Had a conversation with an acquaintance who lives in Russia

Murrmurr said:
...and it was a head-scratcher. I've known and have had occasional conversations with Dan for about 7 years. We met on an online international social exchange type forum, now defunct. He was there to learn English and western culture...basically wanted to find out if the west was as evil as he'd been taught. He lives in a small-ish village, doing better than some but far from wealthy. Over the past 7 years he got married, built his own home by hand with help from his brother and friends, and has a child now.

Anyway, we had an online conversation yesterday and I asked him what he thought about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, where he figured it'd go and all that, and his answers surprised me, but they are interesting.

He said there's no real democracy anywhere in the world, that all governments are puppet regimes controlled by 2 organizations. These 2 organizations control everything on the planet. They make everything happen, including wars. They control people and the world economy through education systems, the media and marketing, and every industry.

About Russia's invasion of Ukraine he said "Think back to two months ago, 6 weeks ago, two weeks ago. What was happening? All the world was talking about this thing. A hint: it was a big major thing when it happen in Canada. ...Yes, you are right; Freedom Caravan. Now remember what time Russia made invasion to Ukraine. Is when Freedom Caravan start in US. Freedom Caravan is threat, the real threat. Is threat to 2 companies, 2 corporation. Can you guess, my friend? Who are they, these two?"

I couldn't guess, so he told me. Blackrock and Vanguard.

Me: Dan, have you learned yet the English phrase "Conspiracy theorist?"

He laughed and said "Yes, I know it." Then he asked me what I thought. I told him I'd study up on Blackrock and Vanguard and promised him I'd think about it without judgement. He said it was "no matter", that we have no control over it anyway, but that goodness would ultimately triumph over this evil.

Then he sent me a link to this incredible animated video. (13 minutes)

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I think Dan is spot on right. I'd throw in the WEF, World Economic Forum who has currently been deleting their webpages. Just adjust my tinfoil hat and call me a conspiracy theorist. BTW, Blackrock & Vanguard own all the world's media so it's harder to learn the truth about anything except from a guy livestreaming from his cell phone on the scene if you know what I mean and there are more independent news journalists these days because so many have lost belief in the MSM.
 

A lot of people have ideas about what causes events to take place. But, not all people's ideas deserve serious consideration. One of our jobs as thinking people, is to decide what arguments have merit (even if we disagree with them!), which one need more data, and which ones are so outrageous that we should not waste our limited time on them. IMHO, the Vanguard/Blackrock explaination of world evens is one that is not worth the time it just took me to write this sentence.
 
JonSR77 said:
Always be super, super careful about interacting with folks from Russia. China also. Spies are not just in the movies. And they are not just James Bond types. Corrupt regimes use every dirty trick in the book to try and get into our society and create influence...in every single sphere imaginable.

I am not saying our governments here in the Western are pristine, perfect and without corruption.

But just because every large institution has some corruption, does not mean they have anywhere near the same level of corruption, human rights abuses and on.

Amnesty International issues annual reports of human rights abuses, country by country. Some are just pure evil. And the US, Britain, Germany, France...others.....however imperfect, they all commit only a tiny fraction of the human rights abuses perpetrated by countries like Russia and China.

Putin and his gang of goons have stolen their money FROM the Russian people. They are keeping the Russian people down. They are the ones causing poverty in Russia. All they would ever have to do is just let the people be, open up trade with the West and their people would be so much better off. But they are horribly myopic, demonically selfish and just ruining the lives of millions...and have been for over 20 years now.

China is different, far more complex. There are some good things happening in China. About 300 million out of their 1.3 billion population now have Western standard of living levels. Which is some legitimate good and progress. So, however abusive, I do think the Chinese government has some devotion to some of the Chinese people.

I don't think the Russian oligarchs care a single jot whether the Russian population lives or dies or suffers.

They're criminals. They are Mafia. They all belong in jail.
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What is the difference from the Vikings to today,?
 
JonSR77 said:
I don't think the Russian oligarchs care a single jot whether the Russian population lives or dies or suffers.

They're criminals. They are Mafia. They all belong in jail.
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I think that was Dan's point, and he includes the rest of the world's population. He believes the oligarchs of the world are puppets of the few at the top; the CEOs (or whatever) of BlackRock and Vanguard.

