Gunman shoots 7 in Denver, kills 4 including a police officer

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Four people were killed and three injured, including a police officer, in a series of shootings that authorities described as a “killing spree” in the Denver and Lakewood, Colo., area.
The suspected shooter was also killed, while an officer of the Lakewood Police Department was undergoing surgery late Monday, Lakewood police spokesman John Romero said at a news conference.

Law enforcement officials stressed that the investigation was ongoing and details were limited, but that they believed the shootings were the work of one person and the community faced no further threats.
The alleged shooter’s identity was not revealed, and officials said they did not know the motive.

Police said the rampage appeared to have begun about 5 p.m. local time in central Denver, where three people were shot. Two women died, and one man was injured.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/28/denver-lakewood-colorado-shootings-police/
 

Very very sad indeed. No one noticed the shooter had the propensity do do something like this beforehand. Well I don't know if anyone had a clue this would happen.
 
hollydolly said:
..absolutely ...same where I live, certainly not usual
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Warrigal said:
There is where I live.
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Where Holly & I live you can go a complete lifetime and never see a firearm. Not in a holster on the waist of a police officer, nor in the holster of the waist of a security guard. In fact you simply will not see a firearm. Oops, yes you will. The US have military bases in the UK, if you were to visit one of those bases you would have to report to the guard on the gate, he would more than likely be sporting some sort of oversized, holster enclosed, hand hold, superior cannon. hand gun.jpg
It was enough to scare the sh*t out of me!
 
Not usual up where I live either.
Now in the big city, almost every night / day there are shootings. Deaths. It is a common thing, I do see guns up this way but they are mostly long guns. Legal mostly, (I think) lol
 
Ruthanne said:
Very very sad indeed. No one noticed the shooter had the propensity do do something like this beforehand. Well I don't know if anyone had a clue this would happen.
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It all seems to repeat itself .........I refuse to even watch any interviews with those who Knew them etc.....
they probably had a clue something was off but did not do anything.
Most would not say or do anything because even if they knew this person may snap they do not want a target on their forehead. I think most of us can understand self preservation.

Watch any real crime show that reviews various cases ...... so many neighbors/ friends etc come out of the woodwork to say "wow this was way off ".... that is easy to say with 20/20 hindsight.

As @donm said well known to police even means nothing .... many of worst criminals/ serial killers are or have been investigated before....

I think we can look at entertainment or games for real life disconnect......
where you shoot or stab etc ..........maybe they think there is a reset button and all characters stand up and they can re-do.

Look at the popularity of movies like the John Wick series or even Yellowstone series............. no follow up that even if you shot someone in self defense everything is not back to normal in the morning .....
there are investigations and even sometimes court to clarify a situation
not just next episode..... no one remembers the shootout... no damage in walls or cars etc. Guess they have a good glass replacement service.

a small bandage to fix the main characters wound that would have required months of recovery.
I know it sounds crazy but some simply believe that what they see on tv/ videos and movies are real not make believe OR they are trying for suicide by cop.... that actually is tried more then we know .... set up a situation an officer shoots and the mental ill person is painted as victim not the provoking party.
maybe that is a way family can collect any life insurance on a suicidal person make it look like it is not what it is.
 
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horseless carriage said:
Where Holly & I live you can go a complete lifetime and never see a firearm. Not in a holster on the waist of a police officer, nor in the holster of the waist of a security guard. In fact you simply will not see a firearm. Oops, yes you will. The US have military bases in the UK, if you were to visit one of those bases you would have to report to the guard on the gate, he would more than likely be sporting some sort of oversized, holster enclosed, hand hold, superior cannon. View attachment 201147
It was enough to scare the sh*t out of me!
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You've mentioned this before. If you find that the fact that a guard at a US military base wears a handgun to be so disturbing, I suggest that you not visit such bases. The UK has had more than its share of terror attacks and if I ran a base I would certainly insist that the gatekeepers be armed. Or you could arrange for the US to remove its bases and make your own defense arrangements, which would be fine with me.

The photo has nothing to do with military weaponry, btw.
 
It is now up to 6, including the gunman.

"Matt Clark, commander of the Denver Police Department's Major Crimes Division, said during a Tuesday news conference that the suspect, Lyndon James McCleod, 47, was on the radar of law enforcement and that he knew some of his victims.

Denver Police Chief Paul Pazen did not say what authorities had investigated McCleod for in the past, but noted no charges were filed."
 
I'm always sad hearing these accounts of shootings on civilians who ar just going about their day, but as it is reality I think a factual report is worth knowing. Not that I could do anything about them, just that I may make more informed decisions or use better comman sense given these realities.

My first shock at seeing guns was getting off the plane in Rome Italy and seeing the airport stocked with lots of goodlooking armed uniformed men. I was surprised many times in Europe by the amount of guns carried in public places by the armed forces and police. At that time, the 90's, guns weren't carried visibly in North America. I still feel a little shocked every time I see a person who is armed.
 
JimBob1952 said:
You've mentioned this before. If you find that the fact that a guard at a US military base wears a handgun to be so disturbing, I suggest that you not visit such bases. The UK has had more than its share of terror attacks and if I ran a base I would certainly insist that the gatekeepers be armed. Or you could arrange for the US to remove its bases and make your own defense arrangements, which would be fine with me.

