Get Ready, Florida

The hard part here is not knowing where the bitch is going. They've just recalibrated it to cross over the middle of the Keys now and then the eye to move up the southwest coast of Florida, which puts central Florida on the "bad" side (as if there is a "good" side.....) Nerves are frayed. I may be breaking out the tequila early.

If it goes much further west, it might hit my 92-year-old mother's area. Luckily, my sister and brother-in-law are there and have the camper packed and ready to head north if necessary.

Those who evacuated are now sitting on I-75 and I-95, creeping along and worrying about the availability of gas. Hotels and motels are packed. The Disney parks are closing Sunday and Monday at least and they hardly EVER close. Friends who live in Sarasota just called from a RV park near Tallahassee, wondering if they should hitch up and move further north. They wonder if they'll have a house to come home to when it's all over.

And then as if that bitch Irma isn't enough, her hermano bastardo Jose is out there waiting for his turn to storm in and bust up the bar. OK, where's that tequila?

On the good news front.....I did win $5 on my lottery ticket on Wednesday. Yay! I can buy another jug of water.....if there was any to buy.
 

I did not hit the quote button but I do have to reply to hangover and beg everyone's indulgence for I do apologize for being off topic beforehand.

I do have to ask myself the question: Why oh why do people seem to come out of the woodwork (or wherever) to place the blame of a natural disaster on person's or things rather than what they are? Why can't you show some compassion for the people who are in the thick of things instead of throwing your totally imagined rhetoric around?

I could have a wonderful conversation with you if you had some empirical proof that what you say is true but as it stands it is just hateful conjecture coming from an over imaginative mind. Hate who you will but my Bible says not to hate. Judge who you will but by your own standards you are committing virtually the same thing that you are accusing Trump AND those who voted for him. Negativity brings about negativity and amigo, you are about as negative as they come. Please stay on topic and I assure you sir, I will also.....

King David committed murder and took another man's wife and the only one it backfired on was him, not the entire nation of Israel.
 
I think the storm is veering west. They just warned several counties in Georgia on the Weather Channel.
 

Lolly said:
He has pretty much decimated FEMA... and here we may be facing TWO.. not just one major Hurricanes.. as well as wild fires... He has also cut disaster relief funding from his budget... Pretty sad for those who will be affected directly.... But ALL of us will be affected in some way for sure.
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TWO? Count again. Left to right - Irma, Jose and Katia. Harvey was just a foretaste.

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And things will only get worse because vested interests continue to prevail.
 
Camper6 said:
The Japanese made the tin cans that Spam came in possibly. So therefore their economy suffered and the Japanese starved.

When my mother told me that, I would just say, send it over there.

But now? I love the stuff. I bake it with cloves just like a regular ham. That's all it is anyway is pressed ham.

Now that I have to buy my own groceries and have fed my own family, I realized how tough it must have been on poor families trying their best to stretch the food dollar any way they could.

Just tell the kid you don't have to eat your lunch if you don't want to.

Then they will show up at dinner/supper with their napkin tucked in and knife and fork at the ready and everything tastes good.
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I was born right after WWII ended and Japan was in pretty bad shape. I think the connection probably was that there were children in Japan who would be glad to get ANYTHING to eat and there I was turning up my nose at spam. Or something like that. I thought spam was gross then and I still think it's gross. It's just a personal taste -- I don't like bologna, either.
 
jujube said:
OK, it's coming right at us! No, it's moved to the east! No, it's shifted back around to the west! No, it's coming right at us! Every time I turn on the TV, it's a different story.

I'm so tired of this already, I'm about to start making tequila and tuna cocktails. With a cheese ball on top. And if I had any of that Spam left from the last time, I'd put some of that in, too. Death by Spam.
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I think I'll have to pass on the tequila and tuna cocktails, with or without the spam.
 
Well it's now headed towards Tampa. That could be real bad. Tampa has a lot of low areas like Houston and could easily flood. They haven't had a direct hit since 1921 when the population was about 10,000. Today there are three million in the Tampa metro area.

But then again, lately they have been moving the track farther west with every update. So who knows where it might end up?
 
mimento mori said:
I did not hit the quote button but I do have to reply to hangover and beg everyone's indulgence for I do apologize for being off topic beforehand.

I do have to ask myself the question: Why oh why do people seem to come out of the woodwork (or wherever) to place the blame of a natural disaster on person's or things rather than what they are? Why can't you show some compassion for the people who are in the thick of things instead of throwing your totally imagined rhetoric around?

