How can anyone still believe in covid?

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George1959 said:
Why is Robert F. Kennedy jr. not popular within his own party, the Democrats? Because he told the truth about Fauci, Gates and their connections with Big Pharma.
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You have no understanding on the RFK Jr. issue. The name Kennedy does not guarantee worship from the Democrats, or the Republicans either for that matter.

oops. hope above not too political, my apologies if it is
 

George1959 said:
Every time they or I give you the link to a single physician or a group of doctors or scientists you answer that these people are biased. But why do you think, that the CDC and your government is unbiased?
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What bias would all governments and medical bodies have ?? Not just the CDC or one government but all major medical bodies and governments of countries?

Whereas clearly every link you provided had an extreme right wing bias.
 
Any person who talks with knowledge about covid needs to acknowledge that we really still no very little about why some persons got very sick…and others not at all. And I am talking before vaccinations.
 

Muskrat said:
Any person who talks with knowledge about covid needs to acknowledge that we really still no very little about why some persons got very sick…and others not at all. And I am talking before vaccinations.
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Why look at Covid differently than any other illness? From flu to bee stings, some things always affect some more than others, and that includes reactions to vaccines or any medicine.
 
Not a gov. article.

As of April 13, 2024, the Coronavirus Tracker is no longer being updated due to the unfeasibility of providing statistically valid global totals, as the majority of countries have now stopped reporting. However, historical data remain accessible. Worldometer delivered the most accurate and timely global statistics to users and institutions around the world at a time when this was extremely challenging. We thank everyone who participated in this extraordinary collaborative effort.

COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS / DEATH TOLL
UPDATES - Graphs - Countries - Death Rate - Incubation - Age - Symptoms
Last updated: April 13, 2024, 01:00 GMT
Coronavirus Death Toll
7,010,681 deaths
7,010,681 people have died so far from the coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak as of April 13, 2024, 01:00 GMT.

There are currently 704,753,890 confirmed cases in 229 countries and territories . The fatality rate is still being assessed.

Coronavirus Death Toll and Trends - Worldometer

Googled this
normal yearly death toll by common cold world wide

by S Dattani · 2023 · Cited by 1 — Globally, seasonal influenza kills an average of 700,000 people each year from respiratory disease or cardiovascular disease.
normal yearly death toll by common cold world wide - Google Search

Did covid-19 kill everybody? No
Did the measures & vaccine put in place help with the pandemic?

The math should help decide.
 
I believe there are unrecognized differences between persons that make some persons more at risk. These differences are more subtle than being obese or a diabetic. In medicine these are called risk factors. We know that smoking is a risk factor for lung disease. But we do not know if genetic differences increase our risk of covid, or that a plant based diet reduces risk. This is a serious lapse in the concept of preventative care. It is not practical to expect all people to remain vaccinated all the time. Besides making people angry.
 
I posted the link to a study in an earlier thread. I’ll have to look for that link again. It was a good RCT study, peer reviewed and posted on the NIH website. The bottom line was ALL people get infected, 20% of those infected never show symptoms. Half of that group had an identifiable mutation on chromosome 6 that influences immunity to COVID. In addition, those with the mutation had to have been infected earlier in life with one of the other four corona viruses for resistance to activate. It essentially shuts down the virus before it can start showing symptoms.

For the USA, that means we have approximately 66 million people that will never show a symptom. Of that 66 million, we know the “why” for 33 million of them. The other half - who knows?
 
Tazx said:
So, reading these forums is shocking! Despite all the mountains of evidence that covid was a scam, and the vax was nothing more than a deadly human trial, I still see people posting about it like it was real, and scary, and deadly. How?
4 years later we have enough evidence to show that; 1) not a single country can prove covid exists/ed, (see all the FOIR's), 2) more vax deaths and injuries than can be counted, 3) the hospital records in the many, many court cases are showing that they were full of vaxxed not un vaxxed (93%), and, 4) that masks, distancing etc was made up! Yet, people believing...
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Seriously? Sigh.... I'd LOL about this, but it's too pathetic to laugh at. I predict this poster will have a short stint here at SF.
 
Tazx said:
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"4 years later we have enough evidence to show that; 1) not a single country can prove covid exists/ed, (see all the FOIR's)"

I didn't know what FOIR meant so I looked for an explanation.

Fixed Obligation to Income Ratio
Fixed Obligation to Income Ratio (FOIR)

Maybe there is another explanation that has something to do with the deaths of those that died from covid-19.
 
Knight said:
Tazx said:
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"4 years later we have enough evidence to show that; 1) not a single country can prove covid exists/ed, (see all the FOIR's)"

I didn't know what FOIR meant so I looked for an explanation.

Fixed Obligation to Income Ratio
Fixed Obligation to Income Ratio (FOIR)

Maybe there is another explanation that has something to do with the deaths of those that died from covid-19.
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Freedom of information request (FOIR)
 
Muskrat said:
I believe there are unrecognized differences between persons that make some persons more at risk. These differences are more subtle than being obese or a diabetic. In medicine these are called risk factors. We know that smoking is a risk factor for lung disease. But we do not know if genetic differences increase our risk of covid, or that a plant based diet reduces risk. This is a serious lapse in the concept of preventative care. It is not practical to expect all people to remain vaccinated all the time. Besides making people angry.
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Who is getting angry??

