Here we go again...back to mask wearing and WFH

Despite Boris 's promise that there will be no lockdowns or closures before Christmas this year ..a leaked memo today has shown..this...

Britain’s top public health officials have advised ministers that “stringent national measures” need to be imposed by 18 December to avoid Covid hospitalisations surpassing last winter’s peak, according to documents leaked to the Guardian.

Sajid Javid, the health secretary, received a presentation from the UK Health and Security Agency (UKHSA) on Tuesday warning that even if the new Omicron variant leads to less serious disease than Delta, it risks overwhelming the NHS with 5,000 people admitted to hospital a day.

In an interview with the Guardian, the epidemiologist Prof Neil Ferguson said the total could be double that number.


No 10 insisted there were no imminent plans to bring in more measures after plan B measures were announced for England this week but cabinet minister Michael Gove, who chaired a Cobra meeting on Friday, said the government had been presented with some “very challenging information” about the speed of the spread.


The Guardian has seen leaked advice from UKHSA for Javid marked “official, sensitive” saying: “The key point is that under a range of plausible scenarios, stringent action is needed on or before 18 December 2021 if doubling times stay at 2.5 days. Even if doubling times rise to around 5 days, stringent action is likely still needed in December.”

It adds: “The rapid spread of Omicron means that action to limit pressures on the health system might have to come earlier than intuition suggests.” Its calculations suggest that even if Omicron causes a less severe hospitalisation rate of 1% or 0.5% compared with Delta’s 1.5%, then “stringent national measures’” would be needed by 18 December at the latest.

On the current trajectory of 2.5 days doubling time, and without any further restrictions, the document warns that Omicron cases could be at 248,000 cases a day by 19 December. It also stresses that the figures are not a projection but an estimate of Omicron prevalence and doubling times seen in the UK so far.

The document does not detail what the necessary curbs would be but defines “stringent national measures” as those that bring the R (reproduction) number below 1.

Boris Johnson triggered plan B this week including more wide-ranging mask mandates, asking people to work from home and Covid passports for big venues but a senior Whitehall source said few inside UKHSA believe this will have much effect on slowing the spread of the variant.

Further measures, now being referred to as plan C, could include stricter isolation requirements for contacts of Covid cases, masks in pubs, shutting hospitality entirely, more restrictions on visitors to care homes and hospitals or even the return of curbs on social contact.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...id-measures-needed-within-a-week-leak-reveals
 

Here we go again..let the panic commence....:mad:headlines in the Media today

Millions of Britons have effectively no protection against the Omicron Covid variant, health experts have warned as the public was urged to get their booster jabs - despite chaos on the NHS booking site meaning some can't get jabs until Christmas Eve.

The highly-transmissible mutant strain is likely to make up most cases of Covid in Britain over the next two weeks, the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said in a report yesterday, and could reach one million infections by the end of this month.

It comes as leaked advice from the body, sent to health secretary Sajid Javid, called for 'stringent national measures' to be brought in by December 18.

While the government said there were no imminent plans for more restrictions when Plan B was announced this week, Michael Gove warned on Friday that the government had been shown 'very challenging information' about the speed of Omicron's spread at a Cobra meeting.

And while Covid booster jabs have been shown to be effective against Omicron, there are concerns that the millions of people who are yet to get their third inoculation could be unprotected against the virus without it.

Government scientists compared 581 cases of Omicron in Britain with 56,000 of Delta to give preliminary estimates of how well vaccines protect against a variant with mutations that help it evade the body’s immune response.

They found that the mostly elderly people who had two doses of AstraZeneca several months ago had almost no protection against Omicron infection, and two Pfizer doses offered little more than 30 per cent.

But a third dose, if using Pfizer, can take protection levels back up to 71 per cent in those who had AstraZeneca the first time around and 76 per cent for those who had Pfizer.

This has led experts to urge people to get their third jabs, but many eligible over-40s have been unable to book appointments until Christmas Eve due to chaos on the booking site.

People in the age group who had their second dose at least three weeks ago were invited to book their top-up jabs yesterday as part of No10's drive to reach all adults by the end of January to fight off the Omicron variant.

But pictures shared with MailOnline show some have been left unable to secure a vital booster via the health service's website for at least another two weeks.