I could have a wonderful conversation with you if you had some empirical proof that what you say is true but as it stands it is just hateful conjecture coming from an over imaginative mind. Hate who you will but my Bible says not to hate. Judge who you will but by your own standards you are committing virtually the same thing that you are accusing Trump AND those who voted for him. Negativity brings about negativity and amigo, you are about as negative as they come. Please stay on topic and I assure you sir, I will also.....

King David committed murder and took another man's wife and the only one it backfired on was him, not the entire nation of Israel.
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I gave you the proof, showing that innocent Germans paid the price for Hitler's Karma...it's not imagined. You are being like Trump when he blamed the counter protesters for the hate in Charottesville Virginia. The haters were the white supremacists...the counter protesters were protesting their hate. The Bible says to hate evil.-Proverbs 8:13 According to your definition of Karma, all six million Jews that Hitler killed were guilty. Trump destroys the lives of 800,000 dreamers, and you accuse me of being negative. He demonizes Muslims, and causes them suffering, and you want to stay on topic after you've demonized me.

This is still maybe off topic, because Trade is in Mobil Alabama, not Florida....but I hope he gets out of there and takes a vacation up north for a week or so. With the shift, Mobil will probably get flooded. Trade, if you need a place for a few days, PM me.
 
hangover said:
I gave you the proof, showing that innocent Germans paid the price for Hitler's Karma...it's not imagined. You are being like Trump when he blamed the counter protesters for the hate in Charottesville Virginia. The haters were the white supremacists...the counter protesters were protesting their hate. The Bible says to hate evil.-Proverbs 8:13 According to your definition of Karma, all six million Jews that Hitler killed were guilty. Trump destroys the lives of 800,000 dreamers, and you accuse me of being negative. He demonizes Muslims, and causes them suffering, and you want to stay on topic after you've demonized me.

This is still maybe off topic, because Trade is in Mobil Alabama, not Florida....but I hope he gets out of there and takes a vacation up north for a week or so. With the shift, Mobil will probably get flooded. Trade, if you need a place for a few days, PM me.
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Whatsoever YOU sew, So shall YOU reap! And you are right, we are to hate evil. Committing Evil is an action not a person. You might wish to leave Biblical knowledge to someone who knows a tad more about it. Uh, on another thread you are placing Noah in Sodum. Nope! Didn't happen.

Bottom line is that you cannot give anyone anything more than your personal theory which is found in error because you cannot validate its authenticity as empirical fact.
800,000 dreamers given the boot? Nope, hasn't happened and as a matter of FACT, that particular proposition is still being litigated in the house.

Now, how about throwing a few bucks toward hurricane relief to help out your own Karma. Trump did.
 
mimento mori said:
Whatsoever YOU sew, So shall YOU reap! And you are right, we are to hate evil. Committing Evil is an action not a person. You might wish to leave Biblical knowledge to someone who knows a tad more about it. Uh, on another thread you are placing Noah in Sodum. Nope! Didn't happen.

Bottom line is that you cannot give anyone anything more than your personal theory which is found in error because you cannot validate its authenticity as empirical fact.
800,000 dreamers given the boot? Nope, hasn't happened and as a matter of FACT, that particular proposition is still being litigated in the house.

Now, how about throwing a few bucks toward hurricane relief to help out your own Karma. Trump did.
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You really love your negativity. Yeah, they laughed at Abraham at Sodom, but they laughed at Noah when he was building the ark. Just because I said Noah, you try to pretend that you know more about the bible than I do. So self righteous. Here's a clue...."Blessed are those the rightly divide the word of truth."

Truth is, Trump said he was going to end DACA, and promised to deport them before he even got elected as a campaign promise.

As far as me throwing in a few bucks, what makes you think I haven't? Because I don't brag about my giving? Do you really think that Trump's million dollar gift makes up for the banning of Muslims and the suffering it caused? Or the 800,000 that are going to suffer from ending DACA? How about his efforts to destroy healthcare, saying "just let it die"? How about him calling those on the side of the white supremacists being good people?

Sorry folks about all this off topic stuff, but I refuse to let a jackbooted thug grind his heel in my character, without a response.
 
jujube said:
"Jackbooted thug"? You can tell what people are wearing through your computer screen? Oops, I better go put on a bathrobe.
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LOL...that's like him saying that evil is an action, not a person....like Hitler wasn't evil....nice robe!
 
