George Floyd was a victim

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I am really shocked at some of the things I'm reading here about George Floyd's murder.

Yes, he was a criminal. Yes, he passed counterfeit money, and there is some evidence he KNEW it was counterfeit, that the ink on it hadn't even thoroughly dried. Yes, he did time in prison. Yes, he threatened a pregnant woman with a gun.

He was far from perfect, he lived a troubled life, there were things he did and acts he committed which were indefensible and which I abhor.

He was also, at the end of his life, A VICTIM.

His criminal past is being used by some to mitigate or even excuse the actions of the police officer who murdered him, and the other three officers who contributed. That he used counterfeit money, that he was high, or drunk, or both is offered as a reason why he was detained and subsequently "subdued" and that his death was simply an unfortunate consequence.

Some on facebook and in the media are calling Mr. Floyd a hero or a martyr. I don't agree that he was. But because some are labeling him that, it gives others the opportunity to point out that he wasn't either, he was "just" a criminal, as though that somehow excuses his murder.

Label him whatever you want, but while you're struggling to figure out how feel about this wretched incident, how to feel about Mr. Floyd, remember that he was a VICTIM, powerless in the moments before his death to change that course in spite of his please and entreaties. He was a man crying out for his mother, pleading with his murderer that he couldn't breathe, held down with a knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes, the last two minutes of which he was completely unresponsive, so that when the paramedics arrived they couldn't detect a pulse.

HE WAS A VICTIM. Lethal, deadly force was used against him. He suffered physical harm to the point of death as a result of the criminal act perpetrated against him. He deserves justice.
 

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Ronni said:
I am really shocked at some of the things I'm reading here about George Floyd's murder.

Yes, he was a criminal. Yes, he passed counterfeit money, and there is some evidence he KNEW it was counterfeit, that the ink on it hadn't even thoroughly dried. Yes, he did time in prison. Yes, he threatened a pregnant woman with a gun.

He was far from perfect, he lived a troubled life, there were things he did and acts he committed which were indefensible and which I abhor.

He was also, at the end of his life, A VICTIM.

His criminal past is being used by some to mitigate or even excuse the actions of the police officer who murdered him, and the other three officers who contributed. That he used counterfeit money, that he was high, or drunk, or both is offered as a reason why he was detained and subsequently "subdued" and that his death was simply an unfortunate consequence.

Some on facebook and in the media are calling Mr. Floyd a hero or a martyr. I don't agree that he was. But because some are labeling him that, it gives others the opportunity to point out that he wasn't either, he was "just" a criminal, as though that somehow excuses his murder.

Label him whatever you want, but while you're struggling to figure out how feel about this wretched incident, how to feel about Mr. Floyd, remember that he was a VICTIM, powerless in the moments before his death to change that course in spite of his please and entreaties. He was a simply a person, crying out for his mother, pleading with his murderer that he couldn't breathe, held down with a knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes, the last two minutes of which he was completely unresponsive, so that when the paramedics arrived they couldn't detect a pulse.

HE WAS A VICTIM. Lethal, deadly force was used against him. He suffered physical harm to the point of death as a result of the criminal act perpetrated against him. He deserves justice.
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Those types are the saints of society, the ones who do, and can do no wrong, the ones that lead perfect little lives in their own minds, the ones who are infallible, the ones who are first to cry like wet-bottomed babies when it's their loved ones at the forefront.
 
Aunt Marg said:
Those types are the saints of society, the ones who do, and can do no wrong, the ones that lead perfect little lives in their own minds, the ones who are infallible, the ones who are first to cry like wet-bottomed babies when it's their loved ones at the forefront.
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I have no idea what this means. Is this comment directed at Mr. Floyd?
 

Ronni said:
I am really shocked at some of the things I'm reading here about George Floyd's murder.

Yes, he was a criminal. Yes, he passed counterfeit money, and there is some evidence he KNEW it was counterfeit, that the ink on it hadn't even thoroughly dried. Yes, he did time in prison. Yes, he threatened a pregnant woman with a gun.

He was far from perfect, he lived a troubled life, there were things he did and acts he committed which were indefensible and which I abhor.

He was also, at the end of his life, A VICTIM.

His criminal past is being used by some to mitigate or even excuse the actions of the police officer who murdered him, and the other three officers who contributed. That he used counterfeit money, that he was high, or drunk, or both is offered as a reason why he was detained and subsequently "subdued" and that his death was simply an unfortunate consequence.

Some on facebook and in the media are calling Mr. Floyd a hero or a martyr. I don't agree that he was. But because some are labeling him that, it gives others the opportunity to point out that he wasn't either, he was "just" a criminal, as though that somehow excuses his murder.

Label him whatever you want, but while you're struggling to figure out how feel about this wretched incident, how to feel about Mr. Floyd, remember that he was a VICTIM, powerless in the moments before his death to change that course in spite of his please and entreaties. He was a man crying out for his mother, pleading with his murderer that he couldn't breathe, held down with a knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes, the last two minutes of which he was completely unresponsive, so that when the paramedics arrived they couldn't detect a pulse.

HE WAS A VICTIM. Lethal, deadly force was used against him. He suffered physical harm to the point of death as a result of the criminal act perpetrated against him. He deserves justice.
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Well .... I disagree completely. He involved himself in a criminal activity, he encountered the police ..... he died as a result . Had he not involved himself in that criminal activity ......... he would likely still be alive.
 
Aunt Marg, just to clarify, you are saying that even though he had been guilty of (non-violent) criminal behavior, there is no excuse for his murder at the hands of the police. And you are protesting the moral posturing of those who are trying to defend this disgraceful murderer in a police uniform. Is that it? If so, I agree with you.

