Harvey Weinstein - WDYT?

There have been other things that were accepted as life as usual that have been changed. I remember when many people smoked, in public and in places like restaurants and planes. It was accepted behavior. Same with seat belts. Things change.

Hopefully, taking down a behemoth like Weinstein will precipitate getting rid of the rest of them too. May he be the first of many. I see Ben Affleck got called out today for groping a very young woman.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I'm just referring to all the women who are not famous and rich and have been severely raped and beaten. I don't have any process, as I said I don't even know all the details of this guy's story, just going by the little I've read or heard on the news in the last day or so.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...-30-year-history-sexual-harassment/736387001/

Okay, just looked this up to see what I might not know about these victims.



Boost her career for sexual favors, "badgered into giving him a massage while he was naked", discuss her acting prospects and took his money to shut up. Sorry Hoot, I can't compare these women with some who have been beaten beyond recognition, raped in the most severe ways, and sometimes killed....they are victims in my book. They had no choice to walk away or refuse money payments, or refuse advancement of their careers. Of course, if he's guilty of rape, then he should be charged and reported immediately by the victim.
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They may have been victimized differently than others but he used power just like all rapists.
 

Dragonlady said:
One of the really disturbing aspects of life as a woman is how quickly some of my sisters will turn on each other. I worked in a predominantly female profession and the women treated each other far worse that any of the males.
As far as Hollywood is concerned that has been the culture there for many years (hence the term "casting couch") - probably from the beginning. Many young women were deliberately kept ignorant about most things considered sexual, so they were poorly prepared to deal with predatory males. There were some actresses who did say "no" and got away with it. Predators get better with practice, unfortunately. Not all women have the self confidence and assertiveness to say "no" to a powerful man - particularly if tthe grew up in a "man as master" environment.
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Not sure how many women actually got away with saying no, although some of those who didn't may not want to admit it now. That's understandable.

I've seen it in other businesses too. A few places where I worked in the past were a predatory male culture. Women were expected to put out or get out. No one should have to prostitute herself or himself for a career, much less a dinky old job.

I tend to have low expectations of men, so I'm always happy when they surprise me in a good way.
 
From all I can gather from news reports, his excuse is simply 'boys will be boys'.

Apparently he's been getting away with it for a long time because he is rich and influential.
 
Hoot N Annie said:
Here's an interesting link:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/new...ar-AAtgoOX?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz

And another:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ar-AAth59i?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz
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What chaps my hide about these major news publications jumping on this story now is that they all knew way back when. But they wanted to keep their jobs, too. That's how far-reaching Weinstien's power was. He didn't ingratiate himself with newspaper editors and owners for nothing. He's a pig, but a brilliant one.

I think it was Smiley who posted, whether or not he does time behind bars doesn't even matter, he's a Hollywood embarrassment now. He's done. Even if he manages to invest in motion pictures in the future, we won't see his name in the credits. He'll be paid to keep his mouth shut for a change.
 
helenbacque said:
From all I can gather from news reports, his excuse is simply 'boys will be boys'.

Apparently he's been getting away with it for a long time because he is rich and influential.
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I daresay there probably a lot of these same types in all kinds of high places. And it's high time that their peers quit accepting that hackneyed "boys will be boys" garbage as an excuse and thus enabling their activities. Boys may be boys, but there's no excuse for their being predatory pigs.
 
Falcon said:
You knew you would. You've sure been questioning a lot of posts today.

Turn on the TV. Take a break. Pour a drink.

Also, leave me out of this. Thank you.
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Go back and read your original post and show us where you disapproved of Weinstein's actions, or where you expressed any concern for his victims. Do you see it? Me neither. Just sayin', save your outrage for someone else.
 
Cap'nSacto said:
What chaps my hide about these major news publications jumping on this story now is that they all knew way back when. But they wanted to keep their jobs, too. That's how far-reaching Weinstien's power was. He didn't ingratiate himself with newspaper editors and owners for nothing. He's a pig, but a brilliant one.

I think it was Smiley who posted, whether or not he does time behind bars doesn't even matter, he's a Hollywood embarrassment now. He's done. Even if he manages to invest in motion pictures in the future, we won't see his name in the credits. He'll be paid to keep his mouth shut for a change.
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The NY Times now admits it had this story years ago and backed off at Weinstein's request. You know he made threats of legal ramifications, but that shouldn't deter a newspaper that claims to have journalistic ethics.

