Graphic Pictures .Death toll in Hawaii climbs to 36 . 271 buildings torched

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The death toll in Hawaii's devastating wildfires has jumped to 36, officials have revealed, making it one of the deadliest disasters in the state's history - as Maui firefighters continue their desperate hunt for survivors in the scorched remains of a town nearly 'wiped off the map'.

All of the deaths were in Lahaina, the worst-affected town which officials said has been 'decimated'. Earlier in the day, Maui's Mayor Richard Bissen announced six people had died and 271 buildings had been torched - a number which could also rise further as the fires have already caused multi-billion dollar damage.

Authorities are struggling to shelter the hundreds of locals and tourists who have been displaced - while President Biden issued federal aid and sent Black Hawks to help douse the unrelenting flames that are fuelled by intense winds near Hawaii.

Democratic Senator for Hawaii, Brian Schatz, revealed that Lahaina has been 'almost totally burnt to the ground' as firefighters made little headway in the battle.

A local resident said what he saw in the town was 'like a warzone', while another person described it as 'utter devastation... It is far from hyperbole to say that Lahaina has been wiped off the map.'

Thousands of tourists vacationing at the popular destination are still stuck on the island and are seeking temporary shelter after being ordered to leave.

Desperate people have been seen hurling themselves into the ocean to escape the blaze that has engulfed the landscape, with dramatic pictures showing parts of the island paradise laid to waste by the infernos.

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Officials are nervously awaiting a presidential declaration of emergency, which they hope will be made in the coming 'hours or days' - as the state estimates it will be facing billions of dollars of structural damage due to the raging infernos.

At a press conference at 9pm on Thursday, Lt. Governor Sylvia Luke said she had flown over Lahaina, a town of 12,000 people, to see the damage with her own eyes.

'[It] was just so shocking and devastating... The whole town was devastated, the whole town was decimated,' she said.

A longtime Maui resident who filmed the scenes of devastation in Lahaina said he left out some footage as it was too graphic to share.

While the official death toll was still at six, Emerson Timmins told local news outlet KHON2 News that he would assume 'it is much, much, much higher'.

Describing what he saw, he said: 'There were cars abandoned on the road, I assume those people couldn't get out in time.

'They probably headed to the ocean, the ones that could make it, and people leaving their homes.

'If a young person could barely get out of there with their family, then the elderly are trapped, those that are handicapped.

'There's no way - those numbers are much higher. It's terrifying, to think about all those families losing their loved ones and their homes.'

As fires closed in all the way up to the shoreline, frantic locals jumped into the water in the harbor to escape the flames. Twelve people were rescued from the waves by boats.

One local told reporters on Wednesday: 'We've still got dead bodies floating on the seawall. They've been sitting there since last night. We've been pulling people out since last night, trying to save peoples' lives.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-hawaii-torched-tourists-shelter-flames.html
 

How did the Maui fire disaster start?​

The fires appear to have burned first in vegetation and then rapidly spread into populated areas as wind gusts of over 60mph rocked the island. The conflagration swept into coastal Lahaina with alarming speed and ferocity, blazing through intersections and leaping across wooden buildings in a town center that dates to the 1700s and is on the National Register of Historic Places.


Residents raced on to crowded roads, some of which were blocked with flaming debris. The US Coast Guard on Tuesday rescued 14 people, including two children, who had jumped into the water to escape.

“This was a classic wildland urban interface fire where there was a vegetation fire but it moved into an urban area and started burning structure to structure,” said the climate scientist Daniel Swain.
 
The pictures are beyond belief. The people must be so devastated. Who would have thought in Hawaii this could happen.
I get a lump in my throat every time I see more news about it.

Can you just imagine this happening to you.. you're at work, or you're out somewhere, and return to find not only everything you own gone..house, car .. and relatives or friends dead... your company may well be gone, so no job now.. everything you know, every road and lane you know.. every park or building you've grown up with.. every school...Gone!!

It's like an Apocalypse :cry:
 
The latest developments and updates as of 8.30 am local time in Hawaii:


Hundreds of dogs, cats and other pets have been separated from their families during the wildfire, according to the animal welfare group, the Maui Humane Society, the AP repots.

