Greece Plans to Fine everyone over 60 for every month they're not vaccinated

Becky1951 said:
So only those over 60 years old should be fined?

What about all the under 60 year Olds?

They don't cost any money?

What about the breakthrough cases that need treatment, they don't cost any money?

Singling out one specific group of people is discrimination and doing to those with the least income is criminal IMO.

It's elderly abuse.
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Following your logic, "What about all the under 60-year-olds?" So everyone should receive Social Security regardless of age? Why can't 14-year-olds get a license to drive? Reasoned thinking be trashed in favor of what 'you' think is 'fair'. Forget about science, logic, and the reasoning of societal laws. But what about this and what about that you ask? Everyone throws these "what abouts" in only to confuse the issue. Stay focused people, it's not that hard. Whether it's here or in Greece, you are either part of the solution or part of the problem. You decide.
 

Skyking said:
Following your logic, "What about all the under 60-year-olds?" So everyone should receive Social Security regardless of age? Why can't 14-year-olds get a license to drive? Reasoned thinking be trashed in favor of what 'you' think is 'fair'. Forget about science, logic, and the reasoning of societal laws. But what about this and what about that you ask? Everyone throws these "what abouts" in only to confuse the issue. Stay focused people, it's not that hard. Whether it's here or in Greece, you are either part of the solution or part of the problem. You decide.
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I never said under 60 years olds should get Social Security. 🙄

Under 60 year olds should be fined just as over 60 year olds. To single out one age group is unfair and discrimination.
 
HEY! I smell age discrimination. Why not fine everybody? Why pick on the seniors? Oh those naughty smartphone hugging millennials are at it again! Not only are they waiting for us to die so they can get our wealth but they are already trying to grab the cash while we are still breathing. It sure doesn't sound right to me!
 
This "Greek" policy may be just the start of what is coming. As this Omicron spreads wildly, I suspect we will be seeing similar measures from many nations. I fully agree that targeting an "age group" is wrong....ALL ages should be included if such a measure is going to have any real effect.

By late January/early February, we will be seeing all sorts of measures being proposed/implemented to try to slow down what may be the biggest surge of this virus, to date.
 
fmdog44 said:
I can't bring myself to care about what is happening in other countries during these times.
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We don't have a choice of "ignoring" what is happening in other nations. With all the global travel, what happens in another nation ultimately also occurs here. Just a day, or two, ago, the first Omicron death was reported....NEAR Houston. The best we can do is observe what is happening in other nations, and learn lessons from their experiences that may lessen the impact here.
 
Packerjohn said:
HEY! I smell age discrimination. Why not fine everybody? Why pick on the seniors? Oh those naughty smartphone hugging millennials are at it again! Not only are they waiting for us to die so they can get our wealth but they are already trying to grab the cash while we are still breathing. It sure doesn't sound right to me!
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With all respect, and I mean that...Because IF YOU FOLLOW THE SCIENCE the hospitalization/death rate goes way up in the elderly. And, just like the elderly can suffer at the hands of so many scamsters they can sometimes get easily led down rabbit hole reasoning like yours. This isn't about age discrimination or politics. It's about survival. We gave you science and a vaccine, but you are hoping for luck, so, good luck and God bless friend, you'll need some of both.
 
Skyking said:
With all respect, and I mean that...Because IF YOU FOLLOW THE SCIENCE the hospitalization/death rate goes way up in the elderly. And, just like the elderly can suffer at the hands of so many scamsters they can sometimes get easily led down rabbit hole reasoning like yours. This isn't about age discrimination or politics. It's about survival. We gave you science and a vaccine, but you are hoping for luck, so, good luck and God bless friend, you'll need some of both.
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Intelligent people follow the money and the science.
 