Rgp, what if he had been jaywalking? Would that have justified murder also?
 
rgp said:
He involved himself in a criminal activity, he encountered the police ..... he died as a result .
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So that's how it works? A person encounters the police... and death is the expected result? Don't ignore the fact that he was already pinned down by several cops. Don't forget that one of the cops had his knee on George Floyd's neck for several minutes - a totally unnecessary move when you have several cops holding him down.
 
Aunt Marg said:
I specifically highlighted the entry of your post in which my comment applies.
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Yes I know. This is what you highlighted:
His criminal past is being used by some to mitigate or even excuse the actions of the police officer who murdered him, and the other three officers who contributed. That he used counterfeit money, that he was high, or drunk, or both is offered as a reason why he was detained and subsequently "subdued" and that his death was simply an unfortunate consequence.

And then you said:
Those types are the saints of society, the ones who do, and can do no wrong, the ones that lead perfect little lives in their own minds, the ones who are infallible, the ones who are first to cry like wet-bottomed babies when it's their loved ones at the forefront.

I still don't get what you're saying. Who are "those types?" Mr. Floyd or the police?
 
Sunny said:
Aunt Marg, just to clarify, you are saying that even though he had been guilty of (non-violent) criminal behavior, there is no excuse for his murder at the hands of the police. And you are protesting the moral posturing of those who are trying to defend this disgraceful murderer in a police uniform. Is that it? If so, I agree with you.

Rgp, what if he had been jaywalking? Would that have justified murder also?
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Exactly, Sunny, and I thank you for seeing that.

With all of the evidence out, as well as the rulings, it's hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that there are still individuals out there who continue to downplay the actions of the police, in addition to, look to pin all on George Floyd.
 
rgp said:
Well .... I disagree completely. He involved himself in a criminal activity, he encountered the police ..... he died as a result . Had he not involved himself in that criminal activity ......... he would likely still be alive.
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This is disgusting. :mad: There is ZERO JUSTIFICATION for his murder. He was cuffed, put in a police vehicle, pulled back OUT of the vehicle, to then be thrown to the ground, still in cuffs, and further "subdued" for almost 9 minutes, the last two of which he was completely unresponsive. HOW THE EVERLOVING @#$% CAN YOU JUSTIFY THIS????
 
Ronni said:
Yes I know. This is what you highlighted:
His criminal past is being used by some to mitigate or even excuse the actions of the police officer who murdered him, and the other three officers who contributed. That he used counterfeit money, that he was high, or drunk, or both is offered as a reason why he was detained and subsequently "subdued" and that his death was simply an unfortunate consequence.

And then you said:
Those types are the saints of society, the ones who do, and can do no wrong, the ones that lead perfect little lives in their own minds, the ones who are infallible, the ones who are first to cry like wet-bottomed babies when it's their loved ones at the forefront.

I still don't get what you're saying. Who are "those types?" Mr. Floyd or the police?
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There's nothing difficult about what I am saying or said, "those types", related to, those who are using George Floyd's criminal past to mitigate or even excuse the actions of the police officer who murdered him, and the other three officers who contributed. That he used counterfeit money, that he was high, or drunk, or both is offered as a reason why he was detained and subsequently "subdued" and that his death was simply an unfortunate consequence.
 
rgp said:
Well .... I disagree completely. He involved himself in a criminal activity, he encountered the police ..... he died as a result . Had he not involved himself in that criminal activity ......... he would likely still be alive.
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this is cold hard facts, if he hadn't have been a criminal , he would be alive today, that's very likely true ....however his criminal activity didn't warrant a horrible death at the hand of murderers in uniform
 
rgp said:
Well .... I disagree completely. He involved himself in a criminal activity, he encountered the police ..... he died as a result . Had he not involved himself in that criminal activity ......... he would likely still be alive.
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You're entry is worthy of no response.
 
Back in 1951, a brilliant book was published: The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer. It describes the mentality that leads dangerous political and military movements. It's just as pertinent now as it was then, perhaps even more. Here's part of a recent review:

The book's subtitle, "Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements," tells it all: How and why mass movements get started, and why so many people choose to follow only those leaders best able to capitalize on their discontents. Unfortunately, many of the politically naive individuals attracted to simple explanations and/or extreme positions can abandon reason. As "true believers," they can even become dangerous to the body politic.
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The "True Believers" will try to justify anything, even police brutality, when it serves their cause. They see the world with blinders on.
 
Ronni said:
This is disgusting. :mad: There is ZERO JUSTIFICATION for his murder. He was cuffed, put in a police vehicle, pulled back OUT of the vehicle, to then be thrown to the ground, still in cuffs, and further "subdued" for almost 9 minutes, the last two of which he was completely unresponsive. HOW THE EVERLOVING @#$% CAN YOU JUSTIFY THIS????
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I feel no need to justify anything ..... I merely stated, had he not been involved in a criminal activity , he likely would still be alive.
 
You know I'm so tired of reading about how (it's always Black people) the victim had done a crime or was a bad person in some way after being murdered by Killer Kops. Has anyone noticed that White mass murders (with the exception of a couple) have never been shot and killed. They have been brought into custody without incident? They get to live and stand trial but not unarmed Black people, who hadn't even committed a violent crime or a crime at all !! Some were not even aware of police presence while going about their daily business, yet they ended up dead. The list is so long, I think I'll do a separate post about it.

Like you Ronni, I'm appalled at some of the replies I've seen on this forum surrounding these killings and haven't even read them all yet. They smack of racism and frankly extreme ignorance about the Black experience and the heinous history of this country's treatment of Black people. It also makes me think those we speak of have rocks where their hearts should be. The advisory about the United States
https://www.insider.com/traveling-in-the-us-warnings-2019-7
 
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