How long can the world sustain such huge population numbers ?

47% of the US is left to wildlife, and they probably don't even want it... no resources to live in those GREEN areas It's only getting worse.
So people pile into crowded cities, and live on the street instead.

The super rich are more interested in going to Mars and seeing if it's possible for life to exist there and on any other planet, but they have
-zero- interest in any development and using any resources to make land "livable" here.


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hollydolly said:
...but Covid isn't doing it, w're now too fast with medical technology for something that would have wiped out half the population a hundred years ago..even 50 years ago...
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With medical technology we are fighting "Mother Nature." I'm not sure if technology can cure all the world's ills. There is only so much land for food growing and only so much space for the human population. Technology is also used to invent greater and more deadly war machines which kill many innocent people. Of course, some say that we are going to populate the other planets and maybe the stars. Dream on! I'm not holding my breath on that plan.
 
Packerjohn said:
With medical technology we are fighting "Mother Nature." I'm not sure if technology can cure all the world's ills. There is only so much land for food growing and only so much space for the human population. Technology is also used to invent greater and more deadly war machines which kill many innocent people. Of course, some say that we are going to populate the other planets and maybe the stars. Dream on! I'm not holding my breath on that plan.
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Bonnie said:
47% of the US is left to wildlife, and they probably don't even want it... no resources to live in those GREEN areas It's only getting worse.
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Interesting maps, thanks.

Not sure what all is green, but I suspect a lot of those areas are BLM or National Forest lands. While there are is no permanent human population there, or not many anyway, those lands are heavily used by humans. Livestock grazing, hunting, fishing, oil and mineral development, and camping; and a few seasonal residences are found on most.

I also recognize some of the lands in the Morganza Floodway along the Atchafalaya River in Louisiana. A lot of these are privately owned and farmed, but the Corps of Engineers has easement restrictions on permanent structures to allow for occasional flooding. So people live in trