Happy Columbo Day! But did he really discover America?

oakapple said:
Yes, he was always kind to children and animals, washed his hands before meals and always said please, and thank you.:DThe trouble is, what he did [or didn't do, I have no idea to be honest] was a long way in the past. The past is another country, they do things differently there, [to steal a phrase.]I suppose if enought people feel strongly enough about it, it could bring a change of name, but I doubt that will happen.
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http://www.theholidayzone.com/columbus/history.html Columbus Day was made official in 1937 so it's not that long ago really. It's not another country, it's the USA and judging by what I've read here, you're probably right, the chances of a name change based on the historical facts are unlikely to happen. So let's just celebrate every mass murderer and open the prisons because if this guy can get a national holiday named after him, then it seems to me the other miscreants in the system don't belong there!
 

Debby said:
Hmm, resorting to 'name calling'. Columbus was a scum bag and shouldn't have anything named after him. If anything, he should be obliterated from the history book as 'the discoverer of America' and those same books should tell the truth of what he was. Honesty and integrity calls for that instead of 'defence' or rationalization. Or maybe for the sake of consistency, you can have a John Wayne Gacey Day, or hold Jeffrey Dahmer Sale Days......

I think where I'm running into trouble here is that I just can't bring myself to venerate or look up to or even emotionally accept horrific violence.
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Haven't called you any name.. But it's kind of wierd to me why you care so darn much.. about the USA.. and seem to relish anything you can find to cast the US in a bad light..no matter how trivial.. I never give Canada much of a thought... well perhaps the Hockey teams... Oh.. and maple syrup.. But I don't give a rat's patoot what you name things after. I mean... I know there's a big ole country up north... that's about it.:shrug:
 
Well, the American Indian explored and settled America, unless it was really Ancient Aliens:playful: But you mean "who" came from "the old world" and discovered it.

Gads, after reading some of the comments, I'm really stunned, I had no idea there were stories about columbus that were so horrible!! I have no clue about him, only what I heard in school, and I don't trust all of what I heard in school, and can only wonder what the kids are learning today:(

Here's one blog I found on it, I'm going to read the rest, and thank all of you for the information, geesh! Just when you think you know everything, see, we are never too old to learn something;)

http://mrhaston-history.blogspot.com/2012/08/christopher-columbus-hitler-of-15th.html
 

To most Americans it's a day off and sales. Some companies and workplaces have so many holidays the meaning gets lost in the translation good or bad. Many retailers just want an excuse for to have a "special" sale.

The problem is that the part of the population that push these holidays live life through their ethnicity, not their country. Which is hypocritical in many cases. Because those same ethnic groups will pounce on someone else's ethnicity, religion or country for their own benefit.

I don't have a problem noting the day but should they be shutting down streets for parades, closing schools and government offices for one ethnicity. Should NYC streets be shut down on St Patties Day? To me I'm an American. To be honest I don't give too hoots what my ancestors did hundreds of years ago. Nor do I make an identity based on them.

Just a side note but probably for commercial reasons a see a lot more advertisements for Ocktoberfest this year. Perhaps there were too many who remember WWII in the past. But I see a larger push this year and it's probably for the bar and beer business. Holidays like these are just ANOTHER excuse to drink to access. Same for St Patties Day. You take the alcohol, days off and/or sales out of the picture most wouldn't give a crap about these days, individuals or countries.
 
nwlady said:
Well, the American Indian explored and settled America, unless it was really Ancient Aliens:playful: But you mean "who" came from "the old world" and discovered it.

Gads, after reading some of the comments, I'm really stunned, I had no idea there were stories about columbus that were so horrible!! I have no clue about him, only what I heard in school, and I don't trust all of what I heard in school, and can only wonder what the kids are learning today:(

Here's one blog I found on it, I'm going to read the rest, and thank all of you for the information, geesh! Just when you think you know everything, see, we are never too old to learn something;)

http://mrhaston-history.blogspot.com/2012/08/christopher-columbus-hitler-of-15th.html
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Can only wonder what the kids are learning today. Yup. If you ever travel to places like California NY or Florida you should actually know the history of the European explorers which will explain a lot of things. I regret forgetting or not learning more about those explorers and their countries/history because again it explains a lot about the make up or culture of those states and many cities. The Euro explorers and the subsequent settlements & occupations are still being felt today in parts of the world.
 
