Guy, rtransgener,

KATYBUG: It is terrible when you lose a great hairdresser & friend. your gay or your not gay doesn't bloody matter!
My wife used to work with aids patients, in the early days when aids was first known.
we lost a few so called friends, as they thought they may catch aids from us.
She worked at St John of God Hospital in Sydney.
Fern: I've been hit on by both gay men & women, Half the time it is just a joke there having a go at you
The men well, I just blow them a kiss & say sorry I'm taken. The women I say come on & then they decline.:rofl:
 

GDad,
Fern: I've been hit on by both gay men & women, Half the time it is just a joke there having a go at you
The men well, I just blow them a kiss & say sorry I'm taken. The women I say come on & then they decline
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Didn't you say that gays aren't interested in heterosexuals. If they weren't interested, then would they be bothered.! What do you get from sexually joking around, all about their prowess!
My hubby knew how to handle the guy next door when he was propositioned at a neighbourly get together, just by giving hand signals on size, as was being done to him, (take it as you will) hubby hasn't been bothered since.;)

katybug;
If it bothers you, I would avoid them just like I did with that woman for the rest of the evening. I'm thinking you may be like I am and don't like being in uncomfortable situations.
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Not possible to avoid them when walking the street/s or in the library. I can handle being in an uncomfortable situation, it's the gall of them that I don't appreciate. Now if it was a guy, then that is a different matter .:D
Again, not wanting to start an argument, just state my opinion...but who in the hell would CHOOSE to be gay,
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The above remark surprises me. It's commonplace that men/women are making that choice, more so than you think, some because they have come out of a 'bad' hetero relationship and they want the 'experience' others want to be in a bi relationship, all the more the merrier, some I know have tried that but later on in life have settled for one partner of either sex.
Then there are the 'true' gays, (born that way) who I believe are not as prevalent as you would think.
It's obvious to me that we are in a sexual revolution, if that's the way (some) people want to live, that's their choice but don't expect me to enjoy being come on to by my own sex. And that is MY choice.
 
That Guy said:
Homophobia is a sad condition. Homosexuals have no interest in heterosexuals and nobody's gonna jump yer bones. Relax and be friendly. We're all human.
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You're right That Guy! My friend did have an interest in me at first, but when she knew I was straight, there was no more talk about it. She was the best friend ever, lots of good times shared, and neither of us dwelled on our sexuality. I've never in my life been harassed by a lesbian woman, but have had to put a few male jerks in their place over the years. :rolleyes:
 

Fern said:
GDad,

Didn't you say that gays aren't interested in heterosexuals. If they weren't interested, then would they be bothered.! What do you get from sexually joking around, all about their prowess!
My hubby knew how to handle the guy next door when he was propositioned at a neighbourly get together, just by giving hand signals on size, as was being done to him, (take it as you will) hubby hasn't been bothered since.;)

No I made no such remark! That would be a statment totally underestimating both gay & hetrosexual feelings, everyone is different. Bisexual people are one that comes to mind.

Fern, as I stated I take these advances, when at BBQs etc, with a grain of salt, I just wink laugh blow them a kiss & we all have a beer & a good time.....cheers!:)
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SeaBreeze said:
You're right That Guy! My friend did have an interest in me at first, but when she knew I was straight, there was no more talk about it. She was the best friend ever, lots of good times shared, and neither of us dwelled on our sexuality.

I've never in my life been harassed by a lesbian woman, but have had to put a few male jerks in their place over the years. :rolleyes:
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Me neither, SB, just that one who ran her hands through my hair at a party (tho she was a hairdresser, I'd never met her -- way too personal) and suggested I call her and she would work "miracles" w/my hair. Yeah, right! I quickly wandered away and we didn't talk again.

Ditto on the male jerks who are 100 x worse, especially if they're drinking! All the gay guys I know/have known & close to were aware from childhood they were gay and have never had a g/f, but we're only talking a half doz or so.