Don M. said:
I think "government intervention" is going to increase, with regard to this virus. Joe Biden is scheduled to deliver a statement Tuesday, with a "Stark Warning". I won't be surprised if this is the beginning of more restrictions, lockdowns, etc. I usually don't pay much attention to these political speeches, but I may just try to watch
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win231 said:
Intelligent people follow the money and the science.
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And the powers that be get to hide documents 55 years.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...e-pfizer-vaccine-data-for-55-years/ar-AAQUufd
 
Are not all these restrictions suppose to end when a certain threshold of public vaccination is reached?
I am of that understanding.
From what I have seen, we have been lied to from the outset.
We were told that being double vaccinated we would be free of all the limitations.
Lies. I am due for the booster shot, yet it seems like I will still be in a lock down situation when the opportunity arises. I will still have to wear a mask, I will still have to sign in where ever I go.
Well at least I do not have a smart phone and I am not signing in anywhere. As there is no virus here in Perth.
But with the state about to reopen to the world, All those restrictions will be reimplemented.
 
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Bretrick said:
Are not all these restrictions suppose to end when a certain threshold of public vaccination is reached?
I am of that understanding.
From what I have seen, we have been lied to from the outset.
We were told that being double vaccinated we would be free of all the limitations.
Lies. I am due for the booster shot, yet it seems like I will still be in a lock down situation when the opportunity arises. I will still have to wear a mask, I will still have to sign in where ever I go.
Well at least I do not have a smart phone and I am not signing in anywhere. As there is no virus here in Perth.
But with the state about to reopen to the world, All those restrictions will be reimplemented.
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LOL - Los Angeles just reported 6,609 new cases today - double what was reported yesterday. If that's true, the vaccines are an obvious failure.
If that's not true, well, ya know that new Pfizer drug they just invented to treat Covid? They timed it just right. $$$$$$
 
Bretrick said:
Are not all these restrictions suppose to end when a certain threshold of public vaccination is reached?
I am of that understanding.
From what I have seen, we have been lied to from the outset.
We were told that being double vaccinated we would be free of all the limitations.
Lies. I am due for the booster shot, yet it seems like I will still be in a lock down situation when the opportunity arises. I will still have to wear a mask, I will still have to sign in where ever I go.
Well at least I do not have a smart phone and I am not signing in anywhere. As there is no virus here in Perth.
But with the state about to reopen to the world, All those restrictions will be reimplemented.
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They must have sent Fauci & Biden doubles to Australia to feed the same BS about "Getting vaccinated so we can get back to normal." 😂
 
win231 said:
LOL - Los Angeles just reported 6,609 new cases today - double what was reported yesterday. If that's true, the vaccines are an obvious failure.
If that's not true, well, ya know that new Pfizer drug they just invented to treat Covid? They timed it just right. $$$$$$
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And Moderna had a contract with the U.S. government dated 2015 for a vaccine to treat Sars virus so our govt. co-owns their vaccine which may explain why they continue to push it. It seems the vaccine was not developed to treat the virus but perhaps the virus was unleashed to implement the vaccine mandate?
 
Bretrick said:
Are not all these restrictions suppose to end when a certain threshold of public vaccination is reached?
I am of that understanding.
From what I have seen, we have been lied to from the outset.
We were told that being double vaccinated we would be free of all the limitations.
Lies. I am due for the booster shot, yet it seems like I will still be in a lock down situation when the opportunity arises. I will still have to wear a mask, I will still have to sign in where ever I go.
Well at least I do not have a smart phone and I am not signing in anywhere. As there is no virus here in Perth.
But with the state about to reopen to the world, All those restrictions will be reimplemented.
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Yes, we have all been lied to. How are things in Perth? 🤔
 
Bretrick said:
2 hours ago the Premier announced that a backpacker from Queensland arrived in Perth and tested positive to Covid.
Possibly the Delta strain.
As a result masks have become mandatory indoors from 6 pm tonight until 6 am Tuesday. Not in the home.
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Our governor issued an indoor mask recommendation yesterday because of Omicron for everyone including fully vaccinated and boostered. I feared something like this would happen. :oops:
 
win231 said:
LOL - Los Angeles just reported 6,609 new cases today - double what was reported yesterday. If that's true, the vaccines are an obvious failure.
If that's not true, well, ya know that new Pfizer drug they just invented to treat Covid? They timed it just right. $$$$$$
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To the best of my understanding, the vaccine neither prevents, to a 100% certainty, nor kills the virus. What it does is prevent the virus from killing you or putting you in intensive care only to fight for your life. Omicron is, so far, less severe but like the common cold, it is much more contagious, which explains the positive test rate going up. The booster is necessary to more than double the omicron antibody level.
 
