France makes abortion a constitutional right as the first country worldwide

ProTruckDriver said:
Both are to blame, the mother and the father of the baby.

Let me tell you why I am against aborting a baby because the parents just don't want the child:

I've been close to death too many times in my lifetime. First being born. My mother had a very difficult time and I almost died at birth several times, they didn't think I would make it.

As you all know hospitals were very different in early 1950's, not as high tech as today's hospitals. My parents would never tell us kids (I had two (late) older sisters) what happen at my birth. We got bits and pieces to what happen but not the full story.

There were several other times as a teenager I've been close to death and several times in the military also.

Now in 2012 being diagnosed with leukemia and still fighting it with never receiving any cancer fighting drugs to this day. I believe I've been blessed. I'm sure glad my mother didn't say pull the plug at my birth when the doctors were working on me.
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Your experiences are yours and colour your decisions and you're entitled to them. Women aren't and shouldn't be constrained by anyone else's experiences or opinions. That's the bottom line isn't it?
 

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Yes, that's right, a 20-week time limit on abortions would be reasonable and justified. The issue is extremely complex, and I think women should be given all the rights they need to make the decision, and supported as much as possible.

The state should not restrict women in everything and scare them with laws, but should support them in everything.
 
Kir7 said:
Yes, that's right, a 20-week time limit on abortions would be reasonable and justified. The issue is extremely complex, and I think women should be given all the rights they need to make the decision, and supported as much as possible.

The state should not restrict women in everything and scare them with laws, but should support them in everything.
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I looked your profile up. You're male. No, a 20 week time limit may be enough for an old man but not a woman of child bearing age. 20 weeks is when things start to go wrong. How do I know? Experience.
 

Debrah N. said:
Your experiences are yours and colour your decisions and you're entitled to them. Women aren't and shouldn't be constrained by anyone else's experiences or opinions. That's the bottom line isn't it?
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I believe the bottom line will be when we draw our last breath here on earth and stand in front of the Thrown on Judgement Day for our actions we have taken here on earth.
 
Are there Any time limitations on this new right?
French law previously had put time limits on abortion based upon certain conditions;

Abortion in France is legal upon request until 14 weeks after conception. Abortions at later stages of pregnancy up until birth are allowed if two physicians certify that the abortion will be done to prevent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; a risk to the life of the pregnant woman; or that the child will suffer from a particularly severe illness recognized as incurable. The abortion law was liberalized by the Veil Act in 1975.
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Are these limitations lifted? Still In place? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
ProTruckDriver said:
I believe the bottom line will be when we draw our last breath here on earth and stand in front of the Thrown on Judgement Day for our actions we have taken here on earth.
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Perhaps that's right, but perhaps not, either way men should just shut up and let women handle it, they're perfectly capable. Their responsibility - their right to decide.
 
ProTruckDriver said:
Back in my younger years, early 20's when my testosterone were raging my girlfriend became pregnant and she didn't tell me. She had an abortion without telling me
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She was a smart young lady, very wise not to tell you beforehand, she obviously knew you would object and attempt to control. Your part was over, once she knew that you impregnated her, she made a decision on her own without your interference.

I hope she's happy and healthy today.
 
SeaBreeze said:
She was a smart young lady, very wise not to tell you beforehand, she obviously knew you would object and attempt to control. Your part was over, once she knew that you impregnated her, she made a decision on her own without your interference.

I hope she's happy and healthy today.
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She is healthy but she is not happy. She regrets to this day not notifying me that she was pregnant. She also said that she would never abort again. Like I stated in Post #54, we are all accountable of our actions and we ALL will find out at the end. Have a nice day. :)
 
ProTruckDriver said:
She is healthy but she is not happy. She regrets to this day not notifying me that she was pregnant. She also said that she would never abort again. Like I stated in Post #54, we are all accountable of our actions and we ALL will find out at the end. Have a nice day. :)
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Sure. I'm sure she's still checking in with you and saying exactly what you would want her to say. Well to this day at the age of around seventy, hopefully there will be nobody else making her pregnant, lol. I'm betting she is healthy and happy.