A very dear friend of decades shocked me royally. She was a well educated early widow (late 20's) & earning big bucks as a sales rep for a nationally known company when she lived here. She seemed to always have a great guy in her life. After a few yrs she married a wonderful & very devoted man and they relocated to a very trendy area of CO. She started her own business there and I visited them for a week yrs ago...left so touched by how happy they were and wishing I could find even close to the same. Then, instead of our usual phone calls, I rec'd a handwritten letter telling me they had separated and she was deeply in love with a woman! That may have been the biggest shocker of my life, in that she always had a boyfriend/husband and seemed to love men. I've been around her one to one for over 20 yrs (at that time) and never picked up the slightest clue. She had fallen in love with a woman she met at a business convention. Dear Gawd, I'm not over it yet and it's been over 15 yrs -- not at all that she's gay, just that I had known her to be so totally opposite. Anyhoo, they became partners in business and life, still together. I saw them on nat'l TV a few yrs ago/business related and saw her partner. She was as butchy as could be. My friend has always come across as feminine....that is, til she came out & got herself a short/spiked hair style. For me, it's much tougher to accept once you've known them one way for so long. Those who are obvious upfront, you don't give a 2nd thought to. It was a little overwhelming at the time and I got lost in it. After all those great yrs of friendship we've lost touch and I'm not proud of that at all!
 
Fern said:
That guy,
You've got that wrong. Being 'propositioned' by lesbians, is something I don't appreciate and our gay neighbours really 'loove' to 'come on' to the ladies. As they say, 'any port in a storm'. 'dirty ducks dabble in a dirty pond'. :)
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Then, ya just give 'em the 'ol brush off like anyone else making unwanted advances. If that doesn't stop 'em, may I recommend the tried and true punch in the nose.
 
I had a conversation on the topic, with some friends. They are very "Biaist" on the subject, in their own ignorance.
I asked them a couple of a question:" If you were critically ill, and there was a doctor who is gay, and a top specialist in his field, would you refuse his help?"
The second question was: " if any of your childern, or granchildren turn out "gay", would you abandond them?"
They were reluctant to answer, but those two questions gave them something to think about.
 
That Guy said:
Then, ya just give 'em the 'ol brush off like anyone else making unwanted advances.
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I agree. At our age, we should have plenty of experience in putting a stop to unwanted advances from either sex. I have no problem making myself clear to others that they need to back off.
 
babyboomer said:
I had a conversation on the topic, with some friends. They are very "Biaist" on the subject, in their own ignorance.
I asked them a couple of a question:" If you were critically ill, and there was a doctor who is gay, and a top specialist in his field, would you refuse his help?"
The second question was: " if any of your childern, or granchildren turn out "gay", would you abandond them?"
They were reluctant to answer, but those two questions gave them something to think about.
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I wouldn't hesitate a NO answer for either question...if they were reluctant to answer, then they are definitely homophobic.
 
SifuPhil said:
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I lived in one of the most gay areas in the U.S. for seven years and never had a problem. Made a lot of gay friends, I never caught the gay bug and they never jumped me in a dark alley.

It isn't my bag, but if it's theirs and they don't throw it at me then no problemo.
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Was it Key West, Phil? I know you love it there and so do I, but there are a lot of gays there. Doesn't phase me, I'd give anything to be there right now.
 
Katybug said:
Was it Key West, Phil? I know you love it there and so do I, but there are a lot of gays there. Doesn't phase me, I'd give anything to be there right now.
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No, actually it was Greenwich Village in lower Manhattan, but yes, there's a high population of gays in Key West as well.

Speaking of which, I think it is at their urgings that there are so many unique "holidays" and parades and events in Key West year-round. Some, like the Zombie Bike Ride, I've participated in, but Tutu Tuesday I managed to avoid every time. :turnaround:

Both Greenwich Village and Key West afforded very colorful and active surroundings, a key I think to enjoying your chosen place of residence.
 