Of course there are unknown factors and known factors making some people more at risk of Covid, as there are for just about all diseases.

Risk factors aren't certainties though - so just like people who have no family history, don't smoke, are not overweight yet still have a heart attack, people not known to be at risk for Covid can still get it severely.
And of course can still spread it to others

Really not sure what point you are making as all that seems stating the obvious.
 
George1959 said:
Whom do you mean with 'conspiracy idiots'? The physicians and scientists who are warning from the dangers of the mRNA shots or people like chic, Tazx, John cycling and me? Or both of us?

Every time they or I give you the link to a single physician or a group of doctors or scientists you answer that these people are biased. But why do you think, that the CDC and your government is unbiased?

Why is Robert F. Kennedy jr. not popular within his own party, the Democrats? Because he told the truth about Fauci, Gates and their connections with Big Pharma.

Did you believe the incubator lie from the daughter of the ambassador of Kuwait or the lie, that the Iraq had weapons for mass destruction? Both were lies, your government used.
Nayirah testimony - Wikipedia

So, what reasons do you have to believe, that the credibility of your souces of information is higher than these of the critics of the mRNA shots?

And finally: You use the words 'hate' and 'idiots', not the mentioned critics nor we. Personal insults don't make your arguments stronger.
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True across the board. I'm sick of hated and division as are so many other Americans. There's no need to insult an individual by disparaging his/her intelligence for making a medical decision that you disagree with.

And we have been lied to about other matters but I want to stick with medical because that is what is relevant to this thread. I'm not sure if Astrazeneca will be the pharma company that pays for all the lies people were told re covid and vaccines, but the law suits have begun. I hope there will be some kind of justice for the vaccine injured.
 
EmptyCup said:
I posted the link to a study in an earlier thread. I’ll have to look for that link again. It was a good RCT study, peer reviewed and posted on the NIH website. The bottom line was ALL people get infected, 20% of those infected never show symptoms. Half of that group had an identifiable mutation on chromosome 6 that influences immunity to COVID. In addition, those with the mutation had to have been infected earlier in life with one of the other four corona viruses for resistance to activate. It essentially shuts down the virus before it can start showing symptoms.

For the USA, that means we have approximately 66 million people that will never show a symptom. Of that 66 million, we know the “why” for 33 million of them. The other half - who knows?
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I was fascinated to find that pretty much all of us had been infected with polio as kids before the vaccine- most folks just had mild symptoms- as mild as an upset tummy for some- and a very small percentage got the more severe symptoms including paralysis. Interesting, eh?
 
OlderThanDirt said:
I was fascinated to find that pretty much all of us had been infected with polio as kids before the vaccine- most folks just had mild symptoms- as mild as an upset tummy for some- and a very small percentage got the more severe symptoms including paralysis. Interesting, eh?
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Maybe so, but for that small percentage polio's consequences were devastating. I knew plenty of people who were handicapped for life due to that dreaded illness.
 
I contracted polio in 1954 (age 9), bad lower back all my adult life. Enlisted in USAF spent 4 years in service. Played football in HS. Played LL baseball. Worked construction for years. Still have back trouble. Dr told my parents, Don't baby him. They never did.

Didn't receive my 1st polio vaccine until age 18. The AF made sure of that.
 
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It’s sad that members can’t discuss a topic without getting attacked. This is supposed to be a non political forum but we all know there are all kinds of political threads. While I might not agree with everything on this thread, I am surprised with the amount of attacks the OP had to put up with.

I’m not on any side, mainly because I don’t know enough but I am one who refrained from continuing to get the Covid vaccination. My reasoning might be different from others. I’ve purposely not shared my thoughts and feelings about it due to threads like this.

When I was a child I couldn’t get the small pox vaccination due to being fatally allergic to penicillin which was used as a stabilizer. Apparently they no longer use it as a stabilizer now but I have yet to know what it’s been replaced with.

I’m interested in finding out more about the vaccination and was very surprised with the aggressiveness shown towards the thread starter. I don’t think the thread should be taken down but do think some posts could have been deleted.

I don’t know enough about the vaccination to commend one way or another but am surprised that people wondered where the opening poster went. Maybe the title of the thread could have been worded differently.

Anyway it’s sad that those minorities who think differently need to put up with this type of treatment. I initially laughed at the questioning of where the OP went. I took back my laughter. It’s not actually funny.

We all aren’t going to agree with every poster but I really think the attacking is needless. Why add insult to injury?

NOTE: I didn’t read the entire thread.
 
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I'm 80 years old, and its taken me an awful long time for this to sink in. It just does not matter to me what another feels/thinks about "trigger subjects". By that I mean Covid, religion, gun control, abortions, sexual orientation or identification, immigration, and of course politics.

Always keep in mind that no matter how wrong you feel another person is, there isn't a darn thing you can do to change their mind. And honestly, what does it matter what a person thinks anyway?

Sorry, to some that may sound silly, but I'm just too old and my time left is too short to give a hoot!
 

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