One man in his 40s, living in Hemel Hempstead, was unable to get his booster until December 24 — the earliest available appointment in his area. The booster programme has been fraught with difficulties throughout the rollout, with people under-40 getting boosters in defiance of NHS guidelines. And scores of over-40s have been turned away from appointments booked online, forcing health service officials to crack down and stop clinics rejecting anyone who is eligible.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ty-Britons-NO-PROTECTION-against-Omicron.html
 

Is It True That No One Has Died of Omicron Variant? - Snopes ...​

https://www.snopes.com › Fact Checks › Medical


Claim: As of early December 2021, no one worldwide who tested positive for the omicron variant of the coronavirus had died.
Fact check by Snopes.com: True


SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.529 (Omicron) Variant - CDC​

https://www.cdc.gov › mmwr › volumes


22 hours ago — Among 43 cases with initial follow-up, one hospitalization and no deaths were reported. This report summarizes U.S. surveillance for SARS-CoV-2 ...
 

Is It True That No One Has Died of Omicron Variant? - Snopes ...

https://www.snopes.com › Fact Checks › Medical

Claim: As of early December 2021, no one worldwide who tested positive for the omicron variant of the coronavirus had died.
Fact check by Snopes.com: True

SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.529 (Omicron) Variant - CDC

https://www.cdc.gov › mmwr › volumes

22 hours ago — Among 43 cases with initial follow-up, one hospitalization and no deaths were reported. This report summarizes U.S. surveillance for SARS-CoV-2 ...
I hadn't heard of anyone dying from this variant so all the precautions seem extreme at this point in time, like a government doing something just to be seen to be doing something. Is this scientific? :unsure:
 
Exactly what I was expecting...just beyond belief.... :oops::censored:

Omicron cases in Britain rose by 50 per cent today, data revealed as Government scientists warned the variant could cause nearly 2,500 daily hospitalisations this winter and tougher measures will be needed to deal with it.

Some 663 new cases of the strain were detected across the UK, the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said, up from the 448 recorded yesterday. It takes the country's total to 1,898, although experts suggest the true number is much higher.

Modelling by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) suggests the strain could cause anywhere from between 25,000 to 75,000 deaths in England over the next five months and more hospitalisations in January than were seen last year.

The researchers — who also sit on the Spi-M SAGE modelling subgroup that advises No10 — said restrictions similar to stage two of the roadmap out of lockdown, which include a ban on indoor socialising at pubs and restaurants, may be needed to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed.

They suggested the measures should be brought in as Boxing Day to stem the tide of admissions and deaths and added that upping the booster rollout to the Government's 500,000 per day target will do little to reduce the toll.

But the data was based on assuming Omicron causes as much severe illness as Delta in people who are unvaccinated and have not been previously infected, which has been called into question after preliminary data from South Africa suggested the strain could be resulting in less hospitalisation.

Scotland's Deputy First Minster John Swinney today confirmed the country is already considering bringing in new restrictions in the nation next week.

It comes after Professor Eleanor Riley, a professor of immunology and infectious disease at the University of Edinburgh, said the variant is spreading so quickly in Britain everyone will come into contact with it 'unless you're a hermit'.

Professor Riley warned 'a lot of people' could still end up in hospital even if the strain proves to cause milder symptoms than Delta.

Hospitals have already had to start shutting wards after detecting cases, with Raigmore Hospital in Inverness forced to close one of its units after a spike in infections.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Omicron-unless-youre-hermit-expert-warns.html

protestors today....


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People don't want vaccine passports which are a backdoor to a digital ID a person may have to show everywhere just to live as we used to do and could be used for nefarious purposes. The people have been making this position clear all across the E.U. Governments need to hear their constituents. It's their job to protect our civil liberties after all.
 
The devil in me is asking if we are just delaying the inevitable and eventually the virus will have its way with us, either in slow motion with mask mandates, social distancing, etc., or more quickly by living normally and getting it over with. The strong and cautious will survive and the weak and careless will be culled leading to a stronger and smarter society. It’s survival of the fittest to pass on those genes and it’s been going on for millions of years. (The devil made me write this.)
Chet, you got it right. We are like the rabbits and coyotes. They too have a cycle. The world is over populated and the sick and weak must go. The powers that be are just wasting time and resources trying to stop nature. I'm not saying this is a good thing but I'm saying this is the way with nature and we people too are living beings. I wish the BIG PHARMA and other vested interests wouldn't be dragging this on and on and on for years and years. We need our lives back!
 
Exactly what I was expecting...just beyond belief.... :oops::censored:

Omicron cases in Britain rose by 50 per cent today, data revealed as Government scientists warned the variant could cause nearly 2,500 daily hospitalisations this winter and tougher measures will be needed to deal with it.

