The US has suffered at least 385 mass shootings so far this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive
What the hell is happening to the US????
May the dead rest in peace, my condolences to their parents and families. To those who were lucky enough to just be wounded, may they heal completely both physically and emotionally.
I'm not against guns in general, there are many responsible gun owners in America who are law abiding. I'm against gun nutters, the people who commit most of these mass shootings, and when the killer is a teen, then the nut doesn't fall far from the tree. Usually has at least one gun nutter parent who instead of owning a firearm for protection or sport, they have an ongoing love affair with their guns and have a paranoid mentality.
I haven't heard all the details yet on this young killer or his family, will check out the news today for updates.
I'm not against guns in general, there are many responsible gun owners in America who are law abiding. I'm against gun nutters, the people who commit most of these mass shootings, and when the killer is a teen, then the nut doesn't fall far from the tree. Usually has at least one gun nutter parent who instead of owning a firearm for protection or sport, they have an ongoing love affair with their guns and have a paranoid mentality.
I haven't heard all the details yet on this young killer or his family, will check out the news today for updates.
Certain people with loud microphones inciting hate and violence for years, lot of gullible morons eating it up.
If I read the article correctly, the kid used an AR-15. The AR-15 includes a 30-round magazine. It’s, possible, he carried a second magazine.
For less than $10, the parents or guardians could have bought a trigger lock and kept it on the rifle, regardless if it was owned by the parents or given to the kid. If they gave it to the kid, they would most likely be held for criminal charges in PA.
It’s also likely, the parents will be held liable in civil court and they most likely would face criminal penalties here in PA. I don’t have any information on Georgia laws regarding what parents can be held responsible for concerning firearms.
PA is pretty strict with firearms in the hands of minors, which are those persons under the age of 18.
For less than $10, the parents or guardians could have bought a trigger lock and kept it on the rifle, regardless if it was owned by the parents or given to the kid. If they gave it to the kid, they would most likely be held for criminal charges in PA.
It’s also likely, the parents will be held liable in civil court and they most likely would face criminal penalties here in PA. I don’t have any information on Georgia laws regarding what parents can be held responsible for concerning firearms.
PA is pretty strict with firearms in the hands of minors, which are those persons under the age of 18.
When the suspect left his classroom without a pass he should've been treated as an unauthorized visitor in the school. They should be told that in advance. Another student said he just got up and left the room-why wasn't he challenged by the teacher.
They used to have teachers roam the halls on their off periods checking for things like passes, the rest rooms for smokers, vandals etc. Some schools have parents or security do this now.
They used to have teachers roam the halls on their off periods checking for things like passes, the rest rooms for smokers, vandals etc. Some schools have parents or security do this now.
Remove the firearms and they will find another way to murder. The root of the problem is socio-psychological. Ironically, adults are the ones programming kids to behave in violent ways.
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Lara
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I agree with your first sentence, and will add to the root of where the fault lies which isn't always the adults programming the kids.
There is Peer Pressure, Heredity/Genetics, Socio-Economic status, Hormones, Media Pop Culture, Nutrition, Exercise (lack of sports), Environment including Culture and Community, Geographic location, Cognitive Development, and prenatal factors.
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Yes, all those things influence behavior. .However, adults are still in charge of properly socializing these newly arrived humans instead of misleading them into foolish behavior regardless of all the other factors involved. It is called socialization.
There have always been, and probably always will be, disturbed individuals. Some are dangerously disturbed even in childhood. There are probably multiple reasons, and no simple answer.
But the guns are another problem. What if there were no such things as guns? There would probably be those disturbed people out there, some of them committing murder with other weapons. But not as easily, and not with so many multiple deaths and injuries as the guns make possible (unless people are carrying bombs around in their pockets).
The tragedy is, even if we stopped manufacturing and selling guns right this second, we'd still have the same problem, due to the number of guns already out there. There are more guns than people in this country. Those who want to use them would be able to acquire them, plus probably their ammunition for centuries to come..
We have done this to ourselves, Or maybe, more accurately, part of our population has done this to all of us.
But the guns are another problem. What if there were no such things as guns? There would probably be those disturbed people out there, some of them committing murder with other weapons. But not as easily, and not with so many multiple deaths and injuries as the guns make possible (unless people are carrying bombs around in their pockets).
The tragedy is, even if we stopped manufacturing and selling guns right this second, we'd still have the same problem, due to the number of guns already out there. There are more guns than people in this country. Those who want to use them would be able to acquire them, plus probably their ammunition for centuries to come..
We have done this to ourselves, Or maybe, more accurately, part of our population has done this to all of us.