Has anyone not had covid as far as you know?

No Covid, no flu. Had the vaxx and one booster. I usually also get a flu shot. Have not had the shingles shot, but did get a tetanus shot a few years ago. I see doctors as needed and take the meds they tell me to take. PCP, cardiologist, pulmonologist, urologist. They keep me alive.

God willing I got my mother's genes, as she lived to be 98. I've got 20 more years to go.
 

Tazx said:
Actually the people at the gym, our 5 or 6 closest friends and of course my wife have never had it. Our son and his wife have not had it, our daughter and her husband have not had it.
But my mom, my uncle, my brother, our son's wife's parents all had whatever 'it' was, but all only after vaccination.
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Same for my wife and I. Still Covid virgins but I can’t think of many others that we know.
 
I still know some people who have never had Covid.

Interestingly at least one poster who said earlier that she had not had it has since caught it
 
Tazx said:
Actually the people at the gym, our 5 or 6 closest friends and of course my wife have never had it. Our son and his wife have not had it, our daughter and her husband have not had it.
But my mom, my uncle, my brother, our son's wife's parents all had whatever 'it' was, but all only after vaccination.
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You don't know about the people at the gym, that's an assumption you're making unless you're best buds with everyone who goes. I only know two people personally who had it, but the other folks I know have been very careful of their activities and all got vaccinated. And the two people who did get covid were horribly sick, one in the hospital and on the verge of being placed in the ICU and neither of them were vaccinated.
 
What most people don't know is that the first "corona virus" was identified in 1965, so it's nothing new, they just called this one #19. It still falls under the category of what corona viruses are actually...colds. flu's etc., so anyone who has had those, has had a form of a corona virus. I got sick yes, like every year during flu season, so I never worried about it, it passed in a few days...So, in truth, cv19 carries the same death rate of any other one...less than 1%, so that is hardly a "pandemic, now is it?
 
Debrah N. said:
You don't know about the people at the gym, that's an assumption you're making unless you're best buds with everyone who goes. I only know two people personally who had it, but the other folks I know have been very careful of their activities and all got vaccinated. And the two people who did get covid were horribly sick, one in the hospital and on the verge of being placed in the ICU and neither of them were vaccinated.
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Well as I said, we never saw anyone we knew at the gym get it. Of course we don't know everyone at the gym. Especially since we go at a certain time, we would only see the people that went that hour. But the people we regularly saw, never got ill that we saw. I'm sure that they would have said something if they knew someone that got it in the gym.

As for your info about vax/unvax in hosp, try again. Almost every medical agency reported the opposite.

The latest data from the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) suggests that the proportion of unvaccinated Covid-19 cases being admitted after presenting to emergency care within 28 days of a positive test in England is now about 35%. The remaining cohort of patients were double or triple vaccinated. So 65 %.

This was not the outlier.

CALGARY - Numbers showing the majority of Alberta's COVID-19 hospital admissions are in vaccinated individuals.
Albertans with at least one shot took over more hospital beds than those without this week.

As of Thursday, in hospital, there were 282 patients with at least one or more shot, and about 24 unvaccinated people in an Alberta hospital.

The very fact that you needed multiple shots and multiple boosters is beyond ridiculous. IF...it supposedly mutates, into another form, then is the booster for that present form or still the original. Because if its the original shot again, then what are the boosters? Did they make new ones every 3 months and ship worldwide? Ha, no they did not.

Then, why doesn't other diseases mutate? Does measles mutate regularly? Never heard of a outbreak because it mutated? Does any other disease mutate? How come we never hear about it.

You know the flu shot hasn't done a dam thing. There was a Jan 24 2006 CBS news story on the 5pm news. In fact at 549 pm it aired. Look it up prob on utube.
Findings...from the CDC-over a 20 year period the uptake of flu shots by seniors went from 15 percent to 65 percent. It should have caused an x graph with deaths going down while shots went up. But instead deaths went up.
But it wasn't just in the US. They were shocked when they looked at the data, so after going over it many many times, they checked out countries data, and found the same. Australia, Canada, UK, France.