Some 663 new cases of the strain were detected across the UK, the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said, up from the 448 recorded yesterday. It takes the country's total to 1,898, although experts suggest the true number is much higher.

Modelling by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) suggests the strain could cause anywhere from between 25,000 to 75,000 deaths in England over the next five months and more hospitalisations in January than were seen last year.

The researchers — who also sit on the Spi-M SAGE modelling subgroup that advises No10 — said restrictions similar to stage two of the roadmap out of lockdown, which include a ban on indoor socialising at pubs and restaurants, may be needed to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed.

They suggested the measures should be brought in as Boxing Day to stem the tide of admissions and deaths and added that upping the booster rollout to the Government's 500,000 per day target will do little to reduce the toll.

But the data was based on assuming Omicron causes as much severe illness as Delta in people who are unvaccinated and have not been previously infected, which has been called into question after preliminary data from South Africa suggested the strain could be resulting in less hospitalisation.

Scotland's Deputy First Minster John Swinney today confirmed the country is already considering bringing in new restrictions in the nation next week.

It comes after Professor Eleanor Riley, a professor of immunology and infectious disease at the University of Edinburgh, said the variant is spreading so quickly in Britain everyone will come into contact with it 'unless you're a hermit'.

Professor Riley warned 'a lot of people' could still end up in hospital even if the strain proves to cause milder symptoms than Delta.

Hospitals have already had to start shutting wards after detecting cases, with Raigmore Hospital in Inverness forced to close one of its units after a spike in infections.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Omicron-unless-youre-hermit-expert-warns.html

protestors today....


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We cannot be imprisoned again because the NHS allegedly cannot cope.
We have been double jabbed ,then triple jabbed.
If that was so we were to live in social isolation again then millions of pounds have been spent for nothing.
i do not like being lied to.
Vaccination must mean complete freedom.
No masks,no vaccine passports.No restrictions of any kind.
We have to live.
I have long thought governments around the world seized on Covid to conduct a mass social control experiment.
People in Europe have finally started to rebel.
We allowed this.We have to end it.
 
I have been an outspoken advocate for vaccines and masks, but I will say that if this is truly due to Omicron the restrictions are ridiculous. Although Omicron is extremely contagious, scientists and doctors have found the symptoms to be very mild.

I'm guessing this may be due to the continued Delta variant, which continues to spread and has killed over 5.3 million people worldwide. We have seen over 800k deaths in the US, which may seem like a small percentage of the overall population, but if you know one of the 800k people who passed away it is impactful.
 
We cannot be imprisoned again because the NHS allegedly cannot cope.
We have been double jabbed ,then triple jabbed.
If that was so we were to live in social isolation again then millions of pounds have been spent for nothing.
i do not like being lied to.
Vaccination must mean complete freedom.
No masks,no vaccine passports.No restrictions of any kind.
We have to live.
I have long thought governments around the world seized on Covid to conduct a mass social control experiment.
People in Europe have finally started to rebel.
We allowed this.We have to end it.
I believe you're right. We enabled it by complying. Now it's time to stop complying because it does appear to be more of a mass control experiment than a health issue, the goal being forcing everyone's identity into a national data base via the green pass while allowing them privileges if they continually comply but only if they do.
 
I have been an outspoken advocate for vaccines and masks, but I will say that if this is truly due to Omicron the restrictions are ridiculous. Although Omicron is extremely contagious, scientists and doctors have found the symptoms to be very mild.

I'm guessing this may be due to the continued Delta variant, which continues to spread and has killed over 5.3 million people worldwide. We have seen over 800k deaths in the US, which may seem like a small percentage of the overall population, but if you know one of the 800k people who passed away it is impactful.
you may be right but this govt is insisting it's to do with Omicron :cautious:
 
Boris Johnson will give a televised address to the nation tonight after the UK Covid alert level was raised following a rapid increase in Omicron cases.

The Prime Minister is expected to update the country on the highly-infectious Covid strain and speak about the booster vaccine rollout during his speech at 8pm.

It comes after the UK Covid alert level was raised from level 3 to level 4 after the UK reported another 1,239 confirmed cases of the Omicron variant - an increase of 65 per cent over the past 24 hours.


Always a concern because every time he does this it's usually to pull the rug out from under us... let's hope that its not the case this time... :(
 
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Boris Johnson will give a televised address to the nation tonight after the UK Covid alert level was raised following a rapid increase in Omicron cases.

The Prime Minister is expected to update the country on the highly-infectious Covid strain and speak about the booster vaccine rollout during his speech at 8pm.

It comes after the UK Covid alert level was raised from level 3 to level 4 after the UK reported another 1,239 confirmed cases of the Omicron variant - an increase of 65 per cent over the past 24 hours.

Always a concern because every time he does this it's usually to pull the rug out from under us... let's hope that its not the case this time... :(
I think he's going to cancel Christmas again for you folks. Hope not but it sounds that way.
 
Where I live we are having a bad Delta wave right now, I wish we'd go into lockdown until Omicron gets here, because it sounds like Omicron is going to be the best case scenario that the science people have been mentioning as a possibility from the beginning, that the virus will become like a cold. Apparently the Omicron actually has picked up some genes from a common cold variety. My understanding is that the government measures are because even if it has extremely low fatality, if it has any percent of hospitalizations at all, it is so contagious that everyone is going to catch it within the next month or two, and a tiny percent of the whole population can still be enough to give giant headaches to the hospitals. So the objective would be flattening the curve.
Unless it turns out to be worse in a winter season country than in a summertime country (South Africa I guess is opposite season), in 3 or 4 months the whole pandemic will be over. Yay! My cruise stock price will recover! We'll be able to travel again! Maybe we can start planning post covid parties. I wonder if I should make some reservations for next summer someplace fun?
 
I think he's going to cancel Christmas again for you folks. Hope not but it sounds that way.
That's my real concern. There was a leaked memo yesterday in one of the Broadsheets that hinted that everything would have to be closed down by the 18th... 6 days hence..I'm hoping and praying for once he's going to deny that...5 minutes until countdown now
 
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Well, the govt have gone into a Mad Panic. Every adult over 18 years old who qualify, MUST get the 3rd Vaccination ( the booster) before the end of December....!:oops::oops::eek:

This will mean that all Doctors and nurses, and NHS staff willl be working too give 1 million people per day ( 18 million people in 19 days) the booster Jab... and all other essential hospital appointments such as those for cancer ( and yes he said that).. must be put aside for the common good of the Booster jab... and as from Wednesday no-one will be permitted into events or entertainment venues without proof of being vaccinated

ETA forgot to mention , he wants everyone who can, to go back to WFH as from Tomorrow...
 
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Where I live we are having a bad Delta wave right now, I wish we'd go into lockdown until Omicron gets here, because it sounds like Omicron is going to be the best case scenario that the science people have been mentioning as a possibility from the beginning, that the virus will become like a cold. Apparently the Omicron actually has picked up some genes from a common cold variety. My understanding is that the government measures are because even if it has extremely low fatality, if it has any percent of hospitalizations at all, it is so contagious that everyone is going to catch it within the next month or two, and a tiny percent of the whole population can still be enough to give giant headaches to the hospitals. So the objective would be flattening the curve.
Unless it turns out to be worse in a winter season country than in a summertime country (South Africa I guess is opposite season), in 3 or 4 months the whole pandemic will be over. Yay! My cruise stock price will recover! We'll be able to travel again! Maybe we can start planning post covid parties. I wonder if I should make some reservations for next summer someplace

I think your right about Omicron leading to the end of the pandemic.

People becoming infected with Omicron might have the necessary immunity to fight off all previous variants of Covid and Covid would be nothing more then a flu type illness.
 
Where I live we are having a bad Delta wave right now, I wish we'd go into lockdown until Omicron gets here, because it sounds like Omicron is going to be the best case scenario that the science people have been mentioning as a possibility from the beginning, that the virus will become like a cold. Apparently the Omicron actually has picked up some genes from a common cold variety. My understanding is that the government measures are because even if it has extremely low fatality, if it has any percent of hospitalizations at all, it is so contagious that everyone is going to catch it within the next month or two, and a tiny percent of the whole population can still be enough to give giant headaches to the hospitals. So the objective would be flattening the curve.
Unless it turns out to be worse in a winter season country than in a summertime country (South Africa I guess is opposite season), in 3 or 4 months the whole pandemic will be over. Yay! My cruise stock price will recover! We'll be able to travel again! Maybe we can start planning post covid parties. I wonder if I should make some reservations for next summer someplace fun?

Delta is trending back up here as well with colder weather. I, too--given the increasing reports that the Omnicron variant is milder--hope it moves in and overtakes Delta.
 


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