The organization is seeking donations and has set up a Maui fire pets help Facebook group for mutual aid.

Some locals are posting desperate pleas and photos of their missing pets, while others have posted images of lost animals they’ve found. The group says it is expecting an inundation of lost pets and is in need of emergency foster homes, pet food and litter and cash support to fund medical care for injured animals. Some are in need of critical care after suffering smoke inhalation, the AP says.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...res-maui-lahainia-search-survivors-evacuation
 
We are hearing a lot about how wild fires are getting worse, often blamed on global warming. There is probably some truth to that, but I suspect development and more people living in fire prone places, as well as allowing fuel build up are as much or more to blame.

I believe the largest wildfire in US history was the Great Fire of 1910, 87 killed and three million acres (4,700 sq mi; 12,100 km2) burned. In Idaho, Montana, Washington, and British Columbia. If that one were to happen today damage would likely be much worse. I fought fires for the Forest Service, summers when in college. Biggest one I remember was over 100,000 acres but not a lot of humans or structures in it's path. That was in the 70s, things have changed.

In Hawaii the combination of drought and hurricane force winds were deadly. An interesting article on the origins of the Maui fire:

What caused the Hawaii wildfires?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66470118
 
We are hearing a lot about how wild fires are getting worse, often blamed on global warming. There is probably some truth to that, but I suspect development and more people living in fire prone places, as well as allowing fuel build up are as much or more to blame.

I believe the largest wildfire in US history was the Great Fire of 1910, 87 killed and three million acres (4,700 sq mi; 12,100 km2) burned. In Idaho, Montana, Washington, and British Columbia. If that one were to happen today damage would likely be much worse. I fought fires for the Forest Service, summers when in college. Biggest one I remember was over 100,000 acres but not a lot of humans or structures in it's path. That was in the 70s, things have changed.

In Hawaii the combination of drought and hurricane force winds were deadly. An interesting article on the origins of the Maui fire:

What caused the Hawaii wildfires?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66470118
There's another article that says ...

"Hurricane Dora helped create a pressure gradient between the north and south of Hawaii that resulted in high winds sweeping across the islands. As the winds flowed down the slopes of mountains the air became hotter and drier, helping rapidly fan the flames.

"Despite having the world's largest integrated outdoor public safety warning system, records show that Hawaii's emergency warning sirens did not sound even as the wildfires closed in on residents.

"Officials sent emergency alerts to mobile phones, radios and televisions, but it remains unclear how many of those warnings reached residents amid power and cell service outages."

Plus, evacuating some 170,000 people off an island within a day is impossible unless you have the necessary infrastructure in place.
 
There's another article that says ...

"Hurricane Dora helped create a pressure gradient between the north and south of Hawaii that resulted in high winds sweeping across the islands. As the winds flowed down the slopes of mountains the air became hotter and drier, helping rapidly fan the flames.

"Despite having the world's largest integrated outdoor public safety warning system, records show that Hawaii's emergency warning sirens did not sound even as the wildfires closed in on residents.

"Officials sent emergency alerts to mobile phones, radios and televisions, but it remains unclear how many of those warnings reached residents amid power and cell service outages."

Plus, evacuating some 170,000 people off an island within a day is impossible unless you have the necessary infrastructure in place.
Yeah dry conditions with a wind like that is a worst case scenario. I have seen a few big fires move like that. Does not move as an even front, it spots and the spots grow together. The spotting is caused by wind carrying flaming debris out in front of the fire. Result is you can quickly find yourself surrounded by fire with no idea where to go... Fortunately the ones I have seen were mostly from a distance with no people in their path.

Makes it hard, even with proper warning, to do a lot. From first ignition to engulfing the town could happen in literally minutes... Not sure if that was the case in Maui, but something like it probably was.

I once found myself in that zone with fire on all sides, fortunately it was getting dark and the wind dying down. I was able to find some black, where the fire had already passed, to get into.
 
Yeah dry conditions with a wind like that is a worst case scenario. I have seen a few big fires move like that. Does not move as an even front, it spots and the spots grow together. The spotting is caused by wind carrying flaming debris out in front of the fire. Result is you can quickly find yourself surrounded by fire with no idea where to go... Fortunately the ones I have seen were mostly from a distance with no people in their path.

