How long can the world sustain such huge population numbers ?

ElCastor said:
You assume that African women have much to say about getting pregnant.
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No I don't. My post you quoted was in response to your statement about 19th Century American farmers. That's why at the top of my post I put this in quotes: "19th century American farmers had large families -- primarily because the kids were needed to work on the farm and eventually care for their elderly parents."
 

fuzzybuddy said:
Has anyone come up with a reliable , fact based, explanation why the birthrates of some nations are so low, and others high?
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I don't think there's any one explanation. It's a complex problem with factors including culture, religion, poverty, public health, attitudes toward contraception, the age at which people start to have children, and many other elements.

I notice among my friends' grown children a tendency not to marry or have children of their own. I don't know whether this is anecdotal or a more widespread thing throughout the West and in countries like Japan.
 

Della said:
I would think over population should be the concern of every person who lives on this planet. In fact everyone discussing it on this thread seems concerned about it so I wonder why you singled out me to scold?
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Sorry...Don't know who you are....So we all have different concerns...
I really don't care everyone discussing the planet....If it goes next week
or when I die, and I will never know anyway....
I have more things to live at my age....It may be tomorrow....
I'm old.....I don't know who you are....And I don't like the word scold...
I didn't scold...I don't even know who you are....Good Buy!!!!!!!!!!
 
Answered this a few weeks ago on another thread. Wealth seekers work to steer the key conversation away from how overpopulation is increasingly destroying fragile planet ecosystems as population feeds corporate growth and development their wealth depends on. This person would like to see our world reduce its human population to below 1 or 2 billion and work to live sustainably, less materialistically, less militarily, in harmony.
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Insanity of dominant wealthy, wealth seekers, and their corporate world of myopic endless growth and development. Already way past a human population for sustainability and environmental health. Ultimate pyramid scheme of human doom.

https://overpopulation-project.com/...man-population-an-eminent-economist-weighs-in

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But not complete uncertainty! Within a range of plausible answers to these questions, Dasgupta delivers a range of optimal global populations between 0.5 and 5 billion. Like his earlier paper, this more rigorous effort suggests that humanity is already grossly overpopulated relative to global ecological carrying capacity and relative to the per capita consumption reductions that people are likely willing to undertake to remain within it. So does a revision of the earlier “Socially Embedded Preferences” paper, “Population Overshoot,” in the forthcoming Oxford Handbook of Population Ethics. This new effort defines per capita environmental impact in terms of average production, rather than average consumption, as in the earlier version. It sets an optimal sustainable global population at 1.8 billion people.


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JimBob1952 said:
I don't think there's any one explanation. It's a complex problem with factors including culture, religion, poverty, public health, attitudes toward contraception, the age at which people start to have children, and many other elements.

I notice among my friends' grown children a tendency not to marry or have children of their own. I don't know whether this is anecdotal or a more widespread thing throughout the West and in countries like Japan.
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There is a number that tends to have an inverse relationship to birth rates -- median IQ. Median IQ also has a rough correlation to income -- the higher the IQ and income, the fewer babies.

https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
 
JimBob1952 said:
I don't think there's any one explanation. It's a complex problem with factors including culture, religion, poverty, public health, attitudes toward contraception, the age at which people start to have children, and many other elements.

I notice among my friends' grown children a tendency not to marry or have children of their own. I don't know whether this is anecdotal or a more widespread thing throughout the West and in countries like Japan.
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You're right, There is something about industrialized, wealthy nations that causes birthrates to fall. My great grandmother, and my grandmother were twins, and each had about 10 kids a piece My mom had two, Me, nada, but my brother -3.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
You're right, There is something about industrialized, wealthy nations that causes birthrates to fall. My great grandmother, and my grandmother were twins, and each had about 10 kids a piece My mom had two, Me, nada, but my brother -3.
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My stepmother was born on an Oregon farm -- one of 16 kids! She had none. These days the limit seems to be two, if that.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Right. The sad phenomenon of people who should have children not doing so, while people who should not have children popping them out in droves.
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Very True! In today's economy most husbands and wives need to be working so as to maintain a decent lifestyle. They simply do Not have the ability to subsist nicely on one income....and if they have young children, the cost of daytime child care quickly eats up much of their income.