SifuPhil said:
No, actually it was Greenwich Village in lower Manhattan, but yes, there's a high population of gays in Key West as well.

Speaking of which, I think it is at their urgings that there are so many unique "holidays" and parades and events in Key West year-round. Some, like the Zombie Bike Ride, I've participated in, but Tutu Tuesday I managed to avoid every time. :turnaround:

Both Greenwich Village and Key West afforded very colorful and active surroundings, a key I think to enjoying your chosen place of residence.
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I've had the opportunity to visit married friends in the Village many times....never even noticed the gay influence. Nor do I here unless they're showing PDA.

I love the Village, for totally different reasons than Key West, of course, but how lucky you were to live there. I was in awe of the energy & colorful atmosphere . First time there our host was preparing Sushi (had barely heard of it at the time) and we went shopping in a small/locally owned groc (a type I wasn't used to at all, with primarily specialty items -- now they're everywhere!) I was told Jackie Kennedy shopped there regularly. (Later read that this groc was one of her favorites, well after she was no longer shopping and/or had staff doing that!) I was starstruck to say the least...but we're talking 30 yrs ago! I would've loved the opportunity to live there, but only when I was much younger! Far too much hassle these days.
 
Katybug said:
... Far too much hassle these days.
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Exactly my thoughts, in addition to the expenses of living there. I was renting a 6,000SF loft for living / work and it cost $2,000/mn back in the mid-'70's. That same loft is now going for $9,000/mn.

I've had the opportunity to visit married friends in the Village many times....never even noticed the gay influence. Nor do I here unless they're showing PDA.
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Ah, you mean you never heard of the infamous Stonewall riots? The Village was at the forefront of rabble-rousing in the name of LBGT rights. And you're right about the color and energy - it was amazing.
 
babyboomer said:
I had a conversation on the topic, with some friends. They are very "Biaist" on the subject, in their own ignorance.
I asked them a couple of a question:" If you were critically ill, and there was a doctor who is gay, and a top specialist in his field, would you refuse his help?"
The second question was: " if any of your childern, or granchildren turn out "gay", would you abandond them?"
They were reluctant to answer, but those two questions gave them something to think about.
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My g'daughter tells me that attitude against gays makes you seem so old..."that younger people don't think that way." I didn't say it, she did!
 
Phil: Ah, you mean you never heard of the infamous Stonewall riots? The Village was at the forefront of rabble-rousing in the name of LBGT rights. And you're right about the color and energy - it was amazing.

No, but not like I was there on a regular basis...always a week and 2-3 summer long wk-ends for 5 yrs. We were always on our way to Fire Island (with our friends sharing their "shares.") so I didn't get to know nearly enough about any part of NYC as much as I would have preferred. A half day & night and then on our way to Bay Shore to catch the ferry to the Island.

Other posts will tell you how I feel about the beach, but Fire Island is something else...Cape Cod with a lil bit of Caribbean flavor thrown in. Despite the reputation, there really are many "hetro's"/families that enjoy the escape from the city. I know you know that...just a short distance from the Hamptons and a tad more affordable....I will always treasure those times.

I can't even wrap my brain around the sq footage you had in NYC. The apartment our friends had allowed 1 person in the kitchen, same as the bathroom, and 1 bedroom that even w/my short arms could almost touch either side and they were paying a small fortune for it..by the standard I know. We slept on a pull outta the wall Murphy's bed in the living room!


Whew! 6,000 s.f. in any part of the City sounds like a Trump home! Here and most other large cities the square footage is fairly common for the wealthy, but at a mere fraction of the cost.

 
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No, but not like I was there on a regular basis...always a week and 2-3 summer long wk-ends for 5 yrs. We were always on our way to Fire Island (with our friends sharing their "shares.") so I didn't get to know nearly enough about any part of NYC as much as I would have preferred. A half day & night and then on our way to Bay Shore to catch the ferry to the Island.

