How does something like this happen?

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helenbacque

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My brain will not accept this: Frostproof FL school teacher stabbed 70+ times by 20 year old son whose only reason for attack was “she annoyed me.” He is 4th year pre-med UF student with NO history of behavior issues. No drugs or alcohol involved. Model student, model son. Youngest of 4 children. Graduated high school top of class. WTF?

Good utube presentation by Polk Co. FL Sheriff Grady Judd but I couldn’t manage to copy. Google is your friend here.
 

Today's youth although he was a young adult seems to be set off by the littlest thing.

Stabbing someone 70 times is work and regardless of youth have to wonder if they were drugs involved. Had that woman California stab her boyfriend 100 times on somekind pot.

A different incident but a 16 year old in St Louis area bashed a 15 year old skull off a pavement 3 fully intentional times. Seems to be a ' I'll show you' attitude ie their message is just as important as the physical result

A generation of suppressed rage which usually works itself out with a rebel phase. But that rebel seems to be a way of life and not a phase most move/moved on from.
 
Grady Judd is a friend of mine. I call him “America’s Number One Sheriff.”

This young fellow has what is called a “superiority complex.” He feels that he is above everyone, including his mother, but because he lives with her, he feels he has the right to eliminate her from his life without penalty.
 
How does something like this happen?

We'd all like to know. Studies are being done, but very few of them. The US seems more focused on prevention than cause, but it's useless to prevent something when you have no idea what's causing it.

Guesses include diet, social media, chemicals in everyday products, and bad parenting. Sadly, I have to wonder if the bad parenting narrative is pretty popular because the food, media, and chemistry industries are pretty profitable.
 
Mike said:
Did his mother die?

Mike.
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Yes and he is being held w/o bond charged with murder. Drove from Gainesville for weekend at home. Met mother at door, knife in hand, and began attack. When done he dialed 911 and waited for police. Said his medical training taught him where to strick to be more effective but she struggled. Ring camera recorded his mother screaming his name. Said he had been wanting to do it for years. Decided today was the day on drive from Gainesville.

Reminds me of the tower shooting at TX college years ago. Autopsy of that killer showed tumor in brain as I recall.
 
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I'll be interested in his blood test results. Marijuana has been known to cause irrational rage incidents like this.

From Alex Berenson's book "Tell Your Children."
A 2018 study of people with psychosis in Switzerland found that almost half of cannabis users became violent over a three-year period; their risk of violence was four times that of psychotic people who didn’t use. (Alcohol didn’t seem to increase violence in this group at all.) The effect is not confined to people with preexisting psychosis. A 2012 study of 12,000 high school students across the United States showed that those who used cannabis were more than three times as likely to become violent as those who didn’t, surpassing the risk of alcohol use.
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This is a good example of not buying into the idea of people who never had problems won't .
School placement .. top of the class .........does not make you a good person or mentally stable either.... anyone can snap ... we do not know what is behind photos...
A good resume does not always equal a good employee ..... either.
Maybe it is media for highlighting this stereotype of "good kid gone bad." ........... if kid was a drop out of troubled would it barely make the news
 
Schizophrenia tends to appear in a person's early adult years. Maybe that is why? I believe I heard psychologists hypothesize that the man who shot Gabby Giffords might have been schizophrenic.
What is Schizophrenia? | NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness
From the site:

Research suggests that schizophrenia may have several possible causes:
  • Genetics. Schizophrenia isn’t caused by just one genetic variation, but a complex interplay of genetics and environmental influences. Heredity does play a strong role—your likelihood of developing schizophrenia is more than six times higher if you have a close relative, such as a parent or sibling, with the disorder
  • Environment. Exposure to viruses or malnutrition before birth, particularly in the first and second trimesters has been shown to increase the risk of schizophrenia. Recent research also suggests a relationship between autoimmune disorders and the development of psychosis.
  • Brain chemistry. Problems with certain brain chemicals, including neurotransmitters called dopamine and glutamate, may contribute to schizophrenia. Neurotransmitters allow brain cells to communicate with each other. Networks of neurons are likely involved as well.
  • Substance use. Some studies have suggested that taking mind-altering drugs during teen years and young adulthood can increase the risk of schizophrenia. A growing body of evidence indicates that smoking marijuana increases the risk of psychotic incidents and the risk of ongoing psychotic experiences. The younger and more frequent the use, the greater the risk.
 
VintageBetter said:
Substance use. Some studies have suggested that taking mind-altering drugs during teen years and young adulthood can increase the risk of schizophrenia. A growing body of evidence indicates that smoking marijuana increases the risk of psychotic incidents and the risk of ongoing psychotic experiences. The younger and more frequent the use, the greater the risk.
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does anyone else read this type of thing in mental illness explanations ......... and still think recreational drug use is just fine....
 
Pepper said:
Wow, he sure hated her. Wonder why.
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There doesn't have to be a good reason. He said she was "annoying." Maybe she just called him every few days to see if he was okay. Maybe she was noticing that something seemed off and was trying to get him to see a doctor.

Mothers are there. Sometimes that's reason enough for mentally ill people to focus all their anxiety and paranoia on their mothers.

I used to tutor a little neighbor boy who had autism. His mother was loving and devoted, but he would often complain to me about her and say things like, "I really don't like her very much. " All because of things like asking him, after several hours, to quit playing computer games and do his school work for a little while.
 
It's possible there were early indicators of the son's metal disturbances but they were ignored, or he refused treatment. People have a tendency to not believe what's right in front of them, like a cheating spouse, an alcoholic friend, a child using drugs, or mental breakdown, and it's just as hard to address those issues in ourselves.

My belief is there were some indicators of the sons deteriorating instability, that kind of rage is deep seated and takes time to fester.
 
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Jeni said:
does anyone else read this type of thing in mental illness explanations ......... and still think recreational drug use is just fine....
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Does alcohol fall under the title of "mind-altering drugs", or does Uncle Billie getting bombed out of his gourd every Sunday afternoon at the family gathering, and weaving his way home in his truck, fall under a different category?

Old people seem to excuse or "not notice" problems caused by alcohol use (of which most are guilty) but fall all over themselves describing how someone puffing on a joint is a "hardened criminal".

Add on the beer and wine and hard stuff and then maybe the description of "mind altering drugs" will make some sense.
 
Yes, as I was reading this thread, I was wondering the same thing. Where does alcohol fit in? All the accusations about marijuana and other drugs seem to somehow bypass all the grief, crime, violence, and general tragedy that are so often caused by alcohol.

Not that that makes mind-altering drugs OK. I have never used one, not once in my life. But alcohol is one of those drugs also.

So then, what? Banning any of these substances never seems to work out. People find a way to get what they want. From what I've read about prohibition in the 1920's, the speakeasies did a robust business.

The trouble is, it's a slippery slope. There's apparently a big difference between an occasional puff of marijuana and fentynal (probably spelling it wrong.) So where and how should the line be drawn?
 
Teachers are not always good parents. I've spoken to the daughter of a teacher and the son of a headmaster of a high school. Both told me that the father was very demanding. They always had to be the best students of their class. "Don't bring shame on me!" was their motto. He hated his mother and obviously had enough reasons for this strong emotion.
 

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