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Mr. Ed

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From what I know and what I know is subject to change...god is believed to be real to some people and disbelieved to be real by others. religion seems to be a mechanism of worship, instilling methods, rituals and techniques for worshipping, honoring and celebrating god.

What religion does to your brain​



Written by Ana Sandoiu on July 20, 2018 — Fact checked by Jasmin Collier

Whether or not a divine power truly does exist might be a matter of opinion, but the neurophysiological effects of religious belief are scientific facts that can be accurately measured. Here, we take a look at some of these effects, as shown by the latest research.

The effects of prayer on a person’s well-being are well-documented.
Whether you are a staunch atheist, a reserved agnostic, or a devout believer, you are equally likely to find the effects of religion on human brains astonishing.

Religious belief can increase our lifespan and help us better cope with disease.
And, research in the field of “neurotheology” — or the neuroscience of theological belief — has made some surprising discoveries that are bound to change how we think about spirituality.
For instance, some scientists suggest that religious experience activates the same brain circuits as sex and drugs.
Other research has suggested that damage to a certain brain region can make you feel as though someone’s in the room when nobody’s there. Such findings have intriguing implications for how religion affects health, and vice-versa.
Also, do the neurobiological underpinnings of religious experience mean that it could be artificially recreated? If a divine experience proves to be biologically predetermined, does having the right scientific information enable us to create the illusion of a god?
Below, we take a look at some of these questions. While researchers may not have all the answers yet, pieces of the puzzle are coming together to form a scientific picture of divinity that is shaping up to be quite different from those we find in the holy books.


Different religions have different effects​

Dr. Andrew Newberg, who is a professor of neuroscience and the director of the Research Marcus Institute of Integrative Health at the Thomas Jefferson University and Hospital in Villanova, PA, explains that different religious practices have different effects on one’s brain.

The front part of the brain (shown here in red) is more active during meditation. Image credit: Dr. Andrew Newberg.
Namely, different religions activate brain regions differently.
The researcher, who literally “wrote the book” on neurotheology, draws from his numerous studies to show that both meditating Buddhists and praying Catholic nuns, for instance, have increased activity in the frontal lobes of the brain.
These areas are linkedTrusted Source with increased focus and attention, planning skills, the ability to project into the future, and the ability to construct complex arguments.
Also, both prayer and meditation correlate with a decreased activity in the parietal lobes, which are responsible for processing temporal and spatial orientation.
Nuns, however — who pray using words rather than relying on visualization techniques used in meditation — show increased activity in the language-processing brain areas of the subparietal lobes.
But, other religious practices can have the opposite effect on the same brain areas. For instance, one of the most recent studies co-authored by Dr. Newberg shows that intense Islamic prayer — “which has, as its most fundamental concept, the surrendering of one’s self to God” — reduces the activity in the prefrontal cortex and the frontal lobes connected with it, as well as the activity in the parietal lobes.
The prefrontal cortexTrusted Source is traditionally thought to be involved in executive control, or willful behavior, as well as decision-making. So, the researchers hypothesize, it would make sense that a practice that centers on relinquishing control would result in decreased activity in this brain area.

Religion is like ‘sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll’​


A recent study that Medical News Today reported on found that religion activates the same reward-processing brain circuits as sex, drugs, and other addictive activities.

Devoutly religious participants showed increased activity in the brain’s nucleus accumbens. Image credit: Dr. Jeff Anderson.
Researchers led by Dr. Jeff Anderson, Ph.D. — from the University of Utah School of Medicine in Salt Lake City — examined the brains of 19 young Mormons using a functional MRI scanner.
When asked whether, and to what degree, the participants were “feeling the spirit,” those who reported the most intense spiritual feelings displayed increased activity in the bilateral nucleus accumbens, as well as the frontal attentional and ventromedial prefrontal cortical loci.
These pleasure and reward-processing brain areas are also active when we engage in sexual activities, listen to music, gamble, and take drugs. The participants also reported feelings of peace and physical warmth.
“When our study participants were instructed to think about a savior, about being with their families for eternity, about their heavenly rewards, their brains and bodies physically responded,” says first study author Michael Ferguson.
These findings echo those of older studiesTrusted Source, which found that engaging in spiritual practices raises levels of serotonin, which is the “happiness” neurotransmitter, and endorphins.
The latter are euphoria-inducing molecules whose name comes from the phrase “endogenous morphine.” Such neurophysiological effects of religion seem to give the dictum “Religion is the opium of the people” a new level of meaning.


Out of body experiences are in your body​

Some recent advances in neuroimaging techniques allow us to understand how our brains “create” a spiritual or mystical experience. What causes the feeling that someone else is present in the room, or that we’ve stepped outside of our bodies and into another dimension?
“In the last few years,” says Dr. Anderson, “brain imaging technologies have matured in ways that are letting us approach questions that have been around for millennia.”

Prof. James Giordano, from the Georgetown University Medical Center in Washington, D.C., agrees. “We are able to even understand when a person gets into ‘ecstasy mode,'” he says, and to identify specific brain areas that participate in this process.
“When activity in the networks of the superior parietal cortex [which is a region in the upper part of the parietal lobe] or our prefrontal cortex increases or decreases, our bodily boundaries change,” Prof. Giordano explains in an interview for Medium.
Research backs him up. A study of Vietnam veterans shows that those who had been injured in the brain’s dorsolateral prefrontal cortex were more likely to report mystical experiences.

“These parts of the brain control our sense of self in relation to other objects in the world, as well as our bodily integrity; hence the ‘out of body’ and ‘extended self’ sensations and perceptions many people who have had mystical experiences confess to.”
Prof. James Giordano
Does god exist....is god real? God is as real as you want god to be. faith and belief work together forming a bond in support of a belief. For faith to work one must believe first in order to have faith.
Christianity uses son of god as its focus in worshipping god offering forgiveness and redemption as the way to knowing god. God remains the center of focus "cannot know the father except through the son" paraphrased.

What is reality if not what we feel to be real? God is real to some people and to others who choose not to believe in god, god remains unknown.
 

I thought back on my life and at first I was thinking that I might have had a better life if I had been a church going person.
Maybe people would have seen me as a more respectable person who enjoyed the fellowship of decent people.
Then I think about a couple of cases where guys from work who were enjoying being decent church going men wound up being taken advantage of.
One was a guy who I worked with and went to school with in an apprenticeship.
He went home from work one day and found his wife on the couch with a deacon from the church they attended.
Guy had a wonderful home, wife and two beautiful children and it all went out the window because some of his wife’s friends told her how exciting it was to have an affair.
Then there was another guy who worked in the same huge factory who was going around preaching to anybody who would listen. He belonged to one of those churches that go door to door pestering people about joining their church.
Guy was inspired by the Holy Spirit, just beaming with joy and enthusiasm, but I saw him later on and he was quiet and sad looking.
Seems his wife was doing more than just going door to door converting souls with one other church members.
I know that you can’t blame all churches or religions for the actions of a few but it goes to show that joining a fellowship is no guarantee that it’s going to improve your life or make you a better person in any way.
The main reason why I wasn’t a regular in a place of worship was that I worked 12 hour days and 12 days in a row all the time while going through ban apprenticeship.
Seems like everybody wanted a piece of my time.
So on a day off it was usually off to the woods or waters somewhere.
Would a loving God blame me?
 

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I was raised Roman Catholic and had my moments of being really devout, ultimately swinging in the opposite direction. When religion, regardless of sect, is constantly shoved down your throat, it can be nauseating with all that tunnel vision. I like thinking for myself and figuring out what is what.

Perhaps my interest in science and history changed my attitude. I look at God as possibly a group of celestial braniacs that thought all this up. Of course, it isn't quite as simple as all that.

While I still observe much of my religion, but in a broader and less pedantic way, I find it more satisfactory. I do not care one whit what religion one practices. It is their right and if they do not believe at all, well, that's okay too

Just please don't criticize what other's beliefs are in this arena. Unless someone decides to go to war over it.
 
