Health Care CEO murdered in NYC in a targeted attack

Buckeye said:
Well, when your revenues are $371.6 Billion, the math works out. UNH is, based on revenues, the 9th largest company in the world. How much of their stock do you own?

And as a comparison, Apple revenue was $391 billion for 2024, and their net income, which was negatively impacted by a European tax issue, was a mere $94 billion. That's only 24%. So is their CEO "fair game"?

(full disclosure -UNH is my supplement to Medicare, and we have 2 apple phones. No problems with phones or insurance..)
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Let's make this perfectly clear----------no body is "fair game."
 

againstthegrain said:
Let's make this perfectly clear----------no body is "fair game."
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I agree, but some of the folks on here think the shooting victim was fair game. It is clear from their posts, since they applaud and cheer for the death of the young man because insurance bad.

"understandable", "karma", "actions have consequences", etc
 
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Buckeye said:
lol - funny, I loved that show. But it is clear from your posts that you know nothing about business/accounting, and are quite willing to show your ignorance again. Furthermore, you support and cheer for the brutal murder of a young man for doing his job. Sadly, you are not alone.
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One more for my ignore list.

 
"doing his job". LOL. Doing it very well at 32% rate of denial. Of course UNH could have cut costs, reduced head count, raised the price, found cheaper suppliers, on and on, but the easiest thing is to deny claims of the insured. So that's what they all do at varying rates.
 
againstthegrain said:
"doing his job". LOL. Doing it very well at 32% rate of denial. Of course UNH could have cut costs, reduced head count, raised the price, found cheaper suppliers, on and on, but the easiest thing is to deny claims of the insured. So that's what they all do at varying rates.
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Unless you have some direct knowledge of their operations, and effort to reduce costs, you're just blowing smoke.

I can only speak from my own experience, having watched both of my wives and my son deal with life ending diseases, and my own health issues, we have never had a denied claim.
 
seadoug said:
I was a VP at a subsidiary of a publicly traded company. Domestically, I always flew business class and internationally I flew first class when traveling on business. I could pick my own flights with a ceiling on the cost. There was a meal allowance on a per diem basis but it was generous. If I was entertaining clients the sky was basically the limit. The executives above me had quite lavish lifestyles. Our CEO retired and built a $9 million house.

We never had to go through an IRS audit because we were following the guidelines, so your assumption that there is austerity at publicly traded companies is dead wrong. And, not surprisingly, you called someone "ignorant" just because they don't agree with you point of view.
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lol - well, coincidentally, I was in charge of Accounting (VP) for a large subsidiary of an even larger publicly traded company that you have heard of, and I have dealt with IRS audits, etc. They (IRS) never found anything out of line, because we too followed the rules. And our parent company had an internal audit team, and since we were the largest subsidiary, we saw them all the time.

The poster I was referring to was just talking ignorant trash, as is so often the case, and making up stuff. If there were any $3000 hookers, I missed them, and we reviewed every travel report line by line, and nothing was reimbursed without a receipt. Our travel was all domestic, and if you wanted to go first class, you paid the difference. All of our executives were well compensated (I was charged with calculating our VPs' & COO's annual bonus) and lived life pretty good. Lavish, though, is a relative concept.

I never said a thing about austerity, but what that poster was talking about was simply an ignorant rant. And he wasn't just disagreeing, and that's not why I called him ignorant. He was talking nonsense, and thereby showing his own ignorance. And continued to do so. I just pointed it out.
 
Here's a different perspective. Do I feel sorry that his wife and 2 sons no longer have a husband/father? Absolutely. I am not completely devoid of empathy. Did the man make himself a target? Probably.

He faced threats and didn't have security. What controversial CEO with $10 million in earnings wouldn't take precautions? He was named as one of 3 United Healthcare execs in a class action suit for dumping $15 million in stock in an anti-trust case. That is in addition to what others have mentioned about the company's treatment of its customers.

And for those who think UHC is so great, they don't even believe in covering preventative medicine. I was a smoker for many years but quit quite a while ago. Under Blue Cross Blue Shield, they partially paid for a CT Scan each year. When I went on my partner's insurance under UHC, they refused to pay for it. Medicare now encourages it.
 
seadoug said:
Here's a different perspective. Do I feel sorry that his wife and 2 sons no longer have a husband/father? Absolutely. I am not completely devoid of empathy. Did the man make himself a target? Probably.