The photo has nothing to do with military weaponry, btw.
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The photo looks like an advert for women to wear guns for stylish reasons. Disgusting imo.
 
JimBob1952 said:
You've mentioned this before. If you find that the fact that a guard at a US military base wears a handgun to be so disturbing, I suggest that you not visit such bases. The UK has had more than its share of terror attacks and if I ran a base I would certainly insist that the gatekeepers be armed. Or you could arrange for the US to remove its bases and make your own defense arrangements, which would be fine with me.

The photo has nothing to do with military weaponry, btw.
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I agree and it is not just US bases, guards on the gates of UK bases are always armed.
In fact most civilian air ports have armed guards in strategic positions.
 
This is such an everyday occurrence that I was at our local mall many months ago and the sirens and announcement to evacuate the went off and everyone was running outside. Many said it was an "active shooter" situation. Turns out it was a guy banging a skateboard on the floor of the mall near Macy's. Sad that we are all so programed this way. :(
 
dseag2 said:
This is such an everyday occurrence that I was at our local mall many months ago and the sirens and announcement to evacuate the went off and everyone was running outside. Many said it was an "active shooter" situation. Turns out it was a guy banging a skateboard on the floor of the mall near Macy's. Sad that we are all so programed this way. :(
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Unfortunately better to be safe then sorry.
In my area some group of young men think loud mufflers that often have backfires are cool or something.
Some folks just assume oh it is a car when in fact the place we were passing had an active shooter.
 
JimBob1952 said:
You've mentioned this before. If you find that the fact that a guard at a US military base wears a handgun to be so disturbing, I suggest that you not visit such bases. The UK has had more than its share of terror attacks and if I ran a base I would certainly insist that the gatekeepers be armed. Or you could arrange for the US to remove its bases and make your own defense arrangements, which would be fine with me.

The photo has nothing to do with military weaponry, btw.
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You are right on both accounts. I do not visit the military bases, other than, as in the reason for posting, it was part of my job at the time.
On the second reason, I did see firearms similar to the one that I posted, but the one that the young teenage guard was sporting was straight out of a John Wayne movie.

Forgive me for sounding ungrateful, but if the US bases were removed from UK soil, I would react in the same way as yourself, fine by me.
 
Alice November said:
I'm always sad hearing these accounts of shootings on civilians who ar just going about their day, but as it is reality I think a factual report is worth knowing. Not that I could do anything about them, just that I may make more informed decisions or use better comman sense given these realities.

My first shock at seeing guns was getting off the plane in Rome Italy and seeing the airport stocked with lots of goodlooking armed uniformed men. I was surprised many times in Europe by the amount of guns carried in public places by the armed forces and police. At that time, the 90's, guns weren't carried visibly in North America. I still feel a little shocked every time I see a person who is armed.
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I was in Rome in '85 and had the same reaction to seeing military on the streets and in the airport armed with very nasty looking automatic rifles. However, it was a time when planes were being hijacked by groups like the Baader Meinhof and not long after we returned home a massacre took place in Rome airport at the same counter where we had checked in on our return journey. It would have been like shooting fish in a barrel. The trouble was that even with heavily armed guards, the terrorists were still successful in killing their targets.
 
horseless carriage said:
You are right on both accounts. I do not visit the military bases, other than, as in the reason for posting, it was part of my job at the time.
On the second reason, I did see firearms similar to the one that I posted, but the one that the young teenage guard was sporting was straight out of a John Wayne movie.

Forgive me for sounding ungrateful, but if the US bases were removed from UK soil, I would react in the same way as yourself, fine by me.
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Of course, you could always visit Parliament if you want to see some impressive weaponry. From the Observer in 2017:

"Since the fatal attack on British Parliament two weeks ago, armed police have been placed at every entrance. Security insiders have told The Observer that the reason PC Keith Palmer was guarding New Palace Yard unarmed was due to fears that guns might ruin tourist photos.

Palmer was a retired gunner who served in The Royal Regiment of Artillery and was familiar with a range of high-powered weapons. Despite this, he was not armed and had to face Khalid Masood with little to protect himself or Parliament. He was killed with two knives, wielded by the terrorist who had multiple convictions for knife crimes."
 
JimBob, you make some strong arguments, but the fact remains that it's the British police themselves who wish to remain unarmed. It's best we leave the subject now because it's bordering on political choice and that will get the thread locked and probably, my wrist slapped. But if you want to see a very good report about arming our police, or not, you would do well to take a look at this NBC study.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/why-london-won-t-arm-all-police-despite-severe-terror-n737551
 
horseless carriage said:
JimBob, you make some strong arguments, but the fact remains that it's the British police themselves who wish to remain unarmed. It's best we leave the subject now because it's bordering on political choice and that will get the thread locked and probably, my wrist slapped. But if you want to see a very good report about arming our police, or not, you would do well to take a look at this NBC study.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/why-london-won-t-arm-all-police-despite-severe-terror-n737551
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I'm not arguing. What works in the UK is not going to work in the US as you know. I'm glad you enjoy lower rates of violent crime and don't have to suffer from the prevalence of legal and illegal firearms which plague us here.
 

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