House votes to defund Planned Parenthood 241-187

BobF said:
Thanks folks. I am not against birth control methods at all. Happy the wife decided after our second child, a girl to keep her brother company, to let that be the end of our children. I just have a problem with some thinking all should go this more expensive way. There are other options available as those were what the wife chose to use for her possible years. And those would be the lower cost options available for the low income folks too.
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Condoms break and are the least reliable form of BC except for the Rhythm method.
 

Pro-Life focuses on the life of the unborn child and services needed relating to that. They also offer referrals for FREE birth control information and FREE services (free IUDs) but it's customized to your local area. You have to call your local "Birthright for ________". Put your city in the blank. Or just go straight to Medicaid.

Medicaid also covers FREE BIRTH CONTROL In NC the link is: http://www2.ncdhhs.gov/dma/medicaid/familyplanning.htm

Pro-life offers free education, free counseling for both the pregnant mother and post abortion, support for the mother and baby after birth (milk, diapers, clothing, etc), and offer referrals for FREE services within a network of supportive organizations which is more extensive than we have space for here…here is a start: http://studentsforlife.org/prolifefacts/prolife-movement/
network referrals http://www.secularprolife.org/#!links/c19od
 
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So no birth control and no medical care. And WHY are we wanting to shut down PP when it's obvious that pro-life groups are geared to the fetus and the woman only as she relates to the fetus. Women want and need the services PP provides. Particularly poor women who cannot afford to go elsewhere. It would seem to me that BOTH could exist simultaneously so women could decide which services they wanted and needed. Why is it necessary to defund a vital service that women want and need. Let the individual woman decide where she will go and for what.
 

Reread post #52 again….Yes, Pro-life refers people to wherever they need FREE birth control and FREE pregnancy tests. Medicare offers this to the poor for FREE. The answer to your other question is all over the news. They are under investigation.
 
Lara said:
Reread post #52 again….Yes, Pro-life refers people to wherever they need free birth control and free pregnancy tests.
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As well as Pap smears... and Mammograms... and STD diagnosis and treatment? So the only beef with Planned Parenthood that you have is that 3% of their activity is abortion.. But are fine with everything else they provide. So I must ask.. Why defund them? Because no Federal money goes to fund abortion after all.. Read about the Hyde Amendment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment
 
QuickSilver said:
Condoms break and are the least reliable form of BC except for the Rhythm method.
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And I described what my wife chose as a creme item you could buy in the drug store. No major expensive federal government run operation was required. Still don't think needed now. Other solutions could be used like state or county geared to that areas needs. Big federal things are often wasteful of money and not very effective. Just like what the VA is busy working on to get fixed and more helpful for local folks. Some were apparently good and others were big ripoffs and little help.
 
QuickSilver said:
So the only beef with Planned Parenthood that you have is that 3% of their activity is abortion.. But are fine with everything else they provide.
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Reread post #52 and #54 again (repeating this over and over)….Planned Parenthood is unnecessary since we have all their services covered between the Pro-Life organization's referral system and Medicaid's FREE medical services (that includes mammograms and pap smears) and FREE birth control. And you are totally ignoring that Planned Parenthood is under investigation for selling LIVE Baby Parts….which is illegal…not to mention that they say the baby is not a life and then sell it as live. Makes no sense.
 
Lara said:
Reread post #52 again (repeating this over and over)….Planned Parenthood is unnecessary since we have all their services covered between the Pro-Life organization's referral system and Medicaid's FREE medical services and FREE birth control. And you are totally ignoring that they are under investigation for selling LIVE Baby Parts….which is illegal…not to mention that they say the baby is not a life and then sell it as live. Makes no sense.
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Lara... It has been debunked OVER AND OVER... Planned parenthood does NOT sell live baby parts... that's silly. Those videos were edited and phony.. The live kicking baby Fiorina described did NOT appear in a PP video.. That was proven... Once more... and I'm tired of repeating it over and over. NO live baby parts for sale a PP..

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...hind-that-shady-planned-parenthood-video.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...-is-Not-Selling-Baby-Parts-You-F-cking-Idiots

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/14/attack-on-planned-parenthood-3-deceptive-edits/204419
 
Omg….it's under federal investigation. There's a reason for that despite so-called "debunkers". Do you really think there would be an active Federal Investigation for no reason??? Plus, that's not the only important issue here even…reread posts #52 and #54 AGAIN to see why Planned Parenthood is NOT even necessary.

