I currently live in outside of Wayland, NY. Thank you for the welcome.HI Martha,welcome glad you found us
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Where in rural NYS are you?
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Sue born/raised/still living in hometown,Buffalo,NY
I am looking forward to getting to know the members here and hopefully have some great conversations.
I agree that we are being driven to be polarized. It was not my intent to stir up bickering. If the post had merely said "has everyone gone crazy?" without mentioning the womans response to seeing the flag flying then there would not have been any controversy but it was a post/comment about a comment about the flag and that set the stage. The flag has become politicised.The best way to have great conversations is to keep threads from getting closed by observing the no politics rules of the forum. When a forum has such a rule and you violate it, it's akin to farting during someone's formal dinner party. But the concern is deeper than stirring up forum bickering: we're being herded towards polarized divisiveness on nearly every front. The steering is deliberate and the more we question it, resist it and refrain from 'othering' people from either point of polarization, the better the forum and the world will work.
I agree that we are being driven to be polarized. It was not my intent to stir up bickering. If the post had merely said "has everyone gone crazy?" without mentioning the womans response to seeing the flag flying then there would not have been any controversy but it was a post/comment about a comment about the flag and that set the stage. The flag has become politicised.
My response to the post about the flag was about how I feel when I see it now and that maybe others feel the same way. Maybe the woman mentioned in the post does too. It was about reasons not about politics.
January 6th left an indelible impression on many of us and one that is linked to Americans claiming to be patriots assaulting Congress and our very democracy while carrying the American flag in an effort to stop the lawful verification of the electoral votes. A betrayal of everything the flag stands for. Unfortunately the flag has become politicized by actions such as these and when I see the flag flying especially by individuals in my community my mind goes back to that day and the horror that I felt and the fear that our Democracy was falling. Images become linked to strong emotional reactions. The flag, the flag of all Americans, has become stained.
Liberal and conservative are not political per say but the way the brain is constructed. See my reference to support this claim.
When someone thinks that having a view point that you don't understand is crazy without even finding out why that perspective exists is disappointing at the very least. Shall I just accept everything that someone says without question or dissent? Silence implies agreement. Shall I have only superfical conversations with others? Are only certain viewpoints allowed on this site? As I said in my replies there are reasons for everything we do and say thus my response to the initial post. Is it wrong to consider why what was said, that was thought to be crazy, was said. Is it wrong to try to understand the thinking of others? Only by interacting with each other and sharing different perspectives and respectfully considering those perspectives can we hope to find a middle ground of understanding.
When people can't even agree on what constitutes objective reality, there is no chance for a civil discussion, but that's where our country is right now and why political discussions should not be allowed in this forum. There are plenty of other forums for that kind of thing.When someone thinks that having a view point that you don't understand is crazy without even finding out why that perspective exists is disappointing at the very least.
I did provide the link in my responses in the original post but here it is again: Conservative and Liberal Brains Might Have Some Real Differences - Scientific American I find it interesting that without even reading the article you have formulated an opinion about it.The point I was trying to make is that this is a no politics board. If you felt the American flag thread offensive, reporting rather than responding in violation of the rules would've better fit the host's wishes. Regardless of how you feel and why, this board paid for and hosted by an individual who set a no politics rule. By explaining yourself, you continue to violate that.
As for a stained flag ...it always has been. It stands for a nation made up of fallible people who've made horrific choices throughout its history and will most certainly continue to do so. But it also stands for a structure in which positive changes have and still are being made.
I don't see your reference but superficially that sounds intellectually lazy. Sounds as though it doesn't acknowledge real life patterns of people who have made pendulum swing changes from one ideology to another. It also marginalizes those of us who try to fight polarization within ourselves and in our interactions with others. I'll gladly read your link if you care to provide it, but I will read with the mindset that the sociobehavioral fields are very fluid and it's therefore easy to manipulate social research in order to show a preconceived result. It's also easy for subconscious bias to impact research.
Again. Report it if tempts you to cross the line as you did in that thread and in your defense of your behavior in this one. To do otherwise in a forum with a no politics rule is as self-indulgent as a person who lights up in the home of people who maintain a smoke free home environment.
I did provide the link in my responses in the original post but here it is again: Conservative and Liberal Brains Might Have Some Real Differences - Scientific American I find it interesting that without even reading the article you have formulated an opinion about it.
I have considered your statements and reviewed my actions. I have thought about how I could have responded differently or if I needed to respond at all to the original post. I am not making excuses for my comments, but again, was explaining why in all fo them. You seemed to have missed that intent.
I don't know how to explain my position any better than I have. Perhaps I should have approached the comment in a different way. Perhaps I should not expect people to consider why they said what they said or feel what they feel. "Why" is often too deep a question to pose.
What confuses me is that what happened on January 6 was a fact. It is not an opinion. It's like saying it rained here today. Fact. Yes, Jan. 6th involved politics but it is also now a part of our American history and experience. The impact it had on me is a fact. There are no right or wrong feelings. They just are. Not recognizing that people have feelings about incidents in their lives is disrepsectful and invalidates the individual. It minimalizes them and their lives. Devisiveness.
Perhaps I should have asked the person who posted why he thought that what he was commenting on was objectionable instead. Hmmm. I wonder if the original comment has had negative repercussions from you.
This has been a learning experience for me. Rather than self indulgent as you seem to imply I am analytical but most people I have encountered are not. They just want what is on the surface and are not interested in delving deeper. Not much chance of conversations there. Yet another reason for our divisiveness.
I prefer to have discussions rather than reporting people. As I said conversations can lead to the understanding of different perspectives but that takes openmindedness, a willingness to see anothers point of view, by the parties involved. A willingness not to make assumptions. A willingness to listen to ALL that is being said.
I don't expect you to agree with my position but to give it thoughtful consideration. You seem to read to respond not to consider what has been said as your responses to my posts, this and others, indicate. This is a common with people and listening which adds to the problem of the devisiveness in our society as well.
I will be leaving this forum. Best wishes to all.
I am trying to expand my social connections. Soon to be 65. Backgound is in health care which abruptly ended seven years ago. I am a human, animal and environmental rights activist. I have a one acre piece of land that I have developed into a certified wildlife habitat. I have four special needs rescue animals that I care for as well as keeping 2 miles of highway around my home clear of trash. I have spent my life trying to make a difference.