Here's a young woman describing the experience of being taken to and held at one of Australia's Covid Internment Camps.

[Warrigal]

We have home quarantine too but in some households that is not practical. Home isolation is what is required if you are a close contact (until tests come back negative) but if someone is positive for Covid they may not be able to stay in one room away from the rest of the family. For them, hotel quarantine is necessary. Hotel quarantine is mandatory for unco-operative people who refuse to isolate at home.

 

[Murrmurr]

We have home quarantine too but in some households that is not practical. Home isolation is what is required if you are a close contact (until tests come back negative) but if someone is positive for Covid they may not be able to stay in one room away from the rest of the family. For them, hotel quarantine is necessary. Hotel quarantine is mandatory for unco-operative people who refuse to isolate at home.

My DIL had a bad case of covid last year and she lives with my son and 3 of their 6 children. She stayed in their bedroom most of the time. I stopped visiting and they stopped visiting me. No one else got sick.

While that might not be a typical scenario, I still have a huge problem with too much power and control in government. The danger in that has been proven time and again. Historically, it has led to far more deaths than this pandemic.

 

[Warrigal]

That's the difference between Americans and Australians.
While we bag our governments most of the time (probably all of the time) we do not fear them.

 

[Murrmurr]

That's the difference between Americans and Australians.
While we bag our governments most of the time (probably all of the time) we do not fear them.

I'm seeing a growing fear, though, and rightfully so.

Now maybe, in some of my posts, I've been talking from the perspective of my Jewish background, but I really don't think so.

 

[Warrigal]

From your Jewish background that is understandable.
Australians with indigenous background also have a well founded fear of governments.

 

[Irwin]

That's the difference between Americans and Australians.
While we bag our governments most of the time (probably all of the time) we do not fear them.

That's because you have a more stable democracy in Australia. Ours is on the brink of collapse.

 

[chic]

That's because you have a more stable democracy in Australia. Ours is on the brink of collapse.

We're not on the verge of collapse. Some are fighting for their constitutional rights, civilly or uncivilly, as necessity dictates. Want it to stop fast? Quit fear mongering and end the mandates, especially vaccine mandates and passports. Things would get back to normal pretty quick but we will be forever aware that our government is not always acting in our best interests. The handling of covid has taught us that much.

 

[Shero]

I disagree.

According to international law people seeking asylum can enter a country by any means they can. With or without papers. When they arrive, if their claim is invalid, they can be repatriated.

Just because one person arrives in a jet plane and another arrives on a fishing boat doesn't make one legal and the other illegal.

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I suggest you read the Parliamentary papers on this Warrigal, because you are naive about the intricacies of arriving refugee or asylum seekers whatever name you wish to use.
Those arriving by boat, destroy their papers before they arrive, thus causing a headache for your government. So they are put in a camp until their athenticity can be checked.

I am heartbroken that people have to flee from anywhere for their lives, but putting on rose tinted glasses is not going to help the problem.
I am not going to reply to you again on this matter because then it will become political and a no no at SF.


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[Murrmurr]

That's because you have a more stable democracy in Australia. Ours is on the brink of collapse.

I agree with @chic - our right to due process is still intact.

Although, when the blindfold comes off and justice leans politically, things get messy.

 

[Shero]

That's a good point. It would be a lot cheaper, too, than putting people up in a hotel. There must be a reason that's not what's happening. Maybe the interned people have tested positive. I don't know. Somebody chime in here if you know the answer or I may be forced to Google it.

Some were put up in five star hotels, but it was very expensive and the windows as you know in hotels cannot be opened and the occupants complained. They had to remain in their rooms and that is not nice for 2 weeks.

Much better to be in a facility where you can sit on a porch, go for a swim and talk to your neighbours from your porch.
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[Murrmurr]

From your Jewish background that is understandable.
Australians with indigenous background also have a well founded fear of governments.

Yes, Jews are only one example. Propaganda has always been a diverse and inclusive tool.

 

[Shero]

Mikael Dolsten, the Jewish Immigrant Leading Pfizer’s Vaccine Charge.

When Mikael Dolsten, the head scientist at Pfizer, heard the news last week that the COVID-19 vaccine that he has been helping to develop for the better part of a year was over 90% effective, he and his colleagues literally leapt with joy at a corporate office in Connecticut.

“This may turn out to be one of the biggest medical advances of the past 100 years,” Dolsten said by Zoom from his home office last week, the emotion clear in his voice and on his face.

He was pointing to not only the historic need to medically combat a virus that’s again ravaging the world — particularly the United States, which is setting case records by the week — but also the fact that the Pfizer product is part of a groundbreaking new type of vaccines made quickly from synthetic versions of the virus’ genetic material.

But when Dolsten took time to reflect on the development, he also saw it as a proud moment for Jewish immigrants like himself who have contributed to American scientific innovation.

“A lot of the great breakthroughs in America have come from people that immigrated,” he said, pointing out the example of Albert Einstein and others. “There has been a strong Jewish tradition around contributing to humanity and a strong tradition within medicine.”


https://www.weizmann-usa.org/news-m...cine-charge-hopes-the-us-stays-a-melting-pot/
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[Shero]

Tal Zaks is Moderna’s chief medical officer, a native Israeli whose career in medicine has been immersed in drug discovery and development.