Heard a phrase...for 'introspection'
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feywon
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Yes, it is an explanation but it does not excuse otherwise reprehensible behavior.
bobcat
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Well, at the risk of sounding trite, it's complicated. It's a discussion with many layers.
At it's root, it asks the question: Is there any uncaused cause? Philosophers have been debating this for thousands of years with no clear answer, or at least one that can be proven.
On a similar plane, it introduces the question of whether we are no more than our genetics, our raised environment and exposure, our experiences in life, our mentors, education, etc... , and again, centuries of debate. For instance: Let's say a child is born in one country to a set of parents and extended family, grew up in a neighborhood in a certain area of the country, went to determined schools, and had a "normal" childhood, how would that young adult think, respond, and behave?
Now lets take the same fertilized embryo, implant it in the womb of a married mother in a different country, and all experience, education, and exposure to the world is totally different. The genetic combination is the same, but everything else is different. Would it end up being a different person with different behavior and personality. I think most would agree that the two different worlds would shape a very different person.
Back to the OP question. I think it is true, but it's not always true. I think it would be more accurate to say that hurt people can hurt people. Let's say a damaged person goes to the park every week, and happens to sit next to a retired therapist. They exchange a few words, and before long the therapist becomes aware of the hurt, and suggests they meet again in the tranquil setting.
After a year of doing so, and many conversations, the therapist helps the damaged person to see things in a different light and respond with different insights and is able to break with habit patterns. The injured has learned that everyone is fighting some sort of battles in life, and that understanding makes a difference. He may only be successful 50% of the time, but hopefully he is a work in progress that will get better with time.
At it's root, it asks the question: Is there any uncaused cause? Philosophers have been debating this for thousands of years with no clear answer, or at least one that can be proven.
On a similar plane, it introduces the question of whether we are no more than our genetics, our raised environment and exposure, our experiences in life, our mentors, education, etc... , and again, centuries of debate. For instance: Let's say a child is born in one country to a set of parents and extended family, grew up in a neighborhood in a certain area of the country, went to determined schools, and had a "normal" childhood, how would that young adult think, respond, and behave?
Now lets take the same fertilized embryo, implant it in the womb of a married mother in a different country, and all experience, education, and exposure to the world is totally different. The genetic combination is the same, but everything else is different. Would it end up being a different person with different behavior and personality. I think most would agree that the two different worlds would shape a very different person.
Back to the OP question. I think it is true, but it's not always true. I think it would be more accurate to say that hurt people can hurt people. Let's say a damaged person goes to the park every week, and happens to sit next to a retired therapist. They exchange a few words, and before long the therapist becomes aware of the hurt, and suggests they meet again in the tranquil setting.
After a year of doing so, and many conversations, the therapist helps the damaged person to see things in a different light and respond with different insights and is able to break with habit patterns. The injured has learned that everyone is fighting some sort of battles in life, and that understanding makes a difference. He may only be successful 50% of the time, but hopefully he is a work in progress that will get better with time.
LoveTulips
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As I have mentioned before elsewhere in Senior Forum, my Dad was abused and he was the kindest human being, so your statement is not true for everyone.
Nathan
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So what do you view as being a connection to "introspection", which is: "the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes." ?
Lewkat
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Nathan just took the words right out of my mouth.
gruntlabor
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We're animals, predators, we're often cruel, and for good reason. The young and the strong are often even more cruel. The weak perish even in these times of ease and prosperity.
I know one thing: Character, strength, resolve is not built on happiness, but on suffering if we can only escape being a twisted monster of a person. We need some form of spiritualism or philosophy to preserve our humanity.
Contemplation of these things serves to teach some of us survival tactics, that's about the best we can do.
I know one thing: Character, strength, resolve is not built on happiness, but on suffering if we can only escape being a twisted monster of a person. We need some form of spiritualism or philosophy to preserve our humanity.
Contemplation of these things serves to teach some of us survival tactics, that's about the best we can do.
Repondering
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I think that a person who deliberately inflicts suffering on another person is expressing their own suffering,,,,,comparable to a vessel filled with more water than it can hold and so overflows.
Responding to them in a similar mode resolves nothing but rather, aggravates the situation.
Jesus would have us turn the other cheek but I'm not persuaded that the one-size-fits-all response is always the best.
For my part, I assume the deliberately hurtful person is some form of emotional casualty and deserves compassion, however,
in practical terms, I usually try to avoid them or minimize any possible future provocation of them.
I'm not a saint.
Responding to them in a similar mode resolves nothing but rather, aggravates the situation.
Jesus would have us turn the other cheek but I'm not persuaded that the one-size-fits-all response is always the best.
For my part, I assume the deliberately hurtful person is some form of emotional casualty and deserves compassion, however,
in practical terms, I usually try to avoid them or minimize any possible future provocation of them.
I'm not a saint.
Ronni
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“Hurt people hurt people” is another way of explaining generational trauma.
From Wiki:
There is evidence suggesting that trauma can be passed down to subsequent generations, not through DNA mutations, but through epigenetic changes. This means that traumatic experiences can alter how genes are expressed, and these changes can be passed on to offspring. This phenomenon is known as transgenerational trauma or intergenerational trauma.
From Wiki:
There is evidence suggesting that trauma can be passed down to subsequent generations, not through DNA mutations, but through epigenetic changes. This means that traumatic experiences can alter how genes are expressed, and these changes can be passed on to offspring. This phenomenon is known as transgenerational trauma or intergenerational trauma.
Paco Dennis
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There are many kinds of poison. Some make us happy. Some can kill us. Which of these berries are poisones?
gruntlabor
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We excuse monstrous behavior, but throw rocks and spit at the IQ challenged