Davey Jones said:
THERE ,fix it for ya(g)
I've heard horrible things about the REAL Jesus.. I don't think he's all that revered here.. or even given much thought..
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It's true Davey, we hear this and we hear that, or we read this or we read that. I mean geez, it wasn't that long ago that I "heard" the "landing on the moon" was faked, and that there was, no holocaust. What in the .... are we supposed to believe? I guess we have to take our best guess hey.
 
WhatInThe said:
Can only wonder what the kids are learning today. Yup. If you ever travel to places like California NY or Florida you should actually know the history of the European explorers which will explain a lot of things. I regret forgetting or not learning more about those explorers and their countries/history because again it explains a lot about the make up or culture of those states and many cities. The Euro explorers and the subsequent settlements & occupations are still being felt today in parts of the world.
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All through history someone is conquering someone else, whoever's strongest or maybe smartest wins the pie. It's all pretty ugly when you look at the history of man. I mean yes, there were some good, humane people along the way, but the "uglies" omg, and they are still alive and well. It's like nothing is really new (s). ISIS is the worst of all, so everyone says, but now I find out Columbus was a Hitler.

By the way, todays just another day for me.
 
QuickSilver said:
Haven't called you any name.. But it's kind of wierd to me why you care so darn much.. about the USA.. and seem to relish anything you can find to cast the US in a bad light..no matter how trivial.. I never give Canada much of a thought... well perhaps the Hockey teams... Oh.. and maple syrup.. But I don't give a rat's patoot what you name things after. I mean... I know there's a big ole country up north... that's about it.:shrug:
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Well QuickSilver, like I've explained before, when the USA sneezes the rest of the world catches cold so I tend to pay attention. And in this forum, it does seem that Americans predominate so naturally, you guys are going to mention things like Columbus Day and the mere mention of that mans name (as I have read about him prior to this day) makes my skin crawl so I commented on it.

And I fully understand that you don't give Canada or Canadians a thought. You are typical of many other Americans in that regard and that was ably demonstrated when our Rick Mercer did a piece on how much you guys know about us. It was hilarious actually and one of the high points in the video was when Governor Mike Huckabee agreed that we should build a dome over our 'National Igloo' (where we hold our Parliamentary business) to keep it from melting. So without further ado, here is a (rather poor quality video and sorry about that) of Rick Mercer talking about our National Igloo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo
 
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These "your" country "my country" disputes crop up around here, it's an international forum. I think we all need to remember though (I know I do) that people are in all these countries, and people are not all that different. All kinds, all types of thinking, beliefs, make different laws etc. I know there's never going to be "peace on Earth", in places maybe, but not the whole planet because of man/woman's ego.

I love that movie Independence Day (omg, I could start another, mass war here about that holiday:badgirl:) because aliens come to devour everyone, and everything on Earth. But guess what, people leave their "petty differences" aside, or behind, and ban together to save Earth!! That's would be a dream come true.

For the record, I love Canada, all the wonderful stories about my ancestors that came there from Wales, and France. I think it's always best for me to keep my eyes on my own backyard though. When my place is perfect, then maybe I can say something about someone elses, just makes good sense to me.
 
Debby said:
Well QuickSilver, like I've explained before, when the USA sneezes the rest of the world catches cold. And in this forum, it does seem that Americans predominate so naturally, you guys are going to mention things like Columbus Day and the mere mention of that mans name (as I have read about him prior to this day) makes my skin crawl so I commented on it.

And I fully understand that you don't give Canada or Canadians a thought. You are typical of many other Americans in that regard and that was ably demonstrated when our Rick Mercer did a piece on how much you guys know about us. It was hilarious actually and one of the high points in the video was when your own politician, Governor Mike Huckabee agreed that we should build a dome over our 'National Igloo' (where we hold our Parliamentary business) to keep it from melting. So without further ado, here is a (rather poor quality video and sorry about that) of Rick Mercer talking about our National Igloo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo
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LOL! That was pretty funny, but all I have to say is Rob Ford. :D
 
Debby said:
Well QuickSilver, like I've explained before, when the USA sneezes the rest of the world catches cold. And in this forum, it does seem that Americans predominate so naturally, you guys are going to mention things like Columbus Day and the mere mention of that mans name (as I have read about him prior to this day) makes my skin crawl so I commented on it.

And I fully understand that you don't give Canada or Canadians a thought. You are typical of many other Americans in that regard and that was ably demonstrated when our Rick Mercer did a piece on how much you guys know about us. It was hilarious actually and one of the high points in the video was when your own politician, Governor Mike Huckabee agreed that we should build a dome over our 'National Igloo' (where we hold our Parliamentary business) to keep it from melting. So without further ado, here is a (rather poor quality video and sorry about that) of Rick Mercer talking about our National Igloo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?


v=BhTZ_tgMUdo
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I'm sorry Debby, but your posts are not even worth reading any more... For whatever reason you are fixated on the big ole stupid meanie to your South.. It's really gotten kind of funny.. You will pull out any old piece of crap to prove how stupid and bad Americans are.. I've got your number now hun.. I'm done engaging you.. It's getting boring.
 
nwlady said:
All through history someone is conquering someone else, whoever's strongest or maybe smartest wins the pie. It's all pretty ugly when you look at the history of man. I mean yes, there were some good, humane people along the way, but the "uglies" omg, and they are still alive and well. It's like nothing is really new (s). ISIS is the worst of all, so everyone says, but now I find out Columbus was a Hitler.

By the way, todays just another day for me.
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Besides the demographics I think you can see 'some' of the original explorers in first generation immigrants from countries that are still mostly third world because without a more thorough education or exposures to other cultures the behavior, mindset and/or attitude is that much closer to the original settlers & peoples in their country. Or places and countries where outsiders have been shunned or reluctant to go. Without changes or something different things will remain the same.

Should add that in the history of humanity it has usually been to the winner go the spoils. The methods could be questionable but the result is still the same
 
WhatInThe said:
Besides the demographics I think you can see 'some' of the original explorers in first generation immigrants from countries that are still mostly third world because without a more thorough education or exposures to other cultures the behavior, mindset and/or attitude is that much closer to the original settlers & peoples in their country. Or places and countries where outsiders have been shunned or reluctant to go. Without changes or something different things will remain the same.
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Boy you got that right, I like how "change" is always brought up by the politicians running for office "I'm gonna change this and that". I don't think some things will ever change, but I guess it's healthier for our heart's to look at the good changes that are taking place. I know here in America, being brought up, is so different then in say Africa, or the 3rd, world countries. I don't know, I'm rambling now. I just need to go out and find some people being nice to other people, no matter what color they are, how much money they have or don't have, how handsome or beautiful they are. Restore my hopes for humanity.
 
Yep, Rob Ford is a piece of work isn't he? And yep, long list of miscreants and malefactors there. I wasn't around (or paying attention) for most of them, but regarding Pamela Wallin, Mike Duffy and Patrick Brazeau, my government got a goodly number of emails from me on how they better be punished if not thrown in the pokey for their crimes against the taxpayer. They were kind of the epicentre of my awakening as regards politics and foreign affairs. (See how easy that is?) I don't hide from the embarrassment of having those issues in our history because that never changes anything does it?

Again, like I've said several times before, we are all citizens of the globe these days and what happens in one country can affect the other side of the world. So when you see something that is wrong, stand up and be counted. That's why I have no problem with American climate activists coming up to this country to speak out against our 'tar sands' or potential pipe line problems.

For example, did you know that the Canadian government was guilty of opposing labelling asbestos as a hazardous material because they wanted to protect the export to Third World countries. And who suffered in that? Why the poor people who worked with the stuff and didn't know they were giving themselves cancer because they weren't aware that it required protective gear to just work with it. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/22/canada-opposes-labeling-asbestos-as-hazardous/ Happily, they finally were forced (by public opinion?) to accept that labelling must be done, in 2012. That was the end of an industry in this country and specifically in Quebec. And we're left with the sure and certain knowledge that numerous families are living and dying with the results of my governments recalcitrant attitude about honesty and health of people in other countries.
 
QuickSilver said:
I'm sorry Debby, but your posts are not even worth reading any more... For whatever reason you are fixated on the big ole stupid meanie to your South.. It's really gotten kind of funny.. You will pull out any old piece of crap to prove how stupid and bad Americans are.. I've got your number now hun.. I'm done engaging you.. It's getting boring.
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You know, I don't think you 'have my number' at all. Your perspective as far as I can tell, is that I am just out to bash America for the sake of the bashing and it's your right to hold whatever opinion you want. But what really bothers me is violence, hypocrisy, stealing.......all of those bad things and I refuse to turn a blind eye even if it's my country or somebody that I 'like'.

On the other hand if a person or group sees their own failings and turns away from those activities, I'll applaud and joyfully give them a second chance because we all make mistakes. But when I see someone consistently or continuously or deliberately hurting or taking away from others to fill their own pockets or achieve power to fulfil their own agenda, I'll call it out no matter who they are. I'm an 'equal opportunity tattle-tale' and proud of it.
 

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