GREECE... is this the beginng of the end for the Euro... and the EU???

Obviously,I'm talking about the general election, which we have every five years..

the one that chooses the Prime Minister...?

I vote, and I put an X next to the PARTY .

OAKAPPLLE:

YOU SEEM TO BE A VERY SENSIBLE SORT OF THINKER...

"Elyzabeth, it's just the way things are done here, and it's served us well for a long time. It allows people to not get 'hung up' on a personality, but to concentrate more on the policies of a party.We all know who heads that particular party when we vote in a general election.It matters that we agree with at least most of a party's policies when we vote, it doesn't really matter if we like the leader or not [we can never REALLY know what they are like after all.]Far better that the party itself choose it's own leader, as they know them better than we ever will."

However , perhaps if things were done differently, we would be having a referendum on the EU?

INSTED OF IT BEING USED AS A POLITICAL LOLLIPOP!
 
Elyzabeth, you don't get to choose the Prime Minister in the UK. Nor do we in Australia although our current PM keeps telling us that we do.

You only vote for your local representative. The party or coalition that has enough seats in the parliament is asked to form a government by Her Majesty (in Australia, her representative, the Governor General) That party or coalition nominates their leader, who is appointed PM by the Queen. The party or coalition can remove their leader at any time without reference to the voters.

We look like seeing an"elected" prime minister removed from office very soon because he has become an electoral liability to his party and coalition partners. There is a tussle going on in the Northern Territory as the ruling coalition tries to remove their leader. Over here politics is never boring.
 

Elyzabeth said:
Obviously,I'm talking about the general election, which we have every five years..

the one that chooses the Prime Minister...?

I vote, and I put an X next to the PARTY .

OAKAPPLLE:

YOU SEEM TO BE A VERY SENSIBLE SORT OF THINKER...

"Elyzabeth, it's just the way things are done here, and it's served us well for a long time. It allows people to not get 'hung up' on a personality, but to concentrate more on the policies of a party.We all know who heads that particular party when we vote in a general election.It matters that we agree with at least most of a party's policies when we vote, it doesn't really matter if we like the leader or not [we can never REALLY know what they are like after all.]Far better that the party itself choose it's own leader, as they know them better than we ever will."

However , perhaps if things were done differently, we would be having a referendum on the EU?

INSTED OF IT BEING USED AS A POLITICAL LOLLIPOP!
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Elyzabeth I am also talking of the general election or any election come to that, we do not have to vote for a particular party, my cross goes next to the name I think can serve my constituancy best irregardless of the party he/she is standing for...................but then again what do I know ( or any of the other U.K. members come to that), when you put your twenty years of living in the U.K. up against my 72 years.
 
There are no names when I vote in the general election here....???

Only putting an X in the box next to the party.

I understand how this government works.

I am in the unique position of proudly being both an American citizen as well as proudly being A Citizen of the UK.

People in this country haven't a clue what a real, American ballot looks like..

it is long and the last vote by mail I made came with a booklet 85 pages long about the people up for election, including judges
and many other positions... even to who should be in charge of the electoral system in our state..
as well as amendments to the state constitution, and where should be spent in my city.

You need to be very informed to vote in America..

I showed an English friend my ballot and he was extremely surprised..
even made a copy of it to show to other people
 
Elyzabeth if there are no names on the ballot paper then there is something wrong in your constituancy...............in my constituancy not only are the names of the candidates and the party they are standing for showing on the ballot paper but the local paper also have a two-three page spread on all the names of the candidates, the parties they are standing for and their policies plus a little of their personal lives.

I don't wish to know how an American ballot looks like and to be honest if I received an 85 page booklet it would be binned and I doubt if I would bother to vote on that basis.

I am very satisfied with our voting system and do not wish to copy any other country.
 
Thanks very much for that Pam.

Hopefully that will stop the confusion and misunderstanding now.
 
BACK TO GREECE!

OF COURSE THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE AUSTERITY PROGRAMS IMPOSED ON THEM....

TERRIBLY SAD THE GREEK PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING SO MUCH !

THEY ARE TRYING TO STAY WARM BY BURNING ANYTHING WOOD..

FOOD IS IN SHORT SUPPLY FOR MANY PEOPLE,

I DON'T THINK WE REALIZE JUST HOW BAD THE SITUATION IS OVER THERE.



no I'm not "Yelling" caps got stuck
 
Some of us do, Elyzabeth; but if they persuaded their previous government to pay taxes; and their high earners; and sorted out their public sector, life wouldn't be quite so bad..
a lot of the Greek 'elite' have been not quite strait for years...and they never should have joined the euro....
 
True, they never should have been allowed to join the EU !

however THERE IS A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS GOING ON OVER THERE

HUNGRY CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WITHOUT HEAT.... THEY NEED SOME HELP
 
Now the European Central Bank has cut off supplying
money to Greek Banks.

That should cause some fireworks.

