How Does One Afford Assisted Living?

“the fact that my posts do not reflect a sympathetic attitude toward the less fortunate is not an accident,”

This is by far the most insensitive post that I've seen in all of my years on senior forums or in person. I agree with one point, no one needs feel any guilt for being successful, but to look down with scorn on those less fortunate is IMO beyond the pale.

Some of the folks on here are open and asking for advice because for whatever reason, they find themselves struggling. I'm not one of them (at present) but I would think twice about opening up about any problems if this is the scorn that I would receive in return.

You wouldn't get scornful remarks from most people...most on this site are not like that.

The comment about being able to afford assisted living if you "don't have to pay the gardener and housekeeper" says a lot.
 

Wealth is relative, and I doubt Oprah, Bill Gates, etc. spend much time on internet forums.

However, there are some obnoxious people who are financially well-off and like to remind others about their own success and good fortune. Not that unusual.

Look, I'm not going to bat this back and forth. The point has been made.
 
Wealth is relative, and I doubt Oprah, Bill Gates, etc. spend much time on internet forums.

However, there are some obnoxious people who are financially well-off and like to remind others about their own success and good fortune. Not that unusual.

Look, I'm not going to bat this back and forth. The point has been made.
Have a nice day.
 
Most cannot afford assisted living. What we did was to get my mom on Medicaid and placed her into a State run Nursing home where my cousin works and keeps and eye on her. She is doing very well at 87 with Dementia. My dad refused to go anywhere. He wanted to die at home and so we arranged for nurses and Aids to stop by to check on him as well as doctors making house calls. My sister saw him almost daily and he died at the age of 90, the night before he was going to be involuntarily sent to a nursing home because he started hallucinating.

Around here assisted nursing places are luxurious. The wealthier people enter them at a young age since it is like living in a hotel. They get most of their meals prepared for them and maid service. There is an inside parking garage and buses to take them on trips. As they get older the amount of care increases accordingly. I am investing just for this reason. Plus I have no mortgage or children to save for so we should have enough saved for a few years of assisted living, maybe more depending on the Stock Market.
 
We have long term care insurance that covers me for two years and my wife for three years. We took out the insurance in 1999. Costs $1,569.00 a year that covers both of us. Covers $209.00 a day,for each of us which would not be enough today but it would pay a good share. It also covers home care.

We hope that we never need to use it but feel better knowing we have it and will be able to leave some money to our children.
 
As far as I know there are many types of funding for assisted senior living and as usual it depends on your income. It also depends on what state you live in and how much state funding you can get. My mother is 94, gets around 1000 in social security, and receives Medicare and Medicaid.

She lives in government housing, not assisted living, and receives a housing voucher to help pay for the rent. There are two programs that supply her food, and the food is delivered to her apartment. If she moved into assisted living, she would get approx. 35 dollars a month, but everything else would be paid for. She refuses to go to assisted living.

I have two, disabled from birth, sons who live in group homes. While group homes differ from assisted living, and the funding is similar the laws are different. If they become seniors, they will still live in group homes and will not be required to move. Now that my husband gets social security, they get a combination of funds from social security and SSI.

The boys (lol, in their 30's) also get Medicare and Medicaid. One of my sons is on the waiting list for a housing voucher-seven year wait in our state. The voucher would reduce his rent and give him more spending money. When my husband dies, their income will increase a great deal, but they will still live in their homes as "spend downs" will occur so that they can still qualify.

I wonder, if you are an elderly disabled person, if you could get funding for a group home placement instead of an assisted living placement. One of my sons is total care.

As for a nursing home placement, I spendt 24 hours in a nursing home last summer. Was supposed to stay 2 months. I'd rather be dead. In fact, at my exit interview, I was asked if being there had changed my mind on my DNI/DNR orders. Yes, I replied, it had. I was more sure than ever that I'd rather be dead.
 
Lon, the OP, has been MIA since last June. I hope he is okay, and just found a place more to his liking.
 