Funny thing you are from Ab, don't you remember the measles outbreak in 2018-2019. It spread amongst 20 of the 22 students. But the interesting thing was 17 were vaccinated, and there were 2 unvaccinated. Only 1 of the unvaccinated got ill, the other must have been immune or possibly previously exposed. Only 1 vaccinated child did not get it.
They tried to play it up that it was the unvaccinated child that must have brought it in. Ok, maybe. I don't disagree that could happen.

But that makes 2 questions that need to be asked.

Why did the vaccinated children get it? Isn't that what vaccinations are for? I mean yes there are break through cases but in 17 of 18 vaccinated students got it? Thats more than break though cases.

And where did the unvaccinated child (if they were the carrier) get it from? Because the childs family never had it, other relatives that they had seen lately were measles free as well. So...how does that work?

There was an outbreak in Montana as well that same year with the same type of results.

Then you have questions like are any of these childhood diseases really dangerous? Because I remember as a young child having to go play with kids that were sick with something. I had to go play with kids that had chicken pox. I never did get it for some reason. But every once in a while we had to go play with kids that were ill with typical childhood diseases. All the parents wanted the kids to get it, so we developed immunity. They knew we were in no danger.

In May of this year the first child since 1989 dies of measles in Ontario. Of course its sad and horrible, but it has to be said, why one 1? If its so dangerous and there are according to health Canada anywhere from 250k to possible 500k unvaccinated children in Canada, where are the deaths? Where are the over run hospitals with sick measles children? Not to mention other childhood diseases. Then the unfortunate question, was this child already weakened by another disease, poor immune system, genetic disposition to disease, cancer, etc. I mean I feel bad for any parent in this case, it would have killed me, but questions have to be asked otherwise we don't improve, evolve and discover.
 
Rindee said:
What most people don't know is that the first "corona virus" was identified in 1965, so it's nothing new, they just called this one #19. It still falls under the category of what corona viruses are actually...colds. flu's etc., so anyone who has had those, has had a form of a corona virus. I got sick yes, like every year during flu season, so I never worried about it, it passed in a few days...So, in truth, cv19 carries the same death rate of any other one...less than 1%, so that is hardly a "pandemic, now is it?
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Well said!
 
Rindee said:
What most people don't know is that the first "corona virus" was identified in 1965, so it's nothing new, they just called this one #19. It still falls under the category of what corona viruses are actually...colds. flu's etc., so anyone who has had those, has had a form of a corona virus. I got sick yes, like every year during flu season, so I never worried about it, it passed in a few days...So, in truth, cv19 carries the same death rate of any other one...less than 1%, so that is hardly a "pandemic, now is it?
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that is really not correct - COVID did not carry the same death rate as other corona viruses like common colds

Many more people died from Covid
 
Rindee said:
What most people don't know is that the first "corona virus" was identified in 1965, so it's nothing new, they just called this one #19. It still falls under the category of what corona viruses are actually...colds. flu's etc., so anyone who has had those, has had a form of a corona virus. I got sick yes, like every year during flu season, so I never worried about it, it passed in a few days...So, in truth, cv19 carries the same death rate of any other one...less than 1%, so that is hardly a "pandemic, now is it?
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You are completely right. Until the year 2009 the WHO had three criteria to define a pandemic. First: It must be a new virus or a new subtype, hence little immunity of the people who catch the diese. Second: The spread must be worldwide within a short time. Third: It must be dangerous that a high mortality worldwide could be expected.
But in May 2009 the expectation of a high mortality was removed from the definition.
The reason was that the WHO wanted to proclaim the swine flu as a pandemic. But the mortality was not very high, thus the change of the definition. Since that time every harmless cold could be proclaimed a pandemic if it meets the remaining two criteria. But a definition of a pandemic without a high mortality is useless.
 
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that is really not correct - COVID did not carry the same death rate as other corona viruses like common colds

Many more people died from Covid
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Really, who? The cdc even admitted the pcr could be 90-97 percent wrong. Everyone by now knows how inaccurate the testing was.

So if they were right, and I wholeheartedly agree the testing was false, wrong and waaaay exaggerated...what did these people die of? Was it maybe the 2-3 other co-morbidities they had?!