Did you watch that animated video I posted? You should, it's pretty cool. Dan said "This is it; this is explanation for all what is happen in our times, in recent decades."
 
chic said:
I think Dan is spot on right. I'd throw in the WEF, World Economic Forum who has currently been deleting their webpages. Just adjust my tinfoil hat and call me a conspiracy theorist. BTW, Blackrock & Vanguard own all the world's media so it's harder to learn the truth about anything except from a guy livestreaming from his cell phone on the scene if you know what I mean and there are more independent news journalists these days because so many have lost belief in the MSM.
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"BTW, Blackrock & Vanguard own all the world's media" Seriously?!
 
I dunno about Dan, @Murrmurr ...at least from the last few videos. The "food prices after sanctions" one was really weird in that it was all beautifully, fully stocked with great prices ...BUT there were no other shoppers in the store with them. There were a few comments about it looking staged and those disappeared quickly.

As for financial institutions controlling much of the world ...sure they do. Along with media moguls, shadowy king makers like the Koches and Soros, old money aristocracy, new tech billionaires. Bilderberg meetings used to be secret and anyone who referenced them was called a conspiracy theorist. Then the Internet came along and they could no longer hide so they no longer try. You can look at the list of attendees through the years and know that if this group is getting together to discuss the world 'off the record', the interests of everyday people aren't priority. We're discussed in how we can consume their goods and increase their wealth but it's not based on what's best for us if what's best for us doesn't provide more money, more power for elites. Nations outside the West like Russia, China exaggerate it as propaganda but at the core, they're not wrong. For all that's wrong with it, it's still better than anything anyone else has going. I can't thing of any current form of government that isn't controlled at the top by some sort of elite or the other, nor can I think of one throughout history.
 
Be careful about social media at this time. If you have any doubts, read the Mueller Report's findings on Russia, Section II-A. Regardless of what you feel about the former President read that section. It's eye opening.
 
AnnieA said:
I dunno about Dan, @Murrmurr ...at least from the last few videos. The "food prices after sanctions" one was really weird in that it was all beautifully, fully stocked with great prices ...BUT there were no other shoppers in the store with them. There were a few comments about it looking staged and those disappeared quickly.

As for financial institutions controlling much of the world ...sure they do. Along with media moguls, shadowy king makers like the Koches and Soros, old money aristocracy, new tech billionaires. Bilderberg meetings used to be secret and anyone who referenced them was called a conspiracy theorist. Then the Internet came along and they could no longer hide so they no longer try. You can look at the list of attendees through the years and know that if this group is getting together to discuss the world 'off the record', the interests of everyday people aren't priority. We're discussed in how we can consume their goods and increase their wealth but it's not based on what's best for us if what's best for us doesn't provide more money, more power for elites. Nations outside the West like Russia, China exaggerate it as propaganda but at the core, they're not wrong. For all that's wrong with it, it's still better than anything anyone else has going. I can't thing of any current form of government that isn't controlled at the top by some sort of elite or the other, nor can I think of one throughout history.
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Head of the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, falls into the shadowy kings category. And his Global Leaders of Tomorrow organization, basically a 5-year training program for young influential elites, is raising some eyebrows lately. It also has a bunch of notable alumni. My state governor is one of them.

This is why Dan views the Freedom Convoy and all epidemic-related protests around the world as the catalyst for Putin's invasion of Ukraine. He said there's 2 things going on there, a) the shadowy kings saw people rallying for freedom world-wide, and b) clearly, the common folk needed a distraction, a tried and true tactic.

So I gather the way Dan sees it, the shadowy kings killed 2 birds with one stone by using their influence to influence Putin to invade Ukraine, creating an opportunity for economic reset 2.0, while simultaneously distracting the pesky commoner's from their escalating kumbaya nonsense.
 
Murrmurr said:
I think that was Dan's point, and he includes the rest of the world's population. He believes the oligarchs of the world are puppets of the few at the top; the CEOs (or whatever) of BlackRock and Vanguard.

Did you watch that animated video I posted? You should, it's pretty cool. Dan said "This is it; this is explanation for all what is happen in our times, in recent decades."
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not yet. Thanks for sharing. I do want to be respectful and get to it soon.
 