Makes it hard, even with proper warning, to do a lot. From first ignition to engulfing the town could happen in literally minutes... Not sure if that was the case in Maui, but something like it probably was.

I once found myself in that zone with fire on all sides, fortunately it was getting dark and the wind dying down. I was able to find some black, where the fire had already passed, to get into.
I had to drive out of Paradise (CA) during a major fire in 2011 or 12, and there was fire raging on both sides of the only 2 roads leading out. Luckily, I chose the road with the least traffic....although, it was only 2 lanes, so it was a tough choice but I correctly assumed most people were taking the 4-lane Skyway.

And, yeah, these were spot-fires. Dozens of them. The original fire was a good 15 miles away but it was uphill and Paradise was downwind. Burning embers were raining down on the town willy-nilly within a couple hours of it starting.
 
So many are noting / complaining about the emergency sirens ... my question is.

Educate me if I have it wrong ... Hawaii has Tsunami warnings and Hurricane warnings correct ?

If they sound the Tsunami warming the reaction is to run in land ? Toward the fire.

Same with the Hurricane warning run inland to avoid storm-surge ? .... Toward the fire.

And , as I heard it, due to the fire the power was out .... including generators. So how would these warnings be sounded ?

I think some folks are just looking for something / someone to blame ?

Heard reports that lightning likely started it ... and then the wind [some as fast as 80mph] just took it from there.
 
There is a lawsuit against the 4 power companies for not taking proper preparation steps by cutting power prior to the high winds. The claim states that there was warning given to the power companies and suggestions that they cut all power to the area.
Also, the governor blamed it on climate change......funny...nothing like pushing an agenda in the face of a disaster.
 
There is a lawsuit against the 4 power companies for not taking proper preparation steps by cutting power prior to the high winds. The claim states that there was warning given to the power companies and suggestions that they cut all power to the area.
I have some experience with hurricanes and power. You want your power to stay on as much as possible.

A hurricane is a warm core storm, the winds are warm so losing air conditioning is quite unpleasant, the house gets dark, hot and muggy pretty quickly. Without power and AC people are tempted to open windows, a bad idea in a hurricane. Also losing power to refrigerators and freezers causes damage. And anyone relying on a well would lose power to the pump, reducing firefighting ability. So had the storm hit without fire, as happens 99+% of the time people would be complaining, and maybe suing the power companies for turning the power off.

The lawyers will always find a way to make $ off of tragedy... And I am not sure turning the power off would have made any difference. I have seen nothing suggesting the power system caused the fire.
 
I have some experience with hurricanes and power. You want your power to stay on as much as possible.

A hurricane is a warm core storm, the winds are warm so losing air conditioning is quite unpleasant, the house gets dark, hot and muggy pretty quickly. Without power and AC people are tempted to open windows, a bad idea in a hurricane. Also losing power to refrigerators and freezers causes damage. And anyone relying on a well would lose power to the pump, reducing firefighting ability. So had the storm hit without fire, as happens 99+% of the time people would be complaining, and maybe suing the power companies for turning the power off.

The lawyers will always find a way to make $ off of tragedy... And I am not sure turning the power off would have made any difference. I have seen nothing suggesting the power system caused the fire.
Sure, I get it. Its not the best idea to shut off power for the reasons you described, but given the outcome it surely needs to be explored if electrical fires added to the destruction. No AC, food going bad in freezers, are inconveniences based on the outcome.
I know nothing about how electricity plays into these types of events, but I'm sure the lawyers are going after the ones with the deepest pockets.
'Monday morning quarterbacks' are always the worse!
 
I lived In Hawaii for several years on the Big Island. Brush fires are common, but nothing like this one

My first prayer is for the remaining families of those who lost their lives. Family is the center of Hawaiian culture. God Bless them all. May they rest in eternal peace.

Second prayer is for those whose loses are of house and home and other material items. There are not a lot of existing homes available and they are all priced very high. Building a new house is not an easy thing since almost every thing you need has to come on a ship from the mainland. And of course you will be in a long line. I don’t know what they can do in the meantime. So my prayers to them.
 


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