What were the stats...I think it was 96 percent of all deaths had 2-3 co-morbidities before covid. Then was it the isolation, drugs they gave, intubation that killed them? How the heck do you know it was covid? So many factors, no one could know. But considering worldwide stats now avail after 4 years show pretty much what Rindee said, and others. Less than 1 percent. Not a pandemic, not a concern, sure as heck not a reason to destroy economies, cancel education, surgeries, shun the unvaxxed, destroy trust in govts and families over.
 
Tazx said:
Really, who? The cdc even admitted the pcr could be 90-97 percent wrong. Everyone by now knows how inaccurate the testing was.

So if they were right, and I wholeheartedly agree the testing was false, wrong and waaaay exaggerated...what did these people die of? Was it maybe the 2-3 other co-morbidities they had?!

What were the stats...I think it was 96 percent of all deaths had 2-3 co-morbidities before covid. Then was it the isolation, drugs they gave, intubation that killed them? How the heck do you know it was covid? So many factors, no one could know. But considering worldwide stats now avail after 4 years show pretty much what Rindee said, and others. Less than 1 percent. Not a pandemic, not a concern, sure as heck not a reason to destroy economies, cancel education, surgeries, shun the unvaxxed, destroy trust in govts and families over.
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In Germany even every person who died from a traffic accident was declared as "death by Covid" if the PCR test was positive. And relatives of people which died in hospital should sign a declaration that their family member died of Covid. Sometimes they even were awarded money for the burial if they signed the declaration. The clinics were paid much more money for patients who died of Covid. On the other hand autopsies were prohibited since they could have shown the real cause of death (several co-morbidities as Tazx already wrote).
 
Yeah this whole covid garbage and vaccine garbage is falling apart quick.

Japan has had huge press conferences talking about what damage has been done by the shots. Several other nations have expressed serious concerns about birthrates falling. Here where we are all of a sudden a population known for popping out babies like candy, has fertility problems! Hmmm. Idaho medical recently pulled the shots, many many others have done so with no or little fanfare.

At a New Zealand cardiology conference, they released a huge statement;

At a recent cardiology meeting in Auckland, New Zealand, a striking admission was made: the spike protein generated by mRNA COVID-19 vaccines is now being recognized as a cardiotoxin — a substance capable of causing direct harm to the heart. According to the cardiologist who made the admission, this toxic protein is the root cause of the alarming increase in heart-related illnesses seen in both young and old patients since the vaccine’s roll out. As cardiology waiting rooms and cardiac wards fill to capacity — especially with young patients suffering from previously rare conditions — many healthcare professionals are beginning to speak out about a growing public health crisis that the government and health authorities seem determined to ignore.

Cardiologists have never seen heart damage like this in young people​

Emory University in Atlanta, and a team of immunologists recently posted;


The mRNA vaccines cause the body to produce short-lived plasma cells that can only generate antibodies for a period of time before dying off.

Vaccines like tetanus give long-lasting immunity, with antibodies persisting in the body for up to 10 years. COVID-19 antibodies rapidly wane three to six months after vaccination, often resulting in breakthrough infections.

The study’s senior author, Dr. Frances Eun-Hyung Lee, professor of medicine and director of Emory University’s Asthma, Allergy, and Immunology program, that it is still unclear why COVID-19 vaccines do not confer durable antibody immunity, though there are several possibilities.

According to the researcher, one reason could be that the body cannot form long-term immunity to COVID-19. The COVID-19 mRNA vaccine induces the body to produce COVID-19 spike proteins to stimulate the immune response. This spike protein may not be stimulating enough to cause the formation of lifelong plasma cells.

Another reason could be that the mRNA vaccine platform, which delivers the vaccine to the body, does not induce durable antibody immunity.

So I ask this question...since they all say covid will be with us forever (as the cold and flu always has been lol), that means that all those vaxxed people will have to take shots for the rest of their lives every 6 months or something. Really? Thats how you want to live!

And...

It was generally assumed that when people get infected with or vaccinated against viruses or bacteria, the immunity formed would be life-long, Dr. Stanley Perlman, a professor in the Microbiology & Immunology Department at the University of Iowa.

