How Can We Stop Killing

Ruthanne

Ruthanne

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From my Catholic upbringing I have always believed that killing was wrong, very wrong. Yet, It happens all the time. I realize sometimes people have to be stopped from killing at many expenses..but isn't there a better way to stop it? I have seen that many other ways have sometimes been used like rubber bullets and so forth..what's your answer to this?

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In a perfect world of make believe, it would never be necessary to kill because there would be no evil. But we live In the real world, where there is evil.
Rubber bullets are fine - to disperse rioters who are only bent on causing trouble - but are not killing or causing serious injury.
 

win231 said:
In a perfect world of make believe, it would never be necessary to kill because there would be no evil. But we live In the real world, where there is evil.
Rubber bullets are fine - to disperse rioters who are only bent on causing trouble - but are not killing or causing serious injury.
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So what is your answer to control the killing @win231
 
I would think that tasers could be used if possible. I am against killing but sometimes I think you try to stop something and instead of slowly something down someone dies. I think about what my daddy said a few times about somebody he did not like "he's not worth killing". We knew he disliked the person quite a bit!
 
terry123 said:
I would think that tasers could be used if possible. I am against killing but sometimes I think you try to stop something and instead of slowly something down someone dies. I think about what my daddy said a few times about somebody he did not like "he's not worth killing". We knew he disliked the person quite a bit!
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I am familiar with Tasers, as well as firearms. Tasers have certain limitations that you may not be aware of.
A Taser fires 2 darts that are connected to wires that are about 20 feet in length. As long as the darts are in clothing, they can deliver enough of an electric shock to incapacitate an attacker.
BUT, if an attacker is further than 20 feet away & is armed, a Taser is useless.
And, a Taser is limited to ONE shot & no fast reload. If that one shot misses, that's the end of the game. Rats run in packs & if there is more than one attacker, the Taser will be useless.
And, any police officer who has used a Taser will tell you it is not always effective - due to an attacker being on certain drugs that cause a Taser to have NO effect at all.
Why do you suppose police officers carry firearms - that hold 17 shots & extra magazines that hold 17 apiece & can be reloaded in 1.5 seconds, in addition to their Tasers? And assault rifles in their vehicles that hold 30 rounds & are more deadly than their handguns?
 
win231 said:
If you're referring to criminals killing & hurting others, there is no answer. Evil people are part of the human race.
If you're referring to killing in self defense to prevent an evil act, again, there is no answer.
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That's a sensible response. It's too easy to be emotional about this issue. Rational common sense is needed. Personally , I think that if the police are faced with a mob throwing stones and petrol bombs at them, I think they should be able to defend themselves in any way they can, which includes killing if necessary.
 
Ruthanne said:
And furthermore, we need to start using other measures to control people who go violent...after all we are all lible to do that given the right circumstances:oops:
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With respect, I think this is a bit of an oversimplification. Perhaps we are all capable of violence given the right circumstances -- but those "right circumstances" vary widely. I would be capable of violence to save my own life or the life of a loved one, but I cannot think of any right circumstance where I would be capable of random violence, like random shootings or mass shooting. Some people see "right circumstances" to be that they are pissed off at the world in general, or an employer, or a certain group of people, or they kill others to take their money or drugs or whatever.

I agree that there is no answer, but rubber bullets or tasers are not going to stop extreme violence, and in the case of mass or random shooters, etc., the only sensible goal is to take them out, one way or another, and if that involves killing the doer to save more lives, then so be it.
 
There are unlimited responses on this subject. Just today for example a mentally ill actress was shot to death by police after she pointed a gun at them but the gun was a BB gun. Give me one good reason a company would make a BB gun to look like a real gun. Why not use a large rubber bullet to knock someone flat on their back stunning them? Tasers work but if a person has a gun then that is bringing a knife to a gun fight. The OP asks is there a better way to stop the killing. Sadly, I would answer what person would join the force if they were not allowed to shoot a person pointing a gun at them? If I had a child or spouse that could not shoot I would be worried ick every time they left the house. Doesn't it go back to the discussion of the role of mental health in the mass shootings?
 
It will never stop unless these things happen and even then would still continue to a lesser degree.