JonSR77 said:
not yet. Thanks for sharing. I do want to be respectful and get to it soon.
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The animators did an excellent job of visualizing their message. I don't agree with the message, but it's really well done.

With everything that's happened over the past few years I've been thinking about this thing called The Great Reset.

Contrary to conspiracy theory, I don't think it's contrived; the outcome of planning, finagling, and decades of waiting. Social and economic resets have happened repeatedly throughout known history. Great and less than great societies have come and gone due to natural disasters, disease, wars, cultural changes, and mismanagement, but extremely unlikely due to the well thought-out plot of a group of elites.

It won't surprise me if, here in the US, within the next few years, everyone below a certain income will be issued an EBT food card (Food Stamps on a debit card). And kicked around for several years now is the idea of a Universal Basic Income program (UBI), where every adult American gets a set amount of money from the government each month. I can see that happening soon, too. Initially it might be for homeless people only and become universal pretty soon afterward. In fact, I think the homeless issue is one of the things that's kept politicians from pushing for a UBI program more aggressively. Now, after everything that's happened the past 2 yrs, they might be thinking a lot of Americans are open to the idea....younger ones, at least.
 
AnnieA said:
Think of all the disinformation the people of Russia have been fed for almost a century.
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Same here in our Country. A lot of misinformation is being passed around now by the Woke media.

George Soros, starts a lot of things like you say just because he's the richest guy in the world. I could go on about this guy but it would be political so I'll just leave it here.
 
Murrmurr said:
Do you think that's planned, though? ...by something like an Illuminati or a shadow gov't?
Or is war and manipulation and greed on a large scale just humans being humans?
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Think it's both. The domestic gang wars are perfect example of humans being humans. And there's more or other powerful people not in government ie the money people.
 
Tom 86 said:
Same here in our Country. A lot of misinformation is being passed around now by the Woke media.

George Soros, starts a lot of things like you say just because he's the richest guy in the world. I could go on about this guy but it would be political so I'll just leave it here.
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But here we can find opposing arguments. We can go on the world-wide web and find actual data. We have options.

In the old Soviet Union/the USSR, newspapers and television were state-run media. Nothing was printed or televised that didn't come directly from the government.

And over the past several days, Putin has gradually shut down the people's access to Radio-Free Europe, has limited their access to the web, and has again taken over what gets printed in the news and reported on TV.
 
Somewhere we went from having opposing views to calling other side fake news. I think hearing two sides about an issue is a heck of lot better than just calling other side information fake and rejecting it totally. I may not agree with other side but I will listen and try to understand their side. But calling the other information fake shuts off all dialogue between the two sides. And I think we know where this started.
 
WhatInThe said:
Think it's both. The domestic gang wars are perfect example of humans being humans. And there's more or other powerful people not in government ie the money people.
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What's been happening globally the past, say, 4 decades does look like a grand scheme, but I don't think it is. Like, I don't think anyone expected this invasion of Ukraine until just before it happened, and I don't think anyone except Putin was behind it. However, I do expect certain "elites" to take advantage of it. Someone always profits off of war.
 
I tried to watch the video Dan sent you but it was not!!! created for people with visually triggered migraines. 🤕

I did, however, watch his video about companies leaving Russia. The video begins as he and his wife are driving to a mall. He starts by saying: "Today we are going to show you what brands or companies are leaving Russia or have already left our country. We don't watch news, we don't know about this, just people in Russia, they said that some companies have left or are leaving our country. And we're going to see this by our eyes." ...He's really dumbing it down compared to his OP message to you... He's playing to a different audience on youtube ...the ones he calls 'Adorables' :ROFLMAO:

On into the video, they're in the mall and stop at each closed store where there's a standard mall placard that says something like "This store is temporarily closed..." He films inventory still visible through the windows of each of the stores. Based on the "temporarily closed" message on the placards and the merchandise still in stores, he ends up by saying the companies are hypocrites ...that they haven't really left Russia but are waiting "on something."Then he asks: "What they waiting? It is the key question." He's very indignant at this point, looking straight into the camera. Then goes on to say the stores will be replaced by Russian companies.

That's the last video I'll watch since each click on a youtuber's video earns them money.
 

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