If I was born in the jungle as part of an indiginous tribe.. had never seen anywhere or spoken to anyone outside the jungle and my tribe..and had no knowledge of any type of God.... does that mean I don't get to heaven when I die, because I haven't followed ''god's rules'' ?
I heard somewhere that people like little kids who never had the opportunity to learn about God are excused or something.
I’ve always heard that God loves little children and I can see why because there is something in that innocence that endears a person.
At first I thought you were saying that YOU were born in a jungle! I thought that was pretty wild! Haha!
 
I heard somewhere that people like little kids who never had the opportunity to learn about God are excused or something.
I’ve always heard that God loves little children and I can see why because there is something in that innocence that endears a person.
At first I thought you were saying that YOU were born in a jungle! I thought that was pretty wild! Haha!
yes but these tribes people would be grown adults..old people as well.....

Another thing is.. that in the Uk hardly anyone goes to church any longer... except Orthodox jewish, muslims and the baptists....

Hardly any christian person attends church to worship a god...... doesn't make them bad people..
 
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I was raised Roman Catholic and had my moments of being really devout, ultimately swinging in the opposite direction. When religion, regardless of sect, is constantly shoved down your throat, it can be nauseating with all that tunnel vision. I like thinking for myself and figuring out what is what.

Perhaps my interest in science and history changed my attitude. I look at God as possibly a group of celestial braniacs that thought all this up. Of course, it isn't quite as simple as all that.

While I still observe much of my religion, but in a broader and less pedantic way, I find it more satisfactory. I do not care one whit what religion one practices. It is their right and if they do not believe at all, well, that's okay too

Just please don't criticize what other's beliefs are in this arena. Unless someone decides to go to war over it.
Mom’s family was Catholic and Dad’s Methodist. I was baptized in The Church at about 12 years old and went to Catholic schools after that.
Long story short the priest where I graduated from high school kicked me out after I told him that I would let my kids pick their religion.
Couldn’t really get into all of that Catholic mumbo jumbo a lot anyway.
Seen so many inconsistencies since then that I don’t regret it.
Just couldn’t handle the -my way or the highway- attitude.
 
Mom’s family was Catholic and Dad’s Methodist. I was baptized in The Church at about 12 years old and went to Catholic schools after that.
Long story short the priest where I graduated from high school kicked me out after I told him that I would let my kids pick their religion.
Couldn’t really get into all of that Catholic mumbo jumbo a lot anyway.
Seen so many inconsistencies since then that I don’t regret it.
Just couldn’t handle the -my way or the highway- attitude.
similar..my mother a Catholic born and raised by evil nuns..my father a Protestant...,..I was never baptised, nor were any of my siblings... because my father was anti catholicism

I had my own baptised when she was a baby, .. does that mean we won't meet in heaven ? ..it;s all crazy isn't it ?
 
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yes but these tribes people would be grown adults..old people as well.....

Another thing is.. that in the Uk hardly anyone goes to church any longer... except the muslims and the baptists....

Hardly any christian person attends church to worship a god...... doesn't make them bad people..
Just using little kids as an example of anyone who hasn’t had a chance to learn the word of God.
From what I understand if you never learned then you are just naturally excused.

Makes you wonder how many people go to church where it really has anything to do with God but maybe just for show or to wear their Sunday’s best.
 
simialr..my mother a Catholic born and raised by evil nuns..my father a Protestant...,..I was never baptised, nor were any of my siblings... because my father was anti catholicism

I had my own baptised when she was a baby, .. does that mean we won't meet in heaven ? ..it;s all crazy isn't it ?
Sure looking forward to seeing my family again in the afterlife.
If I don’t I probably won’t know anything about it anyway.
Remember looking at a mound of ants as a kid and wondering what it is all about.
Is there a being looking down at us too?
After a while you’ll strain your brain thinking about it.
Know one thing for sure I will try to be as kind as I can to everybody this time around.
 
Mom’s family was Catholic and Dad’s Methodist. I was baptized in The Church at about 12 years old and went to Catholic schools after that.
Long story short the priest where I graduated from high school kicked me out after I told him that I would let my kids pick their religion.
Couldn’t really get into all of that Catholic mumbo jumbo a lot anyway.
Seen so many inconsistencies since then that I don’t regret it.
Just couldn’t handle the -my way or the highway- attitude.
I don't blame you for that.

