Hawaii Wants To Put Gun Owners In A Federal Data Base

I remember reading something years ago that Hawaii was taking down all the coconut palm trees along its beaches because tourists were messing around under the trees and the coconuts were falling on their heads. Apparently no resident Hawaiian had ever been injured this way.

That's my idea of "violence" in Hawaii! Magnum notwithstanding.
 
If such a data base were created, ONLY the responsible gun owners....who will probably Never use their firearms illegally...would be on such a list. You can bet that the drug gangs and criminals would NOT participate. Such proposed actions are little more than "Feel Good" nonsense, that the anti-gun crowd thinks will have some positive effect.

If history is any indicator, the First Step a corrupt government or dictatorship takes is to disarm its citizens. Once the people have No means of defending themselves, the takeover is Easy.

One should always remember that the Primary reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment was to give the People some means of defending themselves against a corrupted government.
 
Don M. said:
If such a data base were created, ONLY the responsible gun owners....who will probably Never use their firearms illegally...would be on such a list. You can bet that the drug gangs and criminals would NOT participate.
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I agree Don. Maybe if they spent all the time and effort on something constructive, like catching the real criminals and controlling or eliminating the street gangs all across America, there would be some positive improvements in the crime situation, especially in the big cities where gun control is strict and crime and murder in the streets is highest.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I agree Don. Maybe if they spent all the time and effort on something constructive, like catching the real criminals and controlling or eliminating the street gangs all across America, there would be some positive improvements in the crime situation, especially in the big cities where gun control is strict and crime and murder in the streets is highest.
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Yup, Illinois, and especially the city of Chicago, has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Chicago is one of the most violent and crime ridden cities in the nation, and the government of Illinois is a bad joke.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I agree Don. Maybe if they spent all the time and effort on something constructive, like catching the real criminals and controlling or eliminating the street gangs all across America, there would be some positive improvements in the crime situation, especially in the big cities where gun control is strict and crime and murder in the streets is highest.
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I agree. Why do some people think the bad guys give a hoot what the law says?? Like street gangs and murderers are going to rush right down and register their weapons . . . .
 
I think ATF already tracks guns themselves upto the store where it is sold. After an inquiry to the store or dealer police will already have a starting point as to who owns it. Besides the proverbial first step or proverbial foot in the door it's basically redundant and does not account for the criminals.

Don M is right. This is a political feel good measure.
 
"If history is any indicator, the First Step a corrupt government or dictatorship takes is to disarm its citizens. Once the people have No means of defending themselves, the takeover is Easy. "

Don, not only is your statement insulting to myself and everyone who lives in a country that doesn't advocate guns, its scary think there are people out there who actually think this way.
 
I don't like the statement about the corrupt govt./dictatorship either, and don't think that that is what you have. Every time they try to do something to control guns someone jumps the gun and thinks their second amendment rights are being violated. People are going to still be able to have guns! Your second amendment is not going to be violated. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
 
Hmmm. Cookie, I concur. Sadly, not too long ago, the Canadians were also informed by this poster, of our supposed irrelevance on the global political stage. Apparently, only the world powers, such as America, Russia, China, etc hold any

importance outside their own borders. At the time, I laughed it off, but nevertheless, it stung. What an arrogant, short-sighted, hegemonic perspective of the world, fortunately, most Americans on this board hold a far more enlightened view. We are allies after all, not satellites.
 
You know what is ****ed up? I can buy a gun legally. But it is cheaper than my hubby's RX for Parkinson's. I can go down to the bus stop and get a week of recreational chemicals easily. But for hubby's RX I have to do a bunch of faxes and contact the doctor again and again.

Tell the dealers...add to half and half n' chivas...goof on Michael J Fox...Allies? Parkinson's meds...the world gone mad
 
Ruthanne said:
I don't like the statement about the corrupt govt./dictatorship either, and don't think that that is what you have. Every time they try to do something to control guns someone jumps the gun and thinks their second amendment rights are being violated. People are going to still be able to have guns! Your second amendment is not going to be violated. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
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I think he was talking about a hypothetical future scenario, not the present government.
 
Shalimar said:
Hmmm. Cookie, I concur. Sadly, not too long ago, the Canadians were also informed by this poster, of our supposed irrelevance on the global political stage. Apparently, only the world powers, such as America, Russia, China, etc hold any

importance outside their own borders. At the time, I laughed it off, but nevertheless, it stung. What an arrogant, short-sighted, hegemonic perspective of the world, fortunately, most Americans on this board hold a far more enlightened view. We are allies after all, not satellites.
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Well Shali, I certainly don't think you guys are irrelevant!!
 
Don M. said:
If history is any indicator, the First Step a corrupt government or dictatorship takes is to disarm its citizens. Once the people have No means of defending themselves, the takeover is Easy.

One should always remember that the Primary reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment was to give the People some means of defending themselves against a corrupted government.
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You're right Don, seems to be a few examples of what you're saying here.


1. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves against their ethnic-cleansing government, were arrested and exterminated.

2. In 1929, the former Soviet Union established gun control as a means of controlling the “more difficult” of their citizens. From 1929 to the death of Stalin, 40 million Soviets met an untimely end at the hand of various governmental agencies as they were arrested and exterminated.

3. After the rise of the Nazi’s, Germany established their version of gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves against the “Brown Shirts”, were arrested and exterminated.

Interestingly, the Brown Shirts were eventually targeted for extermination themselves following their blind acts of allegiance to Hitler. Any American military and police would be wise to grasp the historical significance of the Brown Shirts’ fate.

4. After Communist China established gun control in 1935, an estimated 50 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves against their fascist leaders, were arrested and exterminated.

5. Closer to home, Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayans, unable to defend themselves against their ruthless dictatorship, were arrested and exterminated.

6. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves from their dictatorial government, were arrested and exterminated.



7. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million of the “educated” people, unable to defend themselves against their fascist government, were arrested and exterminated.

8. In 1994, Rwanda disarmed the Tutsi people and being unable to defend themselves from their totalitarian government, nearly one million were summarily executed.

The total numbers of victims who lost their lives because of gun control is approximately 70 million people in the 20th century. The historical voices from 70 million corpses speak loudly and clearly to those Americans who are advocating for a de facto gun ban.

Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined. Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals and it all followed gun control.

Historically, American gun control legislation has been imitating Hitler’s Nazi Germany gun control legislation for quite some time. Consider the key provisions of the Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 and compare it with the United States Gun Control Act of 1968. The parallels of both the provisions and the legal language are eerily similar.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I don't think he said that, he's talking about historical facts which warn of future possibilities. http://www.mercyseat.net/gun_genocide.html
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That's right...I was referring to the many corrupted governments, globally, that have banned weapons in the past, and committed atrocities as a result. I certainly wasn't referring to present day Canada or Australia, but I guess I assumed that people were aware of enough History to be see that...apparently not. The summation you posted is a pretty good history of some of the Worst events that have occurred.

There are always those who say "That could never happen here"...but History would argue otherwise. Who knows what kind of governments present day nations will have in the future.
 
It seems to me that people are conflating two different concepts i.e. gun regulation and abolition of the right to own a gun.

I don't know how many times we have to say it but countries like Canada, New Zealand and Australia have not abolished guns. Certain military style weapons are not allowed to civilians but people may own other guns provided they pass certain checks and their weapons are registered and reregistered when they are sold or handed on to other family members. We do the same with cars. It is all very sensible and we are not under the heel of Big Brother.
 

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