House votes to defund Planned Parenthood 241-187

I would love to see the day when this guy could make his observations without suggesting anyone else's ideas are in his over worked word, "TWISTED". Go back through his post and count the number of times he has used that word. It's freakin' amazing.
 

And rightfully so. You, I, she, are all entitled to post what we see and believe. I do as I am speaking from experience about my medical trials. And also from reading about other experiences. So far that is fine. But when someone else jumps in and says I am wrong and should not be posting that thought, then I feel I am entitled to defend myself Jim. So I do. I have not told her to stop posting what ever she thinks is more important than what others post. Putting others down is not what I am doing but certainly this other person is when she says anyone disagreeing with her are 'whatever'. That is not for her, me, or anyone else to do on this or any forum.

Never heard of some of the things being talked about by this other person. ER's are there for everyone. Not just the ambulance situations only. My hospital here takes on all. By the looks of many of them sitting in the waiting room for their turn, men and women with children. They don't look to be doing well by the clothing they are wearing. In time they do get taken care of as those ER's are supposed to be doing. Where we came from, a small town of 8,000 there was an ER that would take anyone that asked to be seen. We went in, was examined by some ER folks and soon they called a doctor who put me in a room for closer examination. Then after they had a determination they did ask for my ID, insurance or other means to pay. Yep, this is all my experience in how they work and why. Nothing in the current hospital rules that say they first need to ascertain payment before they do anything.

Now this is all my experience and not some nasty lie I have made up. So someone does have some thinking to do. Post her experiences and no more calling names or told about lies. She can believe what she wants to believe and leave it at that. Same with me or you or anyone else. And yes there are some that have told me they won't be posting anymore because of a certain few that think only their thoughts have any merit and the rest should just stop post if they disagree with others posts.

Have a good day Jim.
 
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AZ Jim said:
I would love to see the day when this guy could make his observations without suggesting anyone else's ideas are in his over worked word, "TWISTED". Go back through his post and count the number of times he has used that word. It's freakin' amazing.
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Guess spending 35 years working in various hospitals... big and small.... with 15 of those years directly involved in Case Management and billing ONLY counts as my opinion... not fact... Well... whatever.. I KNOW the facts and his posts on this topic are pretty much devoid of them..

Anyway... here's a cute hospital Smiley... :kissmy:
 

There you go again. Claiming that your experience means you know more than how things are really going in this medical world. I speak from street level, not some high level interior job. Where many of the hospital facts likely do not reach. I speak from experiences in Ohio, Colorado, Arizona, California, Florida, and Mississippi. Mostly California, Colorado, and Arizona. If you don't believe what I have posted, fine. But that is no reason to say I am telling lies. It is just somethings that for some reason you have not had experience with.

You called me a nasty Republican in one of your hate episodes. Well, I agree, we should get rid of the Republicans. And we should also get rid of those evil Democrats too. We should put this country back into it's constitutional structure and have no political parties to try to destroy our US ways and turn it into something else. We should just have the Representatives and Senators elected from their districts, go to Washington and decide what is best for their electing districts and work it out with the rest of the elected folks. No more of all this outside political pressures that only work for their own very selfish wants and needs.

Both political parties are no longer thinking of the needs of the people but the wants of the political parties. Pretty small minded folks on both sides. That is not the way our constitution was designed as it was first, for the people and second for the towns and territories (states) involved. This federal government was intended to be second to the people, not some demanding self centered power house.
 
It's clear Bob doesn't understand the importance of your vast experience of 35 years and it's effect on your comments. It's like a layman going into a operating theater and telling the surgeon how to perform the operation. He is in his own world on this issue.
 
Bob... I'm IN the medical world.. I WORK in the medical world.. I am involved in documentation and BILLING... It's NOT just my opinions... it's what is actually going on in the medical world.. It's not your fault that you don't understand what happens. You don't have inside knowledge of it.. Just don't negate the facts coming from someone who does... I don't feel bad about saying this, but seriously.. I happen to know more about it than you do..
 
AZ Jim said:
It's clear Bob doesn't understand the importance of your vast experience of 35 years and it's effect on your comments. It's like a layman going into a operating theater and telling the surgeon how to perform the operation. He is in his own world on this issue.
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Yes.. and as silly as if a doctor joined our group and posted in the "Health" section..about how to perform a procedure. I certainly wouldn't argue with him and tell him.. WELL... "that's just your opinion" It really is sad though... Sometimes Bob could really learn something if he would just realize he doesn't know everything.

Everyone, of course, is entitled to their opinions, Just not their own facts.
 