When a friend emailed me that the story had finally broken, my reaction was, if a little old lady (me) in New Mexico knew for years about Weinstein, how is it possible his corporation, his industry and others who could have put a stop to it didn't come forward?
 
Falcon said:
Putting out someone elses' candle doesn't make yours any brighter.
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Good grief. It sure as heck doesn't diminish my flame when a Harvey Weinstein finally gets taken down, like he has deserved for decades. Some people shouldn't be allowed to own candles because they will always use them destructively.
 
Blame the victim? I think that could depend on what each of us thinks about when asking ourselves who got what & why.


One woman's moral compass and integrity were challenged by those asking why she would accompany Mike Tyson to his room. Her response was she thought she had no reason to fear wrong doing. They still tried to blame her.


But Desiree Washington, Miss Black Rhode Island, is one of the few if not the only female I've heard about that refused to be bought off. When I read about women that enjoyed a career because they kept their mouth shut about sexual abuse and later jump on the bandwagon to condemn I don't feel sorry for them. Unlike Desiree Washington, IMO they gave away their moral compass and integrity by not filing a complaint immediately


Butterfly wrote
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"I daresay there probably a lot of these same types in all kinds of high places"

JFK & Slick Willy to Chappaquiddick Island instantly come to mind.
 
Falcon, you are being much too enigmatic for me to follow your logic here.

From what I heard this morning when Emma Thomson was speaking to camera, Hollywood has a big problem in this regard and perhaps Weinstein is just the first of many who are likely to be exposed.

I find his plea for a second chance to be rather pathetic. Before that can happen surely there must be some admission of wrong doing?
 
OK. This thread has been going back & forth so much it's becoming too confusing.

So, If I may, IMO, Weinstein is a pig and a bully (Among other things) and should be kicked out of the

entertainment business and never let in again. He gives a bad name to the industry and interferes with a lot of

upcoming talent.
 
Falcon said:
OK. This thread has been going back & forth so much it's becoming too confusing.

So, If I may, IMO, Weinstein is a pig and a bully (Among other things) and should be kicked out of the

entertainment business and never let in again. He gives a bad name to the industry and interferes with a lot of

upcoming talent.
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Falcon, looks like what happened in the thread is some posters thought you were addressing the issue when you were specifically addressing HootnAnnie.
 
Please keep in mind that (according to latest news) when women who Weinstien victimized did come forward to complain, they were completely ignored. There was no one within the industry to complain to who would respond or take any action except to coerce the women into signing "hush contracts" - under threat, not only to them, but in some cases also to any family member who worked in the industry in some capacity - and then paying them. And not all of his victims took the check.
 
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Cap'nSacto said:
Please keep in mind that (according to latest news) when women who Weinstien victimized did come forward to complain, they were completely ignored. There was no one within the industry to complain to who would respond or take any action except to coerce the women into signing "hush contracts" - under threat, not only to them, in some cases, but also any family member who worked in the industry in some capacity - and then paying them. And not all of his victims took the check.
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Uh what happened to filing a complaint with the police? And in some cases going to a hospital and having a rape kit done? A choice to be made. Say nothing and make some money or file a complaint and let your talent speak for you. The real victims are the women that were sexually abused, raped after the 1st woman said nothing.
 
Knight, it is not that easy. I have an intellectually disabled grand daughter. She is very marginal and lives an independent life. Along the way she has been taken advantage of a couple of times. Once she was invited for a sleepover by a supposed female friend and accepted. The friend was married and GD woke up the next morning naked in bed, with no memories of the previous night.

My daughter did take her to the police who assessed the situation. They said they were satisfied that a sexual crime had been committed but there was no chance of getting a conviction. They did however visit the couple and let them know that they would be watching them. They demanded they hand over any cameras to check for photographs.

Then the worry began for daughter and grand daughter - STDs? HIV? pregnancy? My daughter is a nurse so she knew what to do but for many women this is a new nightmare that they must endure.

There are many reasons why the victims decide to cut their losses and just move on. They tend to blame themselves, not knowing about all of the other abused women. Once they do know, they emerge from the shadows to tell their own stories. Others just avoid the scandalous publicity, including being condemned for having kept silent up to that point.
 
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