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Lara said:
OMG….it's under federal investigation. There's a reason for that despite so-called "debunkers". Do you really think there would be an active Federal Investigation for no reason???
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Oh Puleeze... Federal investigation... just like Benghazi, and the IRS, the Clinton Emails.. None of the trumped up scandals the Republicans have tried to use for political gain have turned up anything... and this one won't either.. It's an election year con... to get folks like you to vote GOP..

So in answer to your question... YES... without a doubt.
 
QuickSilver, you seriously are saying that the liberal groups, The Daily Beast, Daily Kos (who has foul language in their link that Admin doesn't allow here), and MediaMatters are reliable sources?? You just want to narrow-mindedly believe anything that is an online extremely liberals site and ignore the Fed Govt investigation?? Okay. I've said all I can say then.

And reread #54 and #52 for the truth of things that matter.

I've said all I can say to you because you only follow your liberal leaders.

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In 2012, President Obama stated that Planned Parenthood provides mammograms. Both Snopes and FactCheck.org both say that is not true, that Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms.

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Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/mammograms.asp#XMMwbhofmAWdIoXS.99

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"At the second presidential debate, President Barack Obama said that women “rely on” Planned Parenthood for mammograms. Actually, mammograms are not performed at the clinics; Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses conduct breast exams and refer patients to other facilities for mammograms."

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/planned-parenthood-and-mammograms/
 
Misty said:
In 2012, President Obama stated that Planned Parenthood provides mammograms. Both Snopes and FactCheck.org both say that is not true, that Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms.

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At the second presidential debate, President Barack Obama said that women “rely on” Planned Parenthood for mammograms. Actually, mammograms are not performed at the clinics; Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses conduct breast exams and refer patients to other facilities for mammograms.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/planned-parenthood-and-mammograms/
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No Misty... we all know that... but they send women for them and pay for it. Do they do mammograms in YOUR doctor's office? They don't in mine... I have to go to the local hospital..
 
QuickSilver said:
No Misty... we all know that... but they send women for them and pay for it. Do they do mammograms in YOUR doctor's office? They don't in mine... I have to go to the local hospital..
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They do mammograms in my Dr's clinic, Quicksilver. From what I've read, Planned Parenthood does not use their money to pay for women's mammograms, it's clinics provide referrals and direct low-income women toward resources to help pay for the procedure.
 
You may be right... but I don't know what that has to do with defunding PP.. They refer women and follow up to ensure they get the care they need.... because PP doesn't to mastectomies... in case you want to state the obvious about that.
 
Misty said:
In 2012, President Obama stated that Planned Parenthood provides mammograms. Both Snopes and FactCheck.org both say that is not true, that Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms.
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Good job for clearing that up, Misty. So, the combination of Pro-Life and Medicaid do so much more for women medically, counseling-wise, and follow-up assistance-wise for post-natal needs than Planned Parenthood….and without all the drama and fees/costs.

Planned Parenthood is not only unneeded but women go there without realizing they can get free healthcare (and free mammograms that PP does not do as Misty pointed out) and free counseling and referrals from Medicaid. It's interesting that Planned Parenthood pays for nothing for these women. No wonder they need to be defunded. Really, what does PP do that Medicaid doesn't do? And Medicaid does more. Much more.
 
Guess what I just read…not only is Planned Parenthood NOT free but they charge for their services and if you can't pay then they send you to Medicaid or use a gov't Title X for a discount IF you are poor enough! Defund them. What a waste.

Planned Parenthood - About Our Fees:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/p...ources/paying-your-health-care/about-our-fees

So, that 3% of what Planned Parenthood does, abortions, is the ONLY thing they do beyond Medicaid..and they charge for that too.
 
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SeaBreeze said:
I've never used Planned Parenthood or have been on Medicaid, but it seems that their services are needed by some, along with their health insurance coverage. Here's some facts and myths about Planned Parenthood, for anyone interested. http://obamacarefacts.com/2015/07/23/do-we-still-need-planned-parenthood/
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Thanks for posting the facts SB.... PP plays a vital role in the reproductive healthcare of low income women AND men. It is either free or based on a sliding scale on ability to pay. It is definitely needed.
 