AZ Jim said:
It's clear Bob doesn't understand the importance of your vast experience of 35 years and it's effect on your comments. It's like a layman going into a operating theater and telling the surgeon how to perform the operation. He is in his own world on this issue.
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Jim, now your are talking just as biased as she is. I did not say her years were lies or nonsense. I believe I was saying that my experience is what I went through and have spoken of. Her experiences are hers and mine are mine. If she can not accept that to be the way it is, too bad. Both of us are telling what we have seen and known. Now I wonder just what I have spoken of is so nasty and bad that my words can not be accepted by some. I know that some hospitals have open ER's, is that wrong? I know that some folks with no money have no insurance and no money. Is that wrong?

Sometimes charges are set quite high so negotiations can take place depending on the situation. Far too much is kept secret and we only get to see our personal charges and insurance coverage of that amount. Most prices would scare me pretty badly. We never see a list of charges in any medical place I have gone to. Only when we get to the low lever tests do we see any fixed prices. Such and such for this, do you want to pay up front or by insurance etc.

One charge I never saw and it was in two hospitals, one in New Mexico and one in Arizona. My brain tumor, suspected in Colorado, sent to New Mexico for the brain tumor operation, then on to Arizona for the radiation follow up. Then back to New Mexico for the follow up meetings and tests. Never heard of the charges asked, nor the amounts paid by the insurance. But did get final notice payments of some amount.
 
QuickSilver said:
Bob... I'm IN the medical world.. I WORK in the medical world.. I am involved in documentation and BILLING... It's NOT just my opinions... it's what is actually going on in the medical world.. It's not your fault that you don't understand what happens. You don't have inside knowledge of it.. Just don't negate the facts coming from someone who does... I don't feel bad about saying this, but seriously.. I happen to know more about it than you do..
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So you are in the medical world. Does that make you a know it all genius of some sort? You can claim all you want but don't say what my experiences are are wrong. You are not in my shoes and have no idea what experiences I have had. We do have ER's that accept sick folks on weekends and they also help these folks to get better. Sometimes I understand they do not charge these folks and just put it aside. I even spoke of one we had in California that wrote me off my debts, and they were quite high as my son was premature and ended up in Stanford Hospital critical care unit for over a month when he was allowed to come home with us. Tough times do get recognized and excused by some hospitals. For anyone to say my experiences are not real is wrong as wrong can be.
 
BobF said:
Jim, now your are talking just as biased as she is. I did not say her years were lies or nonsense. I believe I was saying that my experience is what I went through and have spoken of. Her experiences are hers and mine are mine. If she can not accept that to be the way it is, too bad. Both of us are telling what we have seen and known. Now I wonder just what I have spoken of is so nasty and bad that my words can not be accepted by some. I know that some hospitals have open ER's, is that wrong? I know that some folks with no money have no insurance and no money. Is that wrong?

Sometimes charges are set quite high so negotiations can take place depending on the situation. Far too much is kept secret and we only get to see our personal charges and insurance coverage of that amount. Most prices would scare me pretty badly. We never see a list of charges in any medical place I have gone to. Only when we get to the low lever tests do we see any fixed prices. Such and such for this, do you want to pay up front or by insurance etc.

One charge I never saw and it was in two hospitals, one in New Mexico and one in Arizona. My brain tumor, suspected in Colorado, sent to New Mexico for the brain tumor operation, then on to Arizona for the radiation follow up. Then back to New Mexico for the follow up meetings and tests. Never heard of the charges asked, nor the amounts paid by the insurance. But did get final notice payments of some amount.
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Thank you for this last post. You have cleared up a lot of things. Now I understand a whole lot better..
 
Defunding would cost the government dearly, more here.


On Thursday, the Senate will vote on a bill to keep government operations running that also includes a measure to defund Planned Parenthood. That vote comes after the House passed a bill stripping the women’s health organization of all federal funding last week.

The issue of defunding Planned Parenthood has now gotten tangled up in the question of whether Congress can successfully pass a bill with enough funding to keep the government open before a shutdown would kick in on October 1. Some Republicans are demanding that the organization lose its funding in return for any support of a bill that would keep the government open.

But for the party that bills itself as fiscally responsible and concerned with deficits, the move doesn’t make much sense. Beyond the fact that a shutdown itself is costly, defunding Planned Parenthood would come with a huge price tag.

Earlier this week, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the nonpartisan agency tasked with determining the costs of proposed legislation, released its findings that permanently stripping Planned Parenthood of federal funding would increase government spending by $130 million over a decade.