Mike.
 
Greece now again hunting for World War II reparations from Germany. Apparently their miffed they're not getting all they want from the EU. But in years past Germany has been one of the biggest contributors to the EU for which Greece was a big benefactor.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324474004578443081332166430

They've gotten numerous settlements over the years and still have some suits in the courts. One of the biggest issues was a forced loan to Germany in 1942 along with a massacre in 1944.

I can see any survivors from WWII getting reparations or if they trace back property & artifacts back to WWII Germans but I think most countries realize they got about all they are going to get out of Germany.
 
Well this discussion went well,lol

My thoughts on Greece:

I have lived in Canada for 29 years.and in Greece before that,every year I file my inncome tax,not only here,but in Greece too.I pay my taxes in both countries.

I'm sure it happens everywhere but I think the problem starts with the government in Greece.there are no rules and now everyone is suffering,the whole country is suffering.

When there are no rules and no consiquences,then this is where you end up.

The people (not all mind you) took advantage of that.they built homes or 'storage space' (which they would rent for money and all that was under the table)without a licence!
They had pools in their homes without payingg taxes and I could go on and on,they lived above their means and ofcourse if people don't pay taxes how is a country to survive?
Now,the government is trying to make up of so many years? Good luck!

I would prefer Greece goes back to the Drachma and gets out of EU.
 
I do hope that this is the end of the EU Elyzabeth.
I could go on a rampant rage and talk for England on this one. which would have some here wanting to pulverise me :playful:.
I am just hoping that we vote to come OUT of the EU in the forthcoming vote, so amongst other things, we can have our sovereignty back. ;)
Plus our Fish!
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boozercruiser said:
I do hope that this is the end of the EU Elyzabeth.
I could go on a rampant rage and talk for England on this one. which would have some here wanting to pulverise me :playful:.
I am just hoping that we vote to come OUT of the EU in the forthcoming vote, so amongst other things, we can have our sovereignty back. ;)
Plus our Fish!
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Aawww,who is stealing your fish? I could call my cousins in Greece to send you some.

Rotflmao
 
It is interesting reading this thread...and shows the pros and cons of united Europe..which to me is kind of a very idealistic thing with lots of pie in the sky but at the end of the day each country has its own POV. I think a country's national identity is going to trump any idea of we're all one big happy family...and therin lies the rub.
 
Karen99 said:
It is interesting reading this thread...and shows the pros and cons of united Europe..which to me is kind of a very idealistic thing with lots of pie in the sky but at the end of the day each country has its own POV. I think a country's national identity is going to trump any idea of we're all one big happy family...and therin lies the rub.
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I agree with you Karen,if the EU is to be a united one,it can't have some countries slacking while the rest pick up the tab.
I love Greece,its who I am but that is the truth.its a country which is suffering from gov mistakes and the people are paying for it.
 
vickyNightowl said:
Aawww,who is stealing your fish? I could call my cousins in Greece to send you some.

Rotflmao
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The thing is Vicky, our fishermen cannot now fish in waters they used to, including our waters.
I appreciate of course that everyone and his mother just cannot be allowed to fish where they want and when they want because of fish conservation.
The thing is, OUR fishermen are made to abide by the rules, which has meant our fishing industry going down the pan.
Some other EU members, and countries outside of the EU don't keep to the rules, and there is the rub.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6092/the_eu_s_betrayal_of_britain_s_fishing_industry

The EU’s betrayal of Britain’s fishing industry
The EU's fisheries policies have been a disaster for Britain, destroying communities along our coasts.
We should emulate Greenland, get out of the EU as soon as possible, and revive one of our greatest industries.
 
boozercruiser said:
The thing is Vicky, our fishermen cannot now fish in waters they used to, including our waters.
I appreciate of course that everyone and his mother just cannot be allowed to fish where they want and when they want because of fish conservation.
The thing is, OUR fishermen are made to abide by the rules, which has meant our fishing industry going down the pan.
Some other EU members, and countries outside of the EU don't keep to the rules, and there is the rub.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6092/the_eu_s_betrayal_of_britain_s_fishing_industry

The EU’s betrayal of Britain’s fishing industry
The EU's fisheries policies have been a disaster for Britain, destroying communities along our coasts.
We should emulate Greenland, get out of the EU as soon as possible, and revive one of our greatest industries.
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You made it out to be a joke on your last post.


I have to agree with you on getting out of the EU.like I said ,some coutries are picking up the tab for others.
 
In a hypothetical sense the EU could be equated to the federal government and the countries to the individual states or cities. If these individual locations need extra money they need to raise it themselves. Many big cities have a sales tax 2-3% higher than the state. Many states have an income tax and/or a higher one at that. Also states have different laws, if one wants to do business in a particular state or city those are the rules. One size does not fit all. Greece has needed to become more self sufficient for a long time. I think now especially with the refugee influx they see the need for more independence and not worry about what others want.
 

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