The study, published in Nature Medicine in September, followed 19 healthy volunteers who had taken influenza, tetanus, and several COVID-19 vaccines and boosters. Researchers extracted immune cells from their bone marrow and followed them for up to three years.

They found that these participants had durable plasma cells—a type of cell that provides lifelong immunity—that generate antibodies to influenza and tetanus but NONE or few durable plasma cells working against COVID-19 spike proteins.

When our B-cells (immune cells) encounter a pathogen, they divide into plasma cells and produce antibodies. Most of these cells will die, but a few will migrate into specific niches in the bone marrow and mature into long-lived plasma cells.

“Even if some of these cells want to die, they can’t,” Lee said. “They undergo changes in their RNA and changes in their DNA so that they can become resistant to apoptosis (cell death).”
In most cases, naturally occurring infections result in stronger immunity than vaccines can provide. Life-long immunity to influenza, for example, is likely driven by natural immunity rather than vaccination.

Boosting Did Not Increase Durable Antibodies​

Some study participants took several doses of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines during the study period.

The authors found that having more doses of mRNA vaccines did “not necessarily promote more” long-lived plasma cell responses in the study’s small cohort.

“These findings reinforce the fact that boosters are not really working at this point,“ Varon said. ”Boosters can temporarily restore protection by increasing circulating antibodies and memory immune cells.”

All these people are immunologists and microbiologist that base their life on studying these things. Pretty sure none of this has made the news! Don't want to destroy your business model for vaccines!!

This was a professional Athlete in the US, (couldn't say the team or his name as per ownership policy);
I had Covid in October 2021. 6 days felt like crap. They came out with a Covid antibody test about that time. 8 weeks later I was having a routine Dr. appt to check cholesterol and other hormone levels. I was like as long as you are drawing blood I’ll take the Covid antibody test. It actually had a metric telling you how high your Covid antibodies were. I was at the highest level 80/100. Every 6 to 9 months the next 2 years I have taken that test. I still have the highest level. Not vaxxed. I remember Fauci going “natural immunity wanes after 60-90 days”. Ya BS Fauci. I have not been sick since October 2021. Natural immunity works.

Since the beginning of my life thats all I ever heard. Thats how the immune system works. It reacts, recognizes, attacks, destroys, then makes copy to store in your body for the future. Simple and logical.

More info;

Wayback Machine

A Lancet study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated people in Sweden was conducted among 1.6 million individuals over nine months. It showed that protection against symptomatic COVID-19 declined with time, such that by six months, some of the more vulnerable vaccinated groups were at greater risk than their unvaccinated peers.

Doctors are calling this phenomena in the repeatedly vaccinated “immune erosion” or “acquired immune deficiency”, accounting for elevated incidence of myocarditis and other post-vaccine illnesses that either affect them more rapidly, resulting in death, or more slowly, resulting in chronic illness.

COVID vaccines are not traditional vaccines. Rather, they cause cells to reproduce one portion of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the spike protein. The vaccines thus induce the body to create spike proteins. A person only creates antibodies against this one limited portion (the spike protein) of the virus. This has several downstream deleterious effects.

First, these vaccines “mis-train” the immune system to recognize only a small part of the virus (the spike protein). Variants that differ, even slightly, in this protein are able to escape the narrow spectrum of antibodies created by the vaccines.

Second, the vaccines create “vaccine addicts,” meaning persons become dependent upon regular booster shots, because they have been “vaccinated” only against a tiny portion of a mutating virus. Australian Health Minister Dr. Kerry Chant has stated that COVID will be with us forever and people will “have to get used to” taking endless vaccines. “This will be a regular cycle of vaccination and revaccination.”

Third, the vaccines do not prevent infection in the nose and upper airways, and vaccinated individuals have been shown to have much higher viral loads in these regions. This leads to the vaccinated becoming “super-spreaders” as they carry extremely high viral loads.

In addition, the vaccinated become more clinically ill than the unvaccinated. Scotland reported that the infection fatality rate in the vaccinated is 3.3 times the unvaccinated, and the risk of death if hospitalized is 2.15 times the unvaccinated.