Federal funding constitutes about a third of the organization’s overall revenues, most of it from Medicaid. It’s not clear whether, how, and when Planned Parenthood would be able to replace that money with other sources, but the CBO estimated that any ability to cover the gap would eventually dry up.

That would reduce reproductive care for somewhere between 5 and 25 percent of the people it currently serves, mostly women in low-income areas where few other options exist. The Guttmacher Institute recently found that among the 491 counties with Planned Parenthood clinics currently, there are no other centers in 103 of them where low-income patients can get affordable contraceptive services.
Without those services, the women in those areas would have a harder time avoiding unwanted pregnancies. The additional births would have to be covered by Medicaid, as would the needs of the children as they grew up and potentially other social safety net programs.

Given all of those factors, Medicaid spending alone would increase by $650 million over 10 years, and even with the estimated savings of not giving funding to Planned Parenthood, net spending would increase.

Some places have faced the reality of these numbers. In 2011, Texas lawmakers slashed family planning funding by $73 million — but after learning that it would mean the delivery of 24,000 babies that women wouldn’t have otherwise had, at a cost of $273 million to cover the medical expenses and care for the infants, lawmakers of both parties worked to reinstate funding. Still, they pursued a state-wide family planning network that excluded Planned Parenthood, and the workaround is estimated to cost the state between $5.5 and $6.6 million. And today, more than half of Texas women say they’ve faced at least one barrier to getting needed reproductive health services.

In general, funding family planning services is incredibly cost effective. For every dollar spent on providing women with access to contraception through these programs, the federal government saves $3.74 by avoiding unwanted births. In general, every dollar spent on publicly funded family planning services come with huge savings — more than $7 — thanks to preventing unwanted births as well as through other preventative care measures such as STI testing and Pap smears.

Unplanned pregnancies also come at a financial cost to the women who have them, beyond potential emotional and physical costs. In a study, women who weren’t able to obtain an abortion were three times more likely to fall into poverty in the subsequent two years than those who were able to get one. Among women who seek abortions, one of the most frequently cited reasons is because they can’t afford to have a baby.
 
BobF said:
That means the Republican Senators were not fully aboard with the Republican House ideas.
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NO.... that means that they didn't have 60 votes to overcome the filibuster. There isn't 60 Republican senators in the Senate.

BUT that's a moot point anyway.. With boehner stepping down the end of October, and the budget deadline October 1st. He is now free to put a budget up for a vote with the help of the House Democrats. A budget that will pass the Senate with the help of the Democrats. And the loonie toons can just suck eggs.. because there is nothing they can do to him..
 
Shalimar said:
Why is Boehner stepping down?
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He is tired of trying to run the House and do what is right for the country, at the same time trying to appease the loony Right Wing Teaparty caucus who want to destroy the government.. Who knows.. maybe the Pope got to him.. but by stepping down the end of October, he has time to get a budget passed with the help of the House Democrats... and there is nothing the Teaparty can do to him. They can't threaten to boot him out as speaker because he is already going.. I think Boehner actually does care about the country and sees how they are destroying it.
 
Republican/Tea Party trying to defund Planned Parenthood is just another wasted effort of time and money, same with their efforts on ACA and investigating Hillary.

Instead of producing positive, constructive legislation they are constantly looking for a boogie man in every corner.
 
Producer of the misleading edited Planned Parenthood videos admits they're a fraud. More here.


Daleiden has had a lot of practice crafting false videos in the name of manipulating public opinion against a woman having access to legal and safe abortions. He also had a lot of practice in deception, such as when he created a phony company called BioMax.

Based on the interview with CNN, he is less competent at deception when he’s asked questions

For Republicans, letting Daleiden speak meant the truth might slip out. Daleiden might admit that in the 43 edits he took quotes out of context and falsely attributed quotes to Planned Parenthood employees. He might remind people that the “full version” of the video is just a less edited version.

Daleiden’s organization Center for Medical Progress is part of a network of anti-choice groups.

One of Daleiden’s long-time friends is Lila Rose, president of the anti-choice group Live Action. She pointed to the benefits of spacing out the release of those videos.
The power of having time to evaluate each exposé is very helpful in public education,” Rose said, adding that they also deserve the scrutiny of people in “regulatory bodies.


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For Republicans, Daleiden was the perfect choice to produce and doctor the video attack on Planned Parenthood. He has ties to Operation Rescue. Interestingly, Planned Parenthood was awarded an $880,000 judgment in 1999 because of Operation Rescue’s harassment and intimidation of PP’s staff.

 
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