My advice to you, cherish your precious moments here on earth, instead of fearing something that is just in your imagination. You'll be happier for it, enjoy your life, don't fantasize about what happens after you're dead.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Sure. I'm sure she's still checking in with you and saying exactly what you would want her to say.
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Not to get too involved with my past life, yes she still talks to my wife because they have been friends since teenagers.
SeaBreeze said:
Well to this day at the age of around seventy, hopefully there will be nobody else making her pregnant, lol.
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Yeah, that would be something at that age. LOL. What I meant was after we split up when we were in our 20's.
SeaBreeze said:
My advice to you, cherish your precious moments here on earth, instead of fearing something that is just in your imagination. You'll be happier for it, enjoy your life, don't fantasize about what happens after you're dead.
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I don't believe it's my imagination, look around at what's happening in the world. It was all predicted over 2,000 years ago. I have no fear of death. I know I have a home on Glory Avenue and Hallelujah Highway when my time comes. 😍
 
Trade said:
So us guys have how much investment in bringing a child into the world? Maybe a 3-5 minute experiance that in most cases is quite
pleasurable. On the other hand the woman has nine months a significan amount of which is quite uncomfortable, or so I hear. So should we have an equal say in whether or not she wants to go through with it?
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Yes, but her nine months of misery compared to your 3-5 minute pleasurable investment --either price is infinitesimal in comparison with the priceless result that you might treasure all your life.
 
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ProTruckDriver said:
Not to get too involved with my past life, yes she still talks to my wife because they have been friends since teenagers.

Yeah, that would be something at that age. LOL. What I meant was after we split up when we were in our 20's.

I don't believe it's my imagination, look around at what's happening in the world. It was all predicted over 2,000 years ago. I have no fear of death. I know I have a home on Glory Avenue and Hallelujah Highway when my time comes. 😍
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Well, you take care. I respect whatever you choose to believe as long as it doesn't affect others who don't share the same thoughts as you. If a dream of heaven makes you happy, enjoy. :)
 
HoneyNut said:
Some of the states are banning it, so effectively yes it has become illegal in some places. They are going after the doctors, so now doctors are afraid to treat women and risk being charged with murder. There was a woman in one of the states who went to an emergency room because she was miscarrying and didn't get treated and went home and miscarried and then her state tried to charge her with murder.

It has become a huge mess since the creepy right-wing religious Supreme Court took away women's rights to their own bodies.
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Agree, very disturbing that some have to travel to other states for medical care. I'm glad my state is welcoming to women in urgent need of medical attention.
 
gruntlabor said:
Thou shalt not kill. --Exodus 20:13
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Yes, nobody should kill babies or kill children by gunning them down. This is not what we're talking about here, you can quote your bible all you want. Look closely and I believe you will find the killing of babies/infants in your book of cherry picked religious quotes.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Yes, nobody should kill babies or kill children by gunning them down. This is not what we're talking about here, you can quote your bible all you want. Look closely and I believe you will find the killing of babies/infants in your book of cherry picked religious quotes.
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:) I don't have an opinion, SeaBreeze, I just quoted Exodus to balance your post.
 
I don't understand how anyone can say that a man should have no rights to their son or daughter's life if they want to be the father. The baby is physically a part of the father from the beginning...his sperm making it's life begin, his blood running through the babies veins. Just because the woman has some pain and discomfort for 9 months doesn't compare to the pain some men feel in losing a lifetime with his child. It's sad.
 
Lara said:
I don't understand how anyone can say that a man should have no rights to their son or daughter's life if they want to be the father. The baby is physically a part of the father from the beginning...his sperm making it's life begin, his blood running through the babies veins. Just because the woman has some pain and discomfort for 9 months doesn't compare to the pain some men feel in losing a lifetime with his child. It's sad.
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So a woman should be a brood mare to assauge his sadness? His will? Yes, there are sad moments in life. Yes, we have roles made by our genders. That doesn't debilitate her rights. Does it? That's the sadness here, the potential loss of a woman's rights over herself. Something We Fought For.
 
Jeni said:
Rape is less then 2% of cases yet is used for 90% reason for the argument/ discussion.
Both sides of issue use outliers in the discussion

A person shared their perspective from a first hand experience and some here jumped all over him..... that was not needed.

It is not only men....... who wonder what would unborn baby would be now...who would they have looked like etc....
I have known more than a few women who had deep regrets and mental health issues including alcohol issues they say leads back to this decision.

I hear some politician/ activist types compare it to a teeth cleaning and no big deal ..... Maybe for some not for all.
If people want a real discussion they need to see/ hear all the unintended consequences .............. and not tell people their feelings are invalid or wrong simply because YOU feel different.

yes, there are many reasons why a person may seek out an abortion but do not kid yourself That they are all rapes- incest and medical reasons... that simply is not true.
most rules made per state have made it that it needs to be done ASAP within example the first trimester or x amount of weeks . YET so many claim it was completely impossible also not true.
For those who think it is a teeth cleaning..... Are there any limits in your mind..... up til your due date maybe?

It is a woman choice to use birth control and more important know how your body works and how you become pregnant
i knew when i was pregnant very early on ..... but so many seem to believe these women can tell if they ate gluten or non organic produce BUT are completely unaware of a pregnancy until it was a late term situation. really ?
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Now, this is the most sensible reply to the thread on here. Give it a rest.
 

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