A June report on Israel's Channel 12 News revealed that in the months since the vaccines were rolled out, 6,765 people who received both shots had contracted coronavirus, while epidemiological tracing revealed an additional 3,133 people contracted COVID-19 from those vaccinated individuals.

Meanwhile, New England Journal of Medicine researchers have found that autoimmune response to the coronavirus spike protein may last indefinitely: “Ab2 antibodies binding to the original receptor on normal cells therefore have the potential to mediate profound effects on the cell that could result in pathologic changes, particularly in the long term — long after the original antigen itself has disappeared.” These antibodies produced against the coronavirus spike protein could be responsible for the current unprecedented wave of myocarditis and neurological illnesses, and even more problems in the future.

This info took me the time to have a coffee to find on the internet and in many saved files. It's all there to find but it seems people don't want to search or know the truth.

Information is knowledge, knowledge is intellect, intellect is logic, and logic is common sense. Somewhere that chain was broken for most.
 
Rindee said:
What most people don't know is that the first "corona virus" was identified in 1965, so it's nothing new, they just called this one #19. It still falls under the category of what corona viruses are actually...colds. flu's etc., so anyone who has had those, has had a form of a corona virus. I got sick yes, like every year during flu season, so I never worried about it, it passed in a few days...So, in truth, cv19 carries the same death rate of any other one...less than 1%, so that is hardly a "pandemic, now is it?
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They called it Covid19 because it flared up to very high numbers in the year 2019, not because it was the 19th time they had seen it, and no one ever said it was the very first time a corona virus had been seen.

It's nice that you didn't get very sick or know anyone who did but lots of people did die.

I had to go to the hospital and I'm pretty sure I would have died if I hadn't. My friend's daughter died of it after a long fight in the hospital and another friend lost her mother to it. In my entire life I've never know anyone personally who died of a cold or the flu.

I don't understand the sense of superiority and satisfaction some people seem to get by saying it was no big deal. Maybe it didn't fit a certain definition of "pandemic" or some people were miss documented, maybe you personally were unaffected, maybe Covid numbers don't compare to the Black Death or the 1918 Flu Pandemic, but it did kill half a million people and they weren't all actually car accidents.

The fact remains that hospital corridors were packed with sick people and nurses were working around the clock. They were dying of something, now weren't they?
 
I lost 2 cousins to Covid before there was a vax, and then, one friend, who was a MD, after the vax was available. (He was not vaxxed, and swore it was just the flu, and believed that until, while in the hospital, he took his last breath and died. From Covid...)
 
Never got Covid and was tested numerous times.
I've had every shot offered in the Pfizer series, with no side effects.

Before I deployed to Desert Storm, we had up to 15 vaccinations, most at the same time.
They included:

Yellow Fever
Typhoid
Cholera
Hepatitis B
Meningitis
Whooping Cough
Polio
Tetanus
Plague
Anthrax

The one that worried me the most was the Anthrax vaccination.

I figured that if you mix all of those together, my body just looked at Covid
and said, 'bring it on, no room for you'. (not being flip, just a serious thought)
 
Della said:
They called it Covid19 because it flared up to very high numbers in the year 2019, not because it was the 19th time they had seen it, and no one ever said it was the very first time a corona virus had been seen.

It's nice that you didn't get very sick or know anyone who did but lots of people did die.

I had to go to the hospital and I'm pretty sure I would have died if I hadn't. My friend's daughter died of it after a long fight in the hospital and another friend lost her mother to it. In my entire life I've never know anyone personally who died of a cold or the flu.

I don't understand the sense of superiority and satisfaction some people seem to get by saying it was no big deal. Maybe it didn't fit a certain definition of "pandemic" or some people were miss documented, maybe you personally were unaffected, maybe Covid numbers don't compare to the Black Death or the 1918 Flu Pandemic, but it did kill half a million people and they weren't all actually car accidents.

The fact remains that hospital corridors were packed with sick people and nurses were working around the clock. They were dying of something, now weren't they?
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Sorry our hospitals in Canada in 2014 and 2018 were filled with people in corridors and spare rooms. Just the norm. Canada famous for hallway medicine. And yes some places were filled but with people with other illnesses. Not because of covid. All the stats prove co-morbidities were the greater cause.