Some people really really need assisted living. Others just need regular help. I've talked to people in the medical industry regarding home care and they said the goal is to keep patients out of a hospital and/or setting. They say it's actually better and cheaper to send nurses and therapists out to someone's home on a regular basis. Focus on keeping regular insurance up. Concentrate on remaining independent as long as possible no matter what friends and family have done. If the doctor prescribes it one can get routine home visitations for medical and light cleaning etc. See if friends and family can help out. I understand that some will actually need it but too many have been groomed, brainwashed or misinformed that assisted living facilities is where we all will and 'should' go.

Ive read several articles on the long term care industry over the last several years and many think the industry has peaked due to costs. They long term care insurance will wind up going up significantly to offset the declining use.

But this goes back to a reason to continue to work on investing or even working a bit.
 
It's a good idea not to mix up the terms for senior/eldercare facilities. In the U.S., there are many different types of facilities, some for-profit and fewer that are non-profit.

The general categories are:
- Independent living, such a senior community facility or development. "Over 55+" designations are usually used.
- Assisted living, which can be defined in many different ways. Different facilities will have different rules for determining what amount of "assistance" is provided versus what is charged extra for.
- Skilled Care, which is what "nursing homes" and "convalescent facilities" are classified under.
- Memory Care, specifically 24/7 for the dementia-afflicted. Rates charged are usually the same as Skilled Care, but not always.

Senior facilities can be any combination of the above. States determine licensing standards, so what is "legal" in your state may not be applicable to another state's laws.

Although Medicaid rates Skilled Care facilities, they do NOT rate Assisted Living facilities. Some states inspect and rate all types of senior facilities, but some do not. The ones that do, usually post ratings on state websites. If your state does this, it's one of the first places you should research to select a facility, but especially for Skilled Care/Convalescent and Memory Care.

Asst Living costs vary widely according to individual facilities. I live in a high-labor cost state, and AL facilities cost from 50% to 65% of SCare/MCare.

As far as I know there are no federal or state programs that will grant funds for AL. There are often state or county programs that offer financial help for at-home care, so there may be a local governmental program somewhere that gives $$$ for private facility-based AL.

I can only say in my state, such programs are for at-home care only, restricted to those in financial need - essentially Medicaid-based care. If a senior doesn't qualify for Medicaid, any AL costs must be personally paid for.

It is not wise to assume that if you can afford to pay for a full-service seniorcare facility, that if you live there for a while, even if you eventually run out of $$$ the facility will "have to keep you as a patient if you need nursing care". I do not think any post to this discussion said this, but I know I have read this kind of statement on several different senior forums by more than one person.

This is probably dependent upon state laws, but I can say unequivocally it is NOT true in my state. We researched a number of eldercare facilities in 2014 for my MIL, and of 9 facilities, four said in response to my question, that any resident who could no longer afford their charges, had to move out.

What may cause confusion is that unless the facility actually closes up (which on rare cases has happened), the facility cannot just "dump" a patient out on the street, according to MOST states' laws. However, what they can do is put that patient's name on a waitlist for a Medicaid-only facility, and as soon as that patient is accepted, they are moved out.

Interestingly, we found that monthly rents for units in seniorcare facilities didn't differ much between the for-profits and non-profits. But once patients moved into Skilled Care/Conv and Memory Care, there was a BIG gap between the two types of companies. For-profits were 15-20+% higher in monthly cost.
 
I can't figure out how my mother did it ?...Her total retirement income, SS & pension was $414...p/mo...yes I helped her when she was short [inside joke ...she was only 5' tall] :) But she never asked for or needed [that] much. She lived in 3 different ones, and they ALL were nice...efficiency style apts.

This was back in the mid-late 90's....Have they gone up in price that bad ?
Maybe there was a program that provided financial assistance to live there. I doubt very seriously the escalation in prices were that much since the 90's. My mom lived quite nicely on $600 SS a month. She had saved money via U.S. bonds and a bank account when she was working. She lived in a nice public housing apartment across the street from my apartment. Public housing only takes 33% of your income. Also she was on the PAAD prescription plan so that even her most expensive medications only cost her $5 each. She was always impeccably dressed and never asked me for a dime. When it was necessary for her to go into a nursing home, she paid the first few months out of pocket and after that they let her stay courtesy of medicaid. It was a nice place too.
 

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