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[Shalimar]

I cannot understand any leader countenancing sending helpless, innocent children into situations of squalor/violence/abuse/death. No Christian or compassionate person could accept the callous amorality of such a thing.

 

[QuickSilver]

I cannot understand any leader countenancing sending helpless, innocent children into situations of squalor/violence/abuse/death. No Christian or compassionate person could accept the callous amorality of such a thing.

Reminds me of the Stephen Colbert quote

“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.”
― Stephen Colbert

 

[BobF]

Some of those comments made above are just exaggeration of comments made.

To build a wall. Maybe those were the words used. I think that would be a wall of something like wire fence, which we have in locations but many hundreds of miles are not protected by fence or electronics and those place are where many folks do get across. We have to locate and destroy tunnels, intercept vehicles carrying hidden people through on our highways. We need better ways of finding and stopping what is currently going on. What we have on our southern border is a passage from Central and South America's through Mexico and into the US. If those folks really want or need to get into the US there are proper ways to do so and most folks follow those paths.

Getting rid of all immigrants is just another exaggeration. It is not just finding all that don't belong here and busing them out. That could be most of us depending on who is making that decision. What we do want to get rid of are the criminal ones that are protected in some of our sanctuary cities. Places where the federal folks are not allowed to come into and pick up illegal and criminal types of immigrants. Those cities are against the existing laws and need to be challenged by the US in our courts. Criminals are criminals and being a illegal or legal immigrant or person of the US should not block the capture and removal or jail of those types of people.

Most of these folks here would be welcomed if they announce themselves to authorities. We need folks to be honest with our ways and systems. They live here and do low level work, pay only parts of their income taxes, if any. They do take advantage of our school systems, health systems, charity groups, anything that makes it possible to live here.

Far too much is an exaggeration of what is going on. Especially in these early political discussions. By spring much of this will be made much more clearly and a whole lot fewer candidates will be still in the picture.

As for last night episode, it surely was planned to be a noticeable distraction and the outcome was proper for sure. He was taken from the room and quieted down. Now for sure he has a position to use to make some voters not like Trump. Spring is a 6 month trip away and by they maybe Trump won't be around, or maybe stronger. These planned political efforts should be considered as such an just go on as before. Those typed of actions are surely not proper for the interrupter or the speaker.

 

[Lara]

Reminds me of the Stephen Colbert quote, “If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.”

I believe we should keep all US born citizens, who were already born under the 14th amendment, here with us, BUT you're quoting Colbert to prove your point that says America doesn't help the poor??? You can't be serious. We do more to help the poor worldwide than any other nation. Are you saying we're suppose to gather them all up from around the world and bring them to our country to do it? That's not possible. No, we come to them. And many ask us to help and we go first before anyone else. Depite our generosity, American haters are ungrateful.

Bob, I never thought about the fact that it could have been planned to make Trump look bad or to distract from the Press Conference. Good point. That guy was crazy just asking non-stop when it was someone else's turn…he's a nut case or following orders from a planned attack on Trump…or both.

 

[QuickSilver]

Unfortunately... there is a very large segment that begrudges any help the poor get in the form of food stamps or any other assistance. However the Colbert quote in reference to immigrants still applies. We want to round up people.... pull them out of their homes and send them to a country where many or most would have no home or place to go.. THAT to me is not behaving as instructed by Scripture.

 

[Shalimar]

As a member of the world outside America, but in no way an enemy of my southern neighbour, I believe that what motivates many "American haters" has far more to do with various foreign policy decisions than a lack of appreciation for the many humanitarian acts carried out overseas by the American gov't.

 

[Shalimar]

As you know QS, blaming the victim is a classic move people use in order to avoid feelings of guilt or responsibility. Sad.

 

[Lara]

…We want to round up people.... pull them out of their homes and send them to a country where many or most would have no home or place to go.. THAT to me is not behaving as instructed by Scripture.

Who says we're going to dump them "somewhere with no home or place to go"? Please post your link to that. America wouldn't do that. America and American charitable organizations build shelters worldwide or find adequate living arrangements. And most immigrants have families in their own country that will take them back.

 

[QuickSilver]

The guy spoke out of turn and wouldn't shut up. I am no Trump fan but he was right in this instance...

You may be right... However, it doesn't matter. Ramos is an extremely powerful voice of the Hispanic community. This will not bode well for Trump as far as votes go.. That incident will be broadcast over and over on Hispanic media.

 

[QuickSilver]

Who says we're going to dump them "somewhere with no home or place to go"? Please post your link to that. America wouldn't do that. America and American charitable organizations build shelters worldwide or find adequate living arrangements. And most immigrants have families in their own country that will take them back.

wonder how much more that will add to the estimated cost of $12,000 per deportee..?? You cannot force people to take others into their homes.. WE cannot force people in other countries to take in virtual strangers. Many immigrants have been here 20 years and really have no connections to people in their home countries. That would be like someone telling me I have to take in a German that I don't even know, or telling a German citizen he has to take me into his home.. simply because we have genetic ties..

 

[Lara]

Huh? Who said anything about "forcing people to take others into their homes...to take in virtual strangers."??? Most Mexicans have large families that all support one another. I know that for a fact because I hired some in Southern California. And if they don't have any family, America will help them to find what they need there. Have faith in America. Please find the link where you're getting these "facts".

 

[QuickSilver]

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/09/...ed-immigrant-population-becomes-more-settled/

There is renewed interest in unauthorized immigrants who are long-time residents of the United States and have U.S.-born children because they are among those to whom President Obama reportedly is considering offering a temporary reprieve from deportation (Los Angeles Times, 2014). Obama reiterated in late August that he would prefer that Congress pass major legislation to overhaul the immigration system, but because Congress has not done so, he may take executive action on his own (White House, 2014).