Also, I still have to know how all those doctors and nurses had time to make 1000's of tik tok videos if they were soooooo busy around the clock. It took a lot of practice. These are not professionals that learn a dance in a few minutes and can pass it off as normal. These are doctors and nurses not dancers. How long did they practice? Why? What was the point? And for pete sakes where did they get the time? Were they not overrun? Ha, unlikely.

And to your other point...Its not superiority or satisfaction...its the fact that it wasn't that big of a deal because it was blown up to something huge when it shouldn't have been. It was at most a bad cold and flu year. Period.

The statistics and numbers now after 4 years is telling a much much different story than you and everyone were told during the covid scamdemic. None of it was true. It was all exaggerated to such a degree that we all had to live in fear. Or rather they tried to get us all to live in fear.

Fear, isolation, shame, job loss, business closures, family break ups, lack of schooling, kids being bored and cramped all day, seniors left alone, masks, sanitizer, 6 feet, fear, fear, fear. Over and over again. Have you ever looked into military torture? Isolation, constant state of fear of death, shaming, demeaning etc all used to torture and break people. I have read mil docs on it, and see a few videos of it taking place. People die from simply that alone. Healthy people die from that. Now add in the fact that 94 percent were elderly, 96-97 percent had co-morbidities, and for already sick people, add in constant stress, fear, and what do you have? A perfect storm. They had no chance.
 
As an aside, about 3 of every 4 Americans are overweight or obese, and about 1 in 5 are 65 or older, with overlap between those two groups. I fit into both groups, and also am diabetic. So, given those 3 "co-morbidities" I guess If I got Covid and died, it's my own damn fault, not Covid. I mentioned my 2 cousins, both of whom were >65 and overweight/obese. Absent Covid, they would still be alive today. So this whole, flippant, casual dismissal of Covid deaths because, well, they were old and fat, is disgusting. Please stop pi$$ing on the graves of the million Americans who died FROM Covid.
 
Della said:
They called it Covid19 because it flared up to very high numbers in the year 2019, not because it was the 19th time they had seen it, and no one ever said it was the very first time a corona virus had been seen.

It's nice that you didn't get very sick or know anyone who did but lots of people did die.

I had to go to the hospital and I'm pretty sure I would have died if I hadn't. My friend's daughter died of it after a long fight in the hospital and another friend lost her mother to it. In my entire life I've never know anyone personally who died of a cold or the flu.

I don't understand the sense of superiority and satisfaction some people seem to get by saying it was no big deal. Maybe it didn't fit a certain definition of "pandemic" or some people were miss documented, maybe you personally were unaffected, maybe Covid numbers don't compare to the Black Death or the 1918 Flu Pandemic, but it did kill half a million people and they weren't all actually car accidents.

The fact remains that hospital corridors were packed with sick people and nurses were working around the clock. They were dying of something, now weren't they?
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Really? How many hospitals did you visit to see this you are claiming? I live not far from 2 hospitals, and as far as I saw, it was business as usual, far from what you were seeing on tv, I saw in reality, I know of no one who died from this type of flu, and I never said no one died from it, people do die from flu's, but I knew of no one who did, and many who did die allegedlyfrom it, died from other conditions, not specifically c19, but were determined to have died from it, so that's not an accurate measurement.
This was not just my assessment of that situation...Anthony Fauci himself wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine, that c19 was akin to a severe cold or flu and carried the same death rate of less than 1% (look it up yourself!). As for the "Flu pandemic" of 1918", there were 2 experimental treatments being used on patients that caused more deaths than the flu itself..what were they? I'm sure you don't know, so I will enlighten you.....an experimental vaccine, and a new medicine created by Bayer.....aspirin.
A bit of advice, don't believe all you see on tv, oh wait!! Of course it was real, you saw it on television!!! Also, there isn't, and never has been a test to identify a specific virus, you go to the doctor, sick, and he tells you that you have a virus, no test done to determine this, why? Because there isn't one. So how can you say half a million died from it when all the proof you have, is what you read or saw on the news? Think, or research, before you type.
 

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