Has the curve really flattened?

Barbiegirl said:
I'm in Florida, where the cases continue to rise. Saturday's toll was 10,059 new cases (third highest in a single day) which tipped us over the 200,000 mark. Here's the problem: the very people protesting closures and demanding a full reopening of the state are largely the same people who refuse to observe CDC guidelines wrt social distancing and hygiene. Epidemiologists have stated that the closures here aren't necessary if our government would adopt a stronger stance and citizens would take personal responsibility for their behavior, but... nope. And the CDC bears a large amount of blame for citizens' current attitudes btw. I'm not letting the CDC off the hook for their part in this massive cock-up.

Here's the bottom line: If you care about your fellow humans, you'll want the economy reopened. To reopen the economy, you need to do your part to flatten the curve and keep it flat. You can't pretend to care about the loss of jobs and livelihoods while refusing to participate in the solution. (using the collective "you", not you personally Graham)

That's how I see it, from my view here in the front row of an epicenter.
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Amen, Sister.
 

There is some opinions that it has already mutated,haven't seen it confirmed anywhere yet but Covid seems to have taken a backseat to what else is going on...
My daughter had it twice,sick enough to scare me but quarantined not hospitalized.
I do believe at some future point we're going to have to live with it,not unlike the flu,with recommended precautions for the elderly and compromised,we simply can't shut down the country again.
 
Barbiegirl said:
No, the virus can't be beaten 100% by the health department guidelines. That's not how viruses act, and even a vaccine isn't likely to be fully effective if this virus can mutate like many others do. Flattening the curve is about getting it to a controlled level where healthcare facilities aren't overwhelmed, testing is adequate and we aren't on a runaway train. That doesn't mean 0 cases. But it means much, much better than over 10,000 new cases per day just in the state of Florida. We also need to better understand how to treat with early intervention to prevent cases from getting critical. Personally I think more effective treatment is a likelier solution than a vaccine, but let's hope I'm super wrong about that.

And we know that the virus can be adequately controlled by social distancing and hygiene measures, because we saw the improvements happen here and in other areas. Unfortunately, once the heavy lockdowns were eased here in Florida people and businesses refused to follow safety guidelines. And now we're looking at over 10,000 new cases per day and hospitals reaching capacity again. Again, the epidemiolgists said we shouldn't need to lock down again, if we all behave responsibly. So far people refuse to do so, then they complain about the consequences.



And I am grateful to people like you. If everyone would only do their small part we could all have a brighter outcome, faster. Mainstream as my opinion may be, I don't think you and I are really that far apart in our views. I want the best of all of us and that includes the ability to feed our families.
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I think a vaccine might defeat this Coronavirus, or at least as good as defeat it, but it isn't guaranteed, and no one knows for certain when.
I can accept the lockdown measures to date, (though even they are controversial, in the sense not all countries have followed suit at least). However, where the balance should be struck, between achieving some level of control is my issue, (and if you've followed the thread some dont even what to think there is a balance of risks, and all anyone should be focusing upon is "risk", while there is any virus around. I think this is unreasonable and unrealistic, because life has always been a gamble I'm told, and taking my arguments to extremes once again, we're seriously asking the population at large to socially distance themselves from other human beings, or at least those not from their own homes, and living with them, (I know there is some relaxation over here going on, but not that much).
In theory no one is allowed to meet someone and "fall in love" so long as our government's say so, or "indefinitely" (in theory). In the UK we even had one expert telling those in a relationship but not yet living together, to move in with one another at the start of the lockdown (if they couldn't accept living apart, and still wanted to meet each other). That's some degree of intrusion into people's lives, a government spokesperson handing out flippant advice like that to everyone.
Finally you hold out hope for a brighter future "sooner" if everyone follows to rules. I accept trying to control infection rates is necessary, and if and when a successful vaccine comes along lives saved in the meantime will be worth it, but there are no guarantees it will work out that way.
 

Where is this curve we are supposed to be flattening? Florida is still spiking. Yesterday, Friday, added 11,433 new cases bringing total to 244,151. My county added 405 cases bring total to 6,611. FLorida deaths are at 4,102. 1 in every 71 people in my zip have been infected.

Fallout from the holiday weekend should be just now showing up.
 
gennie said:
Where is this curve we are supposed to be flattening? Florida is still spiking. Yesterday, Friday, added 11,433 new cases bringing total to 244,151. My county added 405 cases bring total to 6,611. FLorida deaths are at 4,102. 1 in every 71 people in my zip have been infected.

Fallout from the holiday weekend should be just now showing up.
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The curve flattens or cases spike, depending on what they want us to believe.
 
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