He faced threats and didn't have security. What controversial CEO with $10 million in earnings wouldn't take precautions? He was named as one of 3 United Healthcare execs in a class action suit for dumping $15 million in stock in an anti-trust case. That is in addition to what others have mentioned about the company's treatment of its customers.

And for those who think UHC is so great, they don't even believe in covering preventative medicine. I was a smoker for many years but quit quite a while ago. Under Blue Cross Blue Shield, they partially paid for a CT Scan each year. When I went on my partner's insurance under UHC, they refused to pay for it. Medicare now encourages it.
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Well, according to what I read, he and other exec did have security, but they did not make this trip. No explanation as to why.

And for all that other stuff, does that justify shooting him in the back?
 
Buckeye said:
lol - well, coincidentally, I was in charge of Accounting (VP) for a large subsidiary of an even larger publicly traded company that you have heard of, and I have dealt with IRS audits, etc. They (IRS) never found anything out of line, because we too followed the rules. And our parent company had an internal audit team, and since we were the largest subsidiary, we saw them all the time.

The poster I was referring to was just talking ignorant trash, as is so often the case, and making up stuff. If there were any $3000 hookers, I missed them, and we reviewed every travel report line by line, and nothing was reimbursed without a receipt. Our travel was all domestic, and if you wanted to go first class, you paid the difference. All of our executives were well compensated (I was charged with calculating our VPs' & COO's annual bonus) and lived life pretty good. Lavish, though, is a relative concept.

I never said a thing about austerity, but what that poster was talking about was simply an ignorant rant. And he wasn't just disagreeing, and that's not why I called him ignorant. He was talking nonsense, and thereby showing his own ignorance. And continued to do so. I just pointed it out.
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Yes, I remember from another post that you were in a high position in Accounting. I applaud you for that. I was in sales, so I'm not necessarily a "numbers" guy but someone had to keep us in line! I did oversee a $3 million sales/marketing/travel budget. Small potatoes but it taught me a lot.

No, there were never hookers, but we did have a good life.
 
Other information is coming out that there was a bomb threat at his home the day before the shooting, but no bomb was found. This should have given him a warning that his life might be in danger and he should have had his guards along with him.
He was supposed to testify for the DOJ investigation, so the bomb threat might have been to warn him not to do that or at least not to reveal things the company wanted to keep hidden.
This would not be the first time that someone was supposed to testify and ended up dead.
 
Buckeye said:
Well, according to what I read, he and other exec did have security, but they did not make this trip. No explanation as to why.

And for all that other stuff, does that justify shooting him in the back?
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No, it doesn't justify it, but it does make him more of a target. I'm in no way celebrating his death like so many on the internet. I don't think there is anyone that deserves that.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
Other information is coming out that there was a bomb threat at his home the day before the shooting, but no bomb was found. This should have given him a warning that his life might be in danger and he should have had his guards along with him.
He was supposed to testify for the DOJ investigation, so the bomb threat might have been to warn him not to do that or at least not to reveal things the company wanted to keep hidden.
This would not be the first time that someone was supposed to testify and ended up dead.
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As I said a few posts back, he and the other execs had security but they did not make this trip. No explanation as to why, but it will be raw meat for the usual conspiracy theorists.

I know what it's like to be the target of a threat from a disgruntled employee, and had 24 hour police protection outside of my home for a few days until he was caught. It is very disconcerting, and of course my neighbors (it was a very nice neighborhood) were a little disgruntled themselves, and I could not blame them. These issues are not as cut and dried as some folks think.
 
Buckeye said:
Unless you have some direct knowledge of their operations, and effort to reduce costs, you're just blowing smoke.

I can only speak from my own experience, having watched both of my wives and my son deal with life ending diseases, and my own health issues, we have never had a denied claim.
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We do know they denied claims at twice the industry average. I guess all the other HI companies are just softies approving anything and everything.
 
Or perhaps this is just all a morality lesson...bad things happen to bad people. Maybe all of these other Dragons hoarding their coins at the expense of marginalized people, will take notice.
 
againstthegrain said:
Ridiculous statement.

You don't have a clue about what other people think, that's clear. You came here to argue, couldn't find a argument, so you created positions to argue against.
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I wish you were right, but there are at least 8 or 10 (or more) folks on here who are applauding the shooting of the CEO. It was "understandable", "karma", "actions have consequences", yada yada. Go back and read the thread. I could give you user names but I'll let you do your own work.

I think I know who doesn't have a clue, and it ain't me....
 

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