On the other hand, our social welfare programs seem to "encourage" excess births, so as to allow unmarried; women to get along better, while the "fathers" do little, or nothing to support their "spawn". Unfortunately, many of the children born under such circumstances have 2 strikes against them from day one....and wind up keeping our law enforcement agencies busy.
 
Don M. said:
Very True! In today's economy most husbands and wives need to be working so as to maintain a decent lifestyle. They simply do Not have the ability to subsist nicely on one income....and if they have young children, the cost of daytime child care quickly eats up much of their income.

On the other hand, our social welfare programs seem to "encourage" excess births, so as to allow unmarried; women to get along better, while the "fathers" do little, or nothing to support their "spawn". Unfortunately, many of the children born under such circumstances have 2 strikes against them from day one....and wind up keeping our law enforcement agencies busy.
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Good points. So what does the future hold? Is it the fate of the 1st world to be slowly engulfed by the third? Looks like it is already beginning. Japan has always been extremely insular. Immigration was unthinkable -- until the 1990's when it became clear that the country was dying. Foreign immigrants now number about 3 million, and growing. Complicated problem for Japan, and one that the rest of the developed world may soon begin to face.
 
ElCastor said:
... Foreign immigrants now number about 3 million, and growing. Complicated problem for Japan, and one that the rest of the developed world may soon begin to face.
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Only a problem for wealthy, wealth seekers, their corporate masters and others in their power structure who depend on endless short sighted growth and development...till the rest of us are living like sardines in a can on an environmentally destroyed fragile planet.
 
David777 said:
Only a problem for wealthy, wealth seekers, their corporate masters and others in their power structure who depend on endless short sighted growth and development...till the rest of us are living like sardines in a can on an environmentally destroyed fragile planet.
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So, you would have us return to the agrarian lifestyle of an 18th or 19th century America?
 
ElCastor said:
Good points. So what does the future hold? Is it the fate of the 1st world to be slowly engulfed by the third? Looks like it is already beginning. Japan has always been extremely insular. Immigration was unthinkable -- until the 1990's when it became clear that the country was dying. Foreign immigrants now number about 3 million, and growing. Complicated problem for Japan, and one that the rest of the developed world may soon begin to face.
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If I had a crystal ball, and could look centuries into the future, I think I would see a world where Caucasians were pretty much history. As Latino and African populations continue to explode, and huge numbers continue to migrate North, they will eventually become the majorities in the currently "developed" nations. We are already seeing that in our desert SW....especially California. I can also visualize a single "race" as interracial marriages become more of the norm.

Much of what the future will look like depends upon Climate Change and Overpopulation, IMO. When large regions become almost too hot to live in, and billions more people are added to the global population, humanity will reach a "tipping point" which will result in a conflict that makes WWII seem like a minor argument. The outcome of that confrontation....quite likely before this century is out....will determine the future of humanity.
 
The National News show us the press of our own population, the people stuck on the X-way in the Northeast.
Their are just too many people trying to travel.
The airlines cancellations, leaving people stranded.
We don't have to look to foreign nations to understand the population pressures, it's here.
 
Irwin said:
You don't even need to look at third world nations. Check out the homeless problem in the U.S. It's grown to epidemic proportions in many cities.
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yes I've seen many youtube vids on that subject...it's absolutely shocking.

We have a homeless population in the UK ..but not even a fraction of the scale of the USA....and all the more suprising because the US has vast amounts of land..not sure why it can't be built on to house people.. ( I know not all homes don't necessarily want to be housed)... but in the UK you will never see Tents on the pavement ( sidewalk).. it wouldn't be allowed...

Anyway I'm not picking on the US..it's just everywhere , which is getting more and more overcrowded...and of course it creates illness and poverty ..and early death everywhere
 
I'll probably come off as heartless, but we are losing the quality of humans as we increase the quantity of them. Modern medicine is saving people who are susceptible to health problems so they can breed and pass on whatever genes that make them that way. It’s the same with welfare programs for people who won’t make the effort to support themselves.
 

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