QuickSilver said:
Thanks for posting the facts SB.... PP plays a vital role in the reproductive healthcare of low income women AND men. It is either free or based on a sliding scale on ability to pay. It is definitely needed.
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Interesting that at one time the poor would be taken care of in doctors offices and hospitals and then they would be asked to pay. If unable the charges could be reduced or forgiven and the patients were cleared of debt. I know this worked right up to the beginning of the Obama care, but don't know if those days and forgiveness still operate. Anywhere or anytime. It did happen and low income folks were often found in the hospital emergency rooms where these meetings took place.
 
QuickSilver said:
PP plays a vital role in the reproductive healthcare of low income women AND men. It is either free or based on a sliding scale on ability to pay.
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That's not true. What exactly is free from Planned Parenthood? The sliding scale discount is offered from the government, a program called Title X. If the Dr.'s visit costs $50 and the government says you qualify for a 20% discount then the balance is $40. The woman is responsible for $40. If she can't pay it then ask Medicaid to pay it. The woman could have just gone to Medicaid in the first place.

Planned Parenthood - About Our Fees:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/pl...about-our-fees

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I think one of the important things about Planned Parenthood is providing contraception and safe sex info for low income women and teens. Many teens don't have the wherewithall to go get a referral from a doctor. Especially if it's something their parent find out about. No one has to get preachy about it. It's just a fact of life. If you were ever a sexually active teen girl then you understand. Planned Parenthood has offices throughout our neighboring urban areas. I'm sure for women who fall between the cracks of Medicaid it might be the only regular medical care they can get.
 
[h=1]Planned Parenthood Set To Sue The Criminals Behind Edited Video Smears[/h]Planned Parenthood is planning swift retribution against the perpetrators of the deplorable and illegal smear campaign that has been leveled against the vital women’s health non-profit by far-right wing anti-abortion extremists. The Center for Medical Progress, which does not employ any medical professionals, arranged a vast fraud by creating a fake biomedical company in order to attempt to “purchase” fetal tissues, secretly recording interviews with Planned Parenthood officials and then editing the footage to mislead and misrepresent the discussion that actually took place.

Planned Parenthood Executive Vice President Dawn Laguens told The Hill that her organization is set to take action against the CMP: “I absolutely do believe that they have violated laws in terms of how they secured these videos… But the fraud is also in how they have presented them and in the editing.”Several of the videos were recorded in California, where it is illegal to record a conversation without the consent of both parties.

Thirteen states have squandered countless tax dollars on “investigating” Planned Parenthood. Not a single one has uncovered any sort of questionable conduct or misuse of materials. The fetal tissue extracted from aborted fetuses is used in critical medical research, attempting to cure deadly diseases like HIV/AIDS.

The right-wing’s vicious smear campaign against women’s rights and healthcare will ultimately amount to naught. President Obama has already threatened to take action against states that cut Medicaid funds to Planned Parenthood, which are not used for abortions in anyway. Senate Democrats have already stymied one attempt to cut the group’s federal funding entirely. The polls show that Planned Parenthood is more popular among Americans than every single Republican candidate for president. The American people recognize the incredible work that Planned Parenthood does across the world. The non-profit deserves much better than to be besmirched by religious zealots.


http://linkis.com/occupydemocrats.com/wJzKi
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...reatens-legal-action-against-makers-of-videos
 
And how long now till the Senate debates and votes. Only then will anything start to happen or it all ends.

Even if the Senate says yes, do any of you think Obama will allow it to pass? I sure don't so many are wasting their time and efforts making judgements.
 
BobF said:
. Much is gained for us older folks when younger folks pass away before they have spent their savings. Early deaths of workers help pay our way as we get older and pass our expected pay back dates.
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I'm curious as to just how exactly this works, it seems to me that we(as prospective SS recipients) would want more young contributors to the SS system so as to keep the fund solvent.
I don't understand how young folks dying prematurely can possibly help SS. Plus, any savings that young people might possess is their own assets, and would simply belong to their designated heirs.
 

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