Take away all guns except for the purpose of animal hunting or for law enforcement and if a person gets caught using it for other purposes then jail time.

Stop the violence on television and movies, all these shows do is glorify death, torture, etc.

Ditto....The violent video games

Bring back the peace sign.
 
Ruthanne said:
From my Catholic upbringing I have always believed that killing was wrong
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Well God killed everything but pairs and one family to rid the world of Evil.... That had to include alot of INNOCENT children.
Guess hes the original Re-Booter...
Islam basically tells you to KILL any non believers that dont convert...
Look at what good Christians did to the Natives here in the Americas...
The Human animal is a civilized top of the chain predator, some more civilized and compassionate than others.
I Try to be one of those... But I would not hesitate to respond with extreme violent's to protect me and my own.
Do agree there are to many incidents of Police being over aggressive in their response to a situation, But they HAVE TO...
You have a split second to make a choice on your response, As I do in my job... and a life hangs in the balance..
My job. its the patient, with a cop its you that may not go home.
 
Lee said:
Take away all guns except for the purpose of animal hunting or for law enforcement and if a person gets caught using it for other purposes then jail time.
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Im sure every CRIMINAL will immediately run to the police station and turn in their weapons...
Since you might put them in jail if they commit a crime with it... Something that they should go to jail for WITHOUT IT...
Some star was ROBBED in ENGLAND... by several Thugs with KNIVES...
Had it been ME... HERE... its possible there would be a few LESS Thugs....
 
dont think we would have control killing in the UK ' anyone now using a gun especially terrorists are shot on the spot '
dont think we need to keep the evil in prisons - then let them out to start again -we have seen such horrific episodes over
here on buses blown apart trains full --police stabbed to death and tourists …

So no we dont need rubber bullets .. !!!!.
 
Lvstotrvl said:
It’s been said more than once, if you take our guns away you’ll have another Holocaust on our hands, is it true, who knows but I sure don’t want to find out!!
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I remember as a kid, asking my dad {a WWII vet} how the Nazi's were able to do what they did. He said well, mostly because they [the Jews] had very few / no guns. And some of the Jews that did have them hesitated to take a life themselves.
 
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I think the Op realizes that killing is situational, pointing out rubber bullets as one option.


But since there are so many situations maybe the OP can put herself in this situation.

She is a police officer, she is visiting a school for show & tell day for her 6 yr. old daughter.

A man enters her daughters classroom armed with guns and begins shooting kids. Does she plead with the shooter, take out her nightstick, her taser, or her gun to stop the slaughter of innocent children. Remember police officers are trained to prevent further deaths.
 
Based upon my life's experiences, I am convinced that about 10% of our population is "borderline nuts". Anything, at any time, can trigger them to commit a violent act. Some people criticize the police when they shoot someone, but in the vast majority of cases, the cop has little choice. In most of the inner cities, street gangs and illegal drugs are the root cause for most the murder statistics....how does society convince those people to stop "glorifying" that activity??

Some people think that confiscating guns is the answer.....but, there are already so many unregistered guns in this nation, that such action would only be honored by the law abiding people.....leaving millions of guns in the hands of the criminals, exposing lawfull people to even more likelihood of becoming a victim.

Humans are probably the Most Violent species of life on this planet, and nothing I know of is likely to change that.
 
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Aunt Bea said:
IMO it's a part of who we are and will never change.

The best that we can hope for is to control violence and minimize the risk of death to the general public.

I have wondered why we cannot develop tranquilizer darts similar to those used on animals to bring down a violent person in a stand-off situation.
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A tranquilizer dart releases a drug that takes several minutes to work. What can a criminal do in several minutes?
 
Ruthanne

"From my Catholic upbringing I have always believed that killing was wrong, very wrong. Yet, It happens all the time. I realize sometimes people have to be stopped from killing at many expenses..but isn't there a better way to stop it? I have seen that many other ways have sometimes been used like rubber bullets and so forth..what's your answer to this?"

This is a very tough question and I don't think any of us has the answer until the "moment of truth" is upon us.
In my case, I already know that I have a protective nature that would come into play pretty quickly.

For American society as a whole, I doubt that we will never eliminate killing. We will be lucky if we can even get it reduced.
 

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