How Can We Stop Killing

My 2 cents: Killing is not bad. Murder is bad. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. If you point a gun at someone, be fully ready to kill him, and take the consequences. If you kill someone on your front porch, drag him inside and claim self defense. I am against gun registration and gun confiscation.
I know that sounds pretty rough but my late husband was a Federal Marshal. Some of his views rubbed off on me.
 

Lee said:
It will never stop unless these things happen and even then would still continue to a lesser degree.

Take away all guns except for the purpose of animal hunting or for law enforcement and if a person gets caught using it for other purposes then jail time.

Stop the violence on television and movies, all these shows do is glorify death, torture, etc.

Ditto....The violent video games

Bring back the peace sign.
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LOL. Do they make a hunting gun that automatically won't fire if it's pointed at a person?
 
To me it is not an issue of the morality of killing rather one of fear of a life in prison. I had a 357 pointed at a guy that kicked down my front door back in the 80s. He froze at the door landing when he saw me and I did not shoot but my first thought was prison though I would most likely have never been charged in Texas. I could never survive life in a cage.
 
Pepper said:
Are you talking about Harry Styles?
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Sounds right.... Caught it on the news....
Charlotte had a well loved restaurant owner murdered.... Just nabbed the guy...
Had only been out of prison 3 months for another armed robbery.
An immediate 22 behind the ear is the only answer for these folks....
It MAY be a deterrent to others... But defiantly will stop a repeat offender...
 
People have been killing each other since the beginning of time, that will never end. Some cops do the jobs they were hired to do, protect and serve, and they will do anything to avoid taking someone's life if there are any other options. But cops are human, some racists, and will use their power to kill using a simple violation as an excuse. I personally would kill to save my own life or my husband's with no hesitation. Otherwise my motto is live and let live, I'm not full of hate and I despise violence.
 
The more people die, and the less we do about it, I think what the gun nuts fear most is that we are going to take away their toys. I don't buy the "guns don't kill" nonsense. It's really hard to bring down foes, by throwing bullets at them. I also don't buy the argument that someone needs a gun for "personal" protection. No one needs a do-it-yourself police force. I probably won't see weapons removed from the populace in my time, but I think it's inevitable.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The more people die, and the less we do about it, I think what the gun nuts fear most is that we are going to take away their toys. I don't buy the "guns don't kill" nonsense. It's really hard to bring down foes, by throwing bullets at them. I also don't buy the argument that someone needs a gun for "personal" protection. No one needs a do-it-yourself police force. I probably won't see weapons removed from the populace in my time, but I think it's inevitable.
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"I also don't buy the argument that someone needs a gun for "personal" protection. No one needs a do-it-yourself police force."

So.......if a bad guy is breaking into your house, or has already broken in......do you really think he is going to just wait there & not harm you, and let you dial 911 ?
 
CarolfromTX said:
Love how you refer to "gun nuts," as though anyone who owns a firearm is a fanatic. There are plenty of law abiding, reasonable gun owners. The founding fathers put the second amendment in there for a reason, so citizens could protect themselves.
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Agreed! I am not a "gun nut," but I own firearms and I've never felt the least inclination to do anything crazy. I would not hesitate to use said weapon to save my own life or that of a loved one.

If someone has broken into your house, it's too late to expect the police to get there in time to stop anyone intent on doing you harm.

Also, to Fuzzybuddy, my weapons are not "toys." They are tools for my own protection. I know how to use them responsibly and safely, and for the purpose for which they are intended, i.e., self-protection.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The more people die, and the less we do about it, I think what the gun nuts fear most is that we are going to take away their toys. I don't buy the "guns don't kill" nonsense. It's really hard to bring down foes, by throwing bullets at them. I also don't buy the argument that someone needs a gun for "personal" protection. No one needs a do-it-yourself police force. I probably won't see weapons removed from the populace in my time, but I think it's inevitable.
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Nothing wrong with anyone choosing NOT to own a gun - for any purpose. That's your choice. But you don't have the right to make that choice for anyone else.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The more people die, and the less we do about it, I think what the gun nuts fear most is that we are going to take away their toys. I don't buy the "guns don't kill" nonsense. It's really hard to bring down foes, by throwing bullets at them. I also don't buy the argument that someone needs a gun for "personal" protection. No one needs a do-it-yourself police force. I probably won't see weapons removed from the populace in my time, but I think it's inevitable.
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^^^^ A shining example of someone who likes to control others by telling them what they should & shouldn't do & how they should live.
 
Of course, every gun owner is a law abiding, responsible citizen. And guns are in no way associated with any kind of violence. But you do have to wonder why guns have been used in every war since they were invented. Why? Is it that they are efficient, and easy killing machines? The reason for having a gun is ultimately to kill something. In the US, we allow anyone to have a weapon. regardless of any 'gun' laws. Why do some feel the need to possess a method of killing others? Because the "others" supposedly have guns. If there were no guns, the threat of loosing ones existence is almost eliminated. I believe that when the current gun loving generation passes on, there just won't be the fervor to possess guns. It will be deemed that guns aren't worth the grief they bring. In 20 years , those Florida school students are going to be taking over.
I know there are some who like guns in this forum. As to law abiding gun owners .....We want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but I can personally sell weapons to anyone I meet in a dark alley. I don't even have to know their names. You're OK with that? Some one is robbed of 300 weapons, but won't tell the police, because of "privacy" issues. But someone swipes the kid's bike, and they are all over the cops.
And, yes, I'm anti-gun. Years ago,this guy showed up at my place with a gun. Scared the hell out of me. He was an idiot. He was the type of person, who would try to light his cigarette, by shooting off the end, in the middle of a crowded bar. Why would I think somebody could be that stupid, because he did it.
 
I'm not anti gun I realize guns make killing easier and less personal. By that I mean before spears clubs were used. Spears were great for awhile but not as effective as swords. Swords were great until bows & arrows made it possible to kill from a distance. Killing from a distance was less personal. Of course there are other ways like the entertainment by gladiators for the Roman public or hooking a man up to 4 horses & pulling him apart

Mankind has always been inventive when it comes to killing. So if all guns are melted then what? Anyone think mankind will stop killing?
 
Knight said:
I'm not anti gun I realize guns make killing easier and less personal. By that I mean before spears clubs were used. Spears were great for awhile but not as effective as swords. Swords were great until bows & arrows made it possible to kill from a distance. Killing from a distance was less personal. Of course there are other ways like the entertainment by gladiators for the Roman public or hooking a man up to 4 horses & pulling him apart

Mankind has always been inventive when it comes to killing. So if all guns are melted then what? Anyone think mankind will stop killing?
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Yes, those individuals who live in a fantasy land of their own making.
 
Sorry fuzzy, but my grandchildren are all down in Florida and since I raised them to respect and not fear guns, they're not going to be yowling to confiscate guns. Quite the contrary, I suspect they will grow up to be responsible adults who are comfortable with guns in the house.
By the way, my guns are not toys and I'm a bit insulted that you would basically call me and others a nut all because one person (obviously an idiot) who scared you with a gun has obviously scarred you for life.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Of course, every gun owner is a law abiding, responsible citizen. And guns are in no way associated with any kind of violence. But you do have to wonder why guns have been used in every war since they were invented. Why? Is it that they are efficient, and easy killing machines? The reason for having a gun is ultimately to kill something. In the US, we allow anyone to have a weapon. regardless of any 'gun' laws. Why do some feel the need to possess a method of killing others? Because the "others" supposedly have guns. If there were no guns, the threat of loosing ones existence is almost eliminated. I believe that when the current gun loving generation passes on, there just won't be the fervor to possess guns. It will be deemed that guns aren't worth the grief they bring. In 20 years , those Florida school students are going to be taking over.
I know there are some who like guns in this forum. As to law abiding gun owners .....We want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but I can personally sell weapons to anyone I meet in a dark alley. I don't even have to know their names. You're OK with that? Some one is robbed of 300 weapons, but won't tell the police, because of "privacy" issues. But someone swipes the kid's bike, and they are all over the cops.
And, yes, I'm anti-gun. Years ago,this guy showed up at my place with a gun. Scared the hell out of me. He was an idiot. He was the type of person, who would try to light his cigarette, by shooting off the end, in the middle of a crowded bar. Why would I think somebody could be that stupid, because he did it.
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Just a FYI: The term "Ignorant" means having a lack of knowledge, being uninformed; not necessarily "stupid."
Yes, guns are an efficient killing machine. I'm glad they are. If they weren't, they would be useless. A gun evens the odds if a 20-year-old thug decides to victimize an old guy like me.
If there were "no guns," the threat of "loosing" (losing) one's existence will not be eliminated; there are many ways of hurting or killing someone. Killing is a matter of will - not the availability of weapons.
Instead of complaining & tired, old rhetoric & drivel, why not suggest a solution - how would you propose to keep guns out of the hands of criminals...who "buy guns in dark alleys?" as opposed to how I bought mine - in a retail store after passing a detailed background check & safety & proficiency tests?
While you're at it, think of the 25,000 people killed each year by drunk drivers; how would you propose to keep cars out of their hands if they drive illegally - as most do?
How would you propose to keep illegal drugs out of people's hands?

The point is NOT whether cars kill more people than guns; the point is: Anyone can get anything they want by breaking the law. That's why more laws & restrictions don't work. You can't legislate criminal behavior & you can't legislate stupidity.
Example: The school shooter in Connecticut - Adam Lanza was prohibited from gun ownership due to mental illness, so his idiotic mother bought him guns & ammunition. How would you prevent that?
And anyone can use an inanimate object for evil purposes - 186 people were killed in less than one second in the Federal Building in Oklahoma - more than triple the number killed in the worst mass shooting. The weapon: Diesel fuel & fertilizer.....available to anyone.
 
Criminals have more to gain than lose, so there is no incentive for them not to commit the crime. If caught, they serve a little jail time and then their back on the streets again, with more street cred than before. In some cases prison life can be better than what the criminal has on the outside.

Severe consequences for the offenders is the only way to to curb their lust for such activities.
 
Specifically, I worry more about our schools

In 2019, eight people were killed and 43 were injured in 25 shooting incidents that occurred on school grounds or during school-sponsored events, according to Education Week.

I worry about our grandchildren, who are still in jr. high. All of the background checks, gun control, mental health checks, etc are all good, but many times they fail to ferret out the danger cases. And you can't blame the teachers because their day is already very busy..

Suppose, for example, you are a loving dad with 2 daughters at a school in your home town. Driving to work, you hear a disconcerting report that there might be an active shooter at the school. Your school has agreed to some trained armed staff who have been instructed to kill if necessary, and there is a sign at the entrance to the school that makes that clear.

You go into a panic, and obviously scurry to the school, but on the radio the news comes that the shooter has been wounded by an armed teacher and is in custody. How do you feel? (and be honest) You, like me, would give thanks for the trained teacher who was there at that critical time.

Remember the line from the movie "A Few Good Men"? I'll change a word or two. For those who criticize the trained teachers (with apologies to Jack Nicholson) "We live in schools that has halls, and those halls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? ACounselor? The coach? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom, and that's protecting those students" And you want me in those halls! You need me on those halls!

This is hard for me to admit as a former teacher, but I think it would save a lot of student’s lives.
 

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