My Roman Catholic maternal grandmother was excommunicated for marrying my Methodist grandfather. The couple had planned to travel to Sydney to be married in St Marys cathedral* but the local priest accosted her in the street with the words, "Gertie Walsh, I hope you don't expect me to marry you."

Her defiant response was, "Father, it's manners to wait until you are asked."
They were then married in the local Methodist church and she was officially excommunicated.

Australian Catholicism has come a long way forward since those times. I spent 25 years teaching in a catholic girls' high school and found the nuns to be surprisingly progressive. The old Irish priests were more dogmatic, but the younger ones were not.

* a relatively common practice back then for mixed marriages.
 
There is a section in the brain, call it a feeling or a connection that is attributed to godlike knowing, understanding or enlightenment for some people. I believe this has nothing to do with spirituality or god, instead it is part of human development that is assumed to be of god / from god etc.. only because it is so foreign from everyday thought processing it is assumed to god based on our own ignorance of human capability.

Humans are the most evil creatures of all time. We don't think of ourselves that way because we forget history and most of us are just trying to survive. But it's true...no other creature on earth have the capacity to hate, injure, maim, murder and kill the way humans do, it is a sport among the few and worse of all we not only accept it, we do nothing about it.

The problem is ourselves and we are unwilling to change.
 
There is a section in the brain, call it a feeling or a connection that is attributed to godlike knowing, understanding or enlightenment for some people. I believe this has nothing to do with spirituality or god, instead it is part of human development that is assumed to be of god / from god etc.. only because it is so foreign from everyday thought processing it is assumed to god based on our own ignorance of human capability.
As I suspected, the concept of the God spot in a human brain is associated with the non-thinking part often referred to as the lizard brain. But it's not just one spot. God thinking is a complex process that involves rationalization, speculation, and defense of belief. That requires use of different areas of the brain to form a human thought that can be communicated. I can believe that the brain stem facilitates spiritual belief, but it cannot think and reason. Mental gymnastics to support an irrational experience requires higher brain functioning. A God Spot is a nice thought, but religious thought is almost as complicated and flawed as the human brain itself.

Is the “God Spot” Rooted Far Below Our Brain’s Thinking Cap?
 
Trying to explain something as aloof as god is like trying explain how the brain works on each individual. The best answer I can offer is belief in god is an individual choice.
I suspect that would be easier, because there is something tangible to work with.
 
similar..my mother a Catholic born and raised by evil nuns..my father a Protestant...,..I was never baptised, nor were any of my siblings... because my father was anti catholicism

I had my own baptised when she was a baby, .. does that mean we won't meet in heaven ? ..it;s all crazy isn't it ?

I think that is just the morass of institutional religion. Institutional-anything is inferior.
 
So on a day off it was usually off to the woods or waters somewhere.
Would a loving God blame me?
No way if you believe Jeremiah 29:11

Key biblical verses like Jeremiah 29:11 ("For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Woods & water must be the plan right!
 
Working at recovering from my latest medical procedure and I must have had the question of religion on the back of my mind because I decided to ask the internet - tree of knowledge- what did the earliest people on earth worship.
You can find a pretty detailed history of mankind’s beliefs and I thought it was interesting.
One of my grandsons and I were watching a show about some of our Native American tribes from the north east and it mentioned that they believed that early tribes people came down from heaven in the form of a woman on a turtles back.
I jokingly said “ well that sounds about right.”
That got a laugh from my favorite grandson anyway.
 
At the end of the day, believers likely spend time thinking about God, and those that don't believe don't. We can rationalize our ideas and thoughts, but does it really matter day to day?

There is a regimen to religion. A structure. That can help bring people together, can tie communities to a central ideal, and aid in times of struggle. That's a good thing, imo.
 
At the end of the day, believers likely spend time thinking about God, and those that don't believe don't. We can rationalize our ideas and thoughts, but does it really matter day to day?

There is a regimen to religion. A structure. That can help bring people together, can tie communities to a central ideal, and aid in times of struggle. That's a good thing, imo.
There is a flip side to all things good and this why religion has its downside
 
many of our religions around the globe have been functioning for long periods of time - have us clever humans just invented them all to pass away or time and lives? - or is there something bigger and bolder and frightening about it all?
 


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