Other posts will tell you how I feel about the beach, but Fire Island is something else...Cape Cod with a lil bit of Caribbean flavor thrown in. Despite the reputation, there really are many "hetro's"/families that enjoy the escape from the city. I know you know that...just a short distance from the Hamptons and a tad more affordable....I will always treasure those times.
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Ah, Fire Island ... the OTHER Rainbow-By-The-Sea. :playful:

I prefer Southampton - had a few good hetero memories there ... :cool:

I can't even wrap my brain around the sq footage you had in NYC. The apartment our friends had allowed 1 person in the kitchen, same as the bathroom, and 1 bedroom that even w/my short arms could almost touch either side and they were paying a small fortune for it..by the standard I know. We slept on a pull outta the wall Murphy's bed in the living room!

Whew! 6,000 s.f. in any part of the City sounds like a Trump home! Here and most other large cities the square footage is fairly common for the wealthy, but at a mere fraction of the cost.
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It was a combination of luck and hard work. The luck part was that I was going out with a Realtor who found the deal for me; the hard work was going out with the Realtor who found the deal for me. :devilish:

But seriously, folks :rolleyes: ... I was doing extremely well as a young man in NYC, with enough income between my martial arts / Chinese medicine studio and my bouncing and escort work to be able to afford what at the time was quite an expensive place. Now you'd be lucky to get a 1-bedroom walk-up for the same price in the Village - it's a lot like Key West that way. :(
 
SifuPhil said:
Ah, Fire Island ... the OTHER Rainbow-By-The-Sea. :playful:

I prefer Southampton - had a few good hetero memories there ... :cool:

Don't



It was a combination of luck and hard work. The luck part was that I was going out with a Realtor who found the deal for me; the hard work was going out with the Realtor who found the deal for me. :devilish:

But seriously, folks :rolleyes: ... I was doing extremely well as a young man in NYC, with enough income between my martial arts / Chinese medicine studio and my bouncing and escort work to be able to afford what at the time was quite an expensive place. Now you'd be lucky to get a 1-bedroom walk-up for the same price in the Village - it's a lot like Key West that way. :(
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You were doing extremely well for yourself, Phil. I'm not familiar with any parts of the Hamptons/Southampton area. But it can't be that far from Fire Island, just more upscale. Anything with "Hamptons" seems to mean wealth. Fire Island is not pretentious at all, as you know, 2-story Cape Cod shingles built decades ago....nothing the wealthy would stay in, but more than a small fortune for those who live as I do. They make more there, and they are charged accordingly.

And so far as living in any part of NYC -- "if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere"...and if you don't believe me, ask Liza Minneli! Best "New York, New York" singer ever!

Being able to merely exist in any part of NYC is more than I would have ever wanted to take on. You did it and the memories must be a wonderful bonus.
 
We used to rent a tiny bungalow in Hampton Bays for the summers, and I once saw Lisa Minneli playing Frisbee in Central Park.
 
SifuPhil said:
Ah, Fire Island ... the OTHER Rainbow-By-The-Sea. :playful:

I prefer Southampton - had a few good hetero memories there ... :cool:



It was a combination of luck and hard work. The luck part was that I was going out with a Realtor who found the deal for me; the hard work was going out with the Realtor who found the deal for me. :devilish:

But seriously, folks :rolleyes: ... I was doing extremely well as a young man in NYC, with enough income between my martial arts / Chinese medicine studio and my bouncing and escort work to be able to afford what at the time was quite an expensive place. Now you'd be lucky to get a 1-bedroom walk-up for the same price in the Village - it's a lot like Key West that way. :(
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Details on "escort work," if you weren't kidding....surely you were! LOL
 
I have never had a problem with anyone being gay. I figure it is none of my business what consenting adults do in their bedrooms. I have also had several gay friends. I was hit on a couple of times by women I thought were straight. I was shocked, as I am and have always been straight and they knew that. I just don't understand why anyone would do that, if they know the other person is straight.
 

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