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Skyking, that's a good summary of what we are hearing on the news all day, every day. Telling the obvious truth about this makes no difference to the followers of those who planted the idea that this is not a serious disease, then switched to the idea that, well, maybe it is but the vaccine is useless. (Starting with the former President who just got his own booster, but his followers, like sheep, are desperately thrashing around looking for reasons not to get vaccinated.)

For those who are so hung up on how much money the pharmaceutical companies are making, I wonder, are they constantly carrying on in social media about all the money being made from vaccines against flu, TB, pneumonia, shingles, etc.? Only this one vaccine?

And chic, you should turn to writing science fiction. The virus was deliberately unleashed by Moderna and the U.S. government to kill off millions of people so they could sell more of the vaccine which isn't really a vaccine, but is really a poison? And the entire rest of the world went along with it? Wow! Who are you thinking of to star in the movie?
 
chic said:
Our governor issued an indoor mask recommendation yesterday because of Omicron for everyone including fully vaccinated and boostered. I feared something like this would happen. :oops:
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yes it was to be expected, given the rest of the western world pretty much, have already been ordered to do the same.. . and European countries have people wearing them outside as well as indoors.. and also some have gone back to service only outdoors at restaurants et al :( Boris J has said we can have Christmas in England with no mandates other than the wearing of masks.. no lockdowns etc.. but on Boxing day he will re-evaluate it, and it looks highly likely he will take a different stance for the New Year celebrations
 
Sunny said:
Skyking, that's a good summary of what we are hearing on the news all day, every day.


I agree, Sunny.
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For those who think the drug companies are getting rich off these vaccines, they should do some research on how much these shots are costing the government. The prices being charged vary between $4 and $19.50 per shot. Full protection, for most, is less than $50. Compare that to the price of most other prescription drugs, and you can see where the drug companies are making their billions in profits...Not from Covid.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3049901/how-much-does-pfizer-covid-vaccine-cost/
 
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Skyking said:
To the best of my understanding, the vaccine neither prevents, to a 100% certainty, nor kills the virus. What it does is prevent the virus from killing you or putting you in intensive care only to fight for your life. Omicron is, so far, less severe but like the common cold, it is much more contagious, which explains the positive test rate going up. The booster is necessary to more than double the omicron antibody level.
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Yes.....and the flu shot won't prevent the flu but it makes your flu shorter..... :ROFLMAO:
 
Sunny said:
Skyking, that's a good summary of what we are hearing on the news all day, every day. Telling the obvious truth about this makes no difference to the followers of those who planted the idea that this is not a serious disease, then switched to the idea that, well, maybe it is but the vaccine is useless. (Starting with the former President who just got his own booster, but his followers, like sheep, are desperately thrashing around looking for reasons not to get vaccinated.)

For those who are so hung up on how much money the pharmaceutical companies are making, I wonder, are they constantly carrying on in social media about all the money being made from vaccines against flu, TB, pneumonia, shingles, etc.? Only this one vaccine?

And chic, you should turn to writing science fiction. The virus was deliberately unleashed by Moderna and the U.S. government to kill off millions of people so they could sell more of the vaccine which isn't really a vaccine, but is really a poison? And the entire rest of the world went along with it? Wow! Who are you thinking of to star in the movie?
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Well said, but don't forget the current President and Vice President who at the debates very publicly said that they wouldn't trust any vaccine developed under the then-current administration. That didn't help boost public confidence either. As for me and my family, we are just thankful for the vaccine. We are thankful to be part of the solution and not the problem.
 
Don M. said:
For those who think the drug companies are getting rich off these vaccines, they should do some research on how much these shots are costing the government. The prices being charged vary between $4 and $19.50 per shot. Full protection, for most, is less than $50. Compare that to the price of most other prescription drugs, and you can see where the drug companies are making their billions in profits...Not from Covid.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3049901/how-much-does-pfizer-covid-vaccine-cost/
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Thats why they are printing more money. Where and who do you think will bare and is bearing the brunt of all these antics and orders to us the people.
 

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