If the current track holds my old home grounds of Pinellas County is going to be devastated. They haven't had a direct hit since the 1920's when that area was a sparsely populated rural backwater. Now it has one of the highest population densities of any county in the US. Ever since I was a kid in school I had been hearing warnings from environmentalist types about the rampant virtually unregulated development that has been going on there and how it's being set up for a major disaster if a major hurricane hits. But those warnings have been unheeded and the development continued, a lot of it on fill land in order to maximize the number of lots that could be sold as "waterfront". It looks like those chickens are going to be coming home to roost.
 
hangover said:
This is still maybe off topic, because Trade is in Mobil Alabama, not Florida....but I hope he gets out of there and takes a vacation up north for a week or so. With the shift, Mobil will probably get flooded. Trade, if you need a place for a few days, PM me.
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Downtown is low and subject to a storm surge. But like I said, I'm on high ground, 95 feet above sea level. I'm also relatively high compared to the nearby area. There are some poor schmucks about three blocks from me that are a good 30 feet lower than me. Even though they are well out of storm surge territory they could get flooded if we get a huge amount of rain. One thing I learned from living in Florida all my life. Before you buy property always check to make sure it's on high ground.
 
Trade said:
Downtown is low and subject to a storm surge. But like I said, I'm on high ground, 95 feet above sea level. I'm also relatively high compared to the nearby area. There are some poor schmucks about three blocks from me that are a good 30 feet lower than me. Even though they are well out of storm surge territory they could get flooded if we get a huge amount of rain. One thing I learned from living in Florida all my life. Before you buy property always check to make sure it's on high ground.
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Trade, I've been wondering what flood insurance costs in those areas in Florida? And does it cover everything or is there a huge deductible?

Living where I do, I've never had to worry about floor insurance, flood plains and so on. Back when I was a kid, it used to flood some here from flash floods from our monsoons -- of course nothing to even compare to what's going on in Houston and Florida. In the area I live in it used to get maybe a couple feet high at the very worst and maybe creep up onto your porch or a wee bit under your door. We had damp carpet in the front room once from it doing that. Down in the valley here it was much worse, but still no comparison. Anyway, they solved the problem by putting in a flood drainage system which works great to drain off water down to arroyos and on to the Rio Grande.

I just can't imagine losing everything I own except the clothes on my back in a flood like Houston and starting over with absolutely nothing. How do people cope?
 
Butterfly said:
Trade, I've been wondering what flood insurance costs in those areas in Florida? And does it cover everything or is there a huge deductible?

Living where I do, I've never had to worry about floor insurance, flood plains and so on. Back when I was a kid, it used to flood some here from flash floods from our monsoons -- of course nothing to even compare to what's going on in Houston and Florida. In the area I live in it used to get maybe a couple feet high at the very worst and maybe creep up onto your porch or a wee bit under your door. We had damp carpet in the front room once from it doing that. Down in the valley here it was much worse, but still no comparison. Anyway, they solved the problem by putting in a flood drainage system which works great to drain off water down to arroyos and on to the Rio Grande.

I just can't imagine losing everything I own except the clothes on my back in a flood like Houston and starting over with absolutely nothing. How do people cope?
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I don't know. Like I said, I wouldn't consider buying any property that was even remotely subject to flooding. Except Noah's Ark type flooding and then it wouldn't matter because all the insurance companies would go bankrupt anyway.

I'm ambivalent about the whole flood insurance thing. I know some poor people get hurt by floods but I also see it abused in a lot of cases especially in Florida where mega rich people build these million dollar and up vacation homes on the ocean or gulf and then avail themselves of taxpayer subsidized flood insurance so that they can rebuild coutesy of the taxpayers in general when a storm takes them out. Of course most of these people are small government conservatives, but are only too happy to take big government socialism when it helps them.

Then there's places like Dauphin Island which is about 25 miles south of us on the Gulf. It's got a population of about 1,200. And these are mostly well off people. Beachfront property isn't cheap. And yet time and time again with Hurricanes like Katrina and Ivan they have gotten tens of millions of dollars of free federal money to rebuild infrastructure. I know I sound like a communist when I say this, but we should not be allowing people to build in these areas. They should be basically reserved for parks and recreational use.
 
Can you just imagine what this will do to insurance rates for these areas. My daughter's bf
is an insurance adjuster, the last few years he has been very very busy.
 
Jackie22 said:
Can you just imagine what this will do to insurance rates for these areas. My daughter's bf
is an insurance adjuster, the last few years he has been very very busy.
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After the 2004 Hurricanes my homeowners insurance went from about $600 a year to $1600 a year. And that was without me filing a claim and being on high ground 75 miles inland. And it never went down again.

My boss at the time was living on Vero Beach and commuting. His went up to $10,000 a year. But he was a real player. He got hit by two hurricanes and probably made about $30-$50,000 off of them. He really knew how to play the system. On both mandatory evacuations he rented a motor home and went on vacation. Once to Chicago, and once out to Nevada. All paid for by insurance. Plus he got two free chainsaws and two free generators from FEMA. He had a contractor buddy who repaired his house for about 1/2 of what he got from his insurance. After the Hurricane season was over he bought a bunch of new clothes and a new truck.

Ya gotta remember this was right before the 2004 election. And Bush and his brother Jeb, who was governor of Florida at the time made sure Florida got taken care of big time.
 
Jackie22 said:
Can you just imagine what this will do to insurance rates for these areas. My daughter's bf is an insurance adjuster, the last few years he has been very very busy.
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There are early estimates as high as 180 billion for the damage done to Texas by hurricane Harvey, and Irma may cause that much, or more in Florida and the SE as it tracks inland. FEMA is funded for only a small fraction of that amount, and most of those in Texas didn't have flood insurance....no reports, so far, on how many in the path of Irma have insurance. If the insurance companies take a major hit, homeowners rates will rise....all over the nation. If the government is stuck with the bulk of these costs, Congress is going to have to boost the National Debt by 10's, or 100's, of billions more. Then...if/when all this damage is fixed, and paid for, another round of storms is surely going to hit and start the whole mess all over again.

At some point, people are going to have to realize that living on the shorelines, and/or just a few feet above sea level, or major rivers is just asking for trouble.
 
hangover said:
You really love your negativity. Yeah, they laughed at Abraham at Sodom, but they laughed at Noah when he was building the ark. Just because I said Noah, you try to pretend that you know more about the bible than I do. So self righteous. Here's a clue...."Blessed are those the rightly divide the word of truth."

Truth is, Trump said he was going to end DACA, and promised to deport them before he even got elected as a campaign promise.

As far as me throwing in a few bucks, what makes you think I haven't? Because I don't brag about my giving? Do you really think that Trump's million dollar gift makes up for the banning of Muslims and the suffering it caused? Or the 800,000 that are going to suffer from ending DACA? How about his efforts to destroy healthcare, saying "just let it die"? How about him calling those on the side of the white supremacists being good people?

Sorry folks about all this off topic stuff, but I refuse to let a jackbooted thug grind his heel in my character, without a response.
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What the Sam h*ll does any of that have to do with the bloody hurricanes!!!??
If you came up with say, all of the global warming stuff, or all of the micro and radio waves warming up the atmosphere and oceans from nearly a billion computers and cell phones around those areas I might pay a little attention. If you had said that the recent surge in solar flares or the 100,000 or so satellites jamming microwaves into the earth and oceans or even H.A.R.P. was causing the hurricanes I would have jumped to converse with you on some research about it.

But heck no, you have to be the flippin' bully who keeps harping about some political karma that your much less than genius IQ can put the blame on. Stop with the politics and errant Bible thumping and start showing real intelligence for a change.

I perform real research and I study before I start hitting the key board when it comes to serious subjects.
II Timothy 2:15.....Read it before you put Noah in Sodum again.

Seriously, I doubt if anyone wants to read your idiocy or my rebuttals and for my rebuttals I do humbly apologize to the good people of this forum. They shouldn't be subjected to my or your garbage!
 
hangover said:
Trade, if you need a place for a few days, PM me.
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Thanks Dude, but no thanks. I wish I could find a way to say this diplomatically but I can't come up with the right words. The fact is people that quote the Bible a lot creep me out. I'd rather take my chances with the storm.
 
jujube said:
Hangover, do you think there is any way you can give this a rest for a while? Or at least, leave the hurricane thread and start your own thread? It was getting annoying and now it's getting very annoying.
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I agree with what you are saying completely, Jujube. It is bad enough when someone deliberately drags a thread off-topic; but when contentious statements and rude insults are also part of that equation, then it is even worse.
There is a whole political section where most of this can be discussed, and it does not need to destroy an important topic like these terrible storms we are having.

It appears that Irma is not turning out to be as bad as they thought might happen, and for that I am thankful. Watching what happened in Texas, and to my dear friend, Ina, had me really worrying what might happen to our friends here in Florida, like you, and also Pappy, who has a home down there that he is hoping to be able to go back to next month.
Now, it is being considered that the next storm, Jose, could go up the East Coast and make landfall in or around New York.
I am really starting to wonder if the ancients had it right, and a solar eclipse is a bad omen.
 

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