Among the nation’s 10.4 million unauthorized adults, a shrinking share have been in the country for less than five years—15% in 2012, compared with 38% in 2000. A rising share have lived in the U.S. for a decade or more—62% in 2012, compared with 35% in 2000. About a fifth (21%) had been in the U.S. for two decades or more as of 2012.

As of 2012, all unauthorized immigrant parents of U.S.-born children had lived in the U.S. for a median 15 years, longer than the median 12 years for the entire unauthorized population. In 2000, the median was 11 years for these parents.

It's clear to ME at least that the longer people have been assimilated into our country the less tie they have with their native country. The less chance they have relatives willing to take them in... or even know their relatives. You cannot make people take in these deportees..

 

[QuickSilver]

Can we also discuss HOW all these people will be rounded up... how they will be transported and how it will NOT become a blood bath and violent as people are taken from their homes of 20+ years?

 

[BobF]

I still think there are some left thinkers that are just taking simple statements from speeches and then saying they are threats of US actions in the future. Say all immigrants are to be sent back is not a fact. They are here and we are trying to get them to come out into our system and be taken care of properly.

Now those that have become criminals, been charged, we would like to get rid of them for sure.

Stopping more entries of illegal immigrants is a big priority and worth the efforts. It is an international effort for getting all they can through our borders without being noticed. Needs to stop. By our laws and desires to help others we can not make our welfare system to off limits except to US recognized folks. Thousands would then be without doctors, schools, jobs, etc. No more illegal entries, or at least a great reduction, if we did that. But they really should come forward and be recognized officially as living in the US.

That person Trump interrupted and had taken from the hall was actually continuing to talk while Trump was already listening to a different reporter already. He deserved to no interrupt others conversations. Later he was brought back and allowed to ask questions of Trump. The other reporters should make an issue of this action by the rogue reporter.

 

[Shalimar]

America is going to find homes outside it's borders for up to ten million, (or a large percentage of) unauthorised adults? How is
that feasible? Faith is lovely, but it is not a plan. Canada can't accomadate them, we don't have the structures in place to cope with up to a 30% increase in population. Who else does? Are these poor individuals going to be permanently processed into unwanted refugee status in camps reminiscent of third world countries?

 

[BobF]

Where are all these strange facts coming from. I have not seen any comments from the candidates of either party saying such to be the rules or their ideas of the rules.

This question has been asked above and still no real answers, just more foolish comments with no supports.

 

[Shalimar]

Disagreeing with each other is a healthy part of robust debate, but calling people's comments foolish is personal and rude.

 

[QuickSilver]

America is going to find homes outside it's borders for up to ten million, (or a large percentage of) unauthorised adults? How is
that feasible? Faith is lovely, but it is not a plan. Canada can't accomadate them, we don't have the structures in place to cope with up to a 30% increase in population. Who else does? Are these poor individuals going to be permanently processed into unwanted refugee status in camps reminiscent of third world countries?

It's very clear the only realistic plan is Immigration reform.. securing the border (sans 20 foot 2000 mile fence) and a pathway to citizenship for those already here and have a clean record. . As far as deportation, I have no problem with the violent criminals going.. I don't think anyone does.

 

[Lara]

Where are all these strange facts coming from. I have not seen any comments from the candidates of either party saying such to be the rules or their ideas of the rules.

This question has been asked above and still no real answers, just more foolish comments with no supports.

Isn't that the truth. No details have been given. We're not even into our 2nd debate yet…there will be 6. Naysayers need to be patient and stop making up the details themselves. It's not going to happen tomorrow, if at all.

QuickSilver…why do you keep insisting that we are going to force immigrant's families to take them in ??? That's preposterous…certainly not the American way. Have a little faith in your country.

 

[Shalimar]

Blind faith doesn't move mountains, engineering does.

 

[QuickSilver]

Isn't that the truth. No details have been given. We're not even into our 2nd debate yet…there will be 6. Naysayers need to be patient and stop making up the details themselves. It's not going to happen tomorrow, if at all.

QuickSilver…why do you keep insisting that we are going to force immigrant's families to take them in ??? That's preposterous…certainly not the American way. Have a little faith in your country.

From your own words... indicating the most undocumented workers have large families in their native countries. What is one to deduce from that comment? That these families should take them in. If that is not what you meant then please explain the relevance of that comment.

 

[Lara]

I was correct, "most have large families that all support one another". That means a willingness, not force. That doesn't say anywhere that America will force those families to take them in as you suggest. Only sensationalism could heighten that comment to forcefulness.

 

[QuickSilver]

I was correct, "most have large families that all support one another". That means a willingness, not force. That doesn't say anywhere that America will force those families to take them in as you suggest. Only sensationalism could heighten that comment to forcefulness.

Fair enough.... So please answer my other question... What would the logistics of rounding up 11+ million people and transporting them to their native countries look like? Do you believe it could be done without it becoming violent and people getting hurt?

Should people be shot if they do not go willingly? How about the old and feeble.. Shoot them too? What would the "deportation" police look like? Would they wear brown shirts?

 

[Shalimar]

First foolishness, now sensationalism? My this thread is certainly going down hill. Can we stick to the debate please, and leave out any extraneous personal remarks. It is not appropriate behaviour in a courteous adult discussion, and only serves to distract from the content.

 

[Shalimar]

I certainly hope that no one here is advocating the threat of wholesale slaughter of innocent people as a deterrent for refusing to be deported. Why, that would be genocide! However, in the interest of cost effectiveness and patriotism, perhaps both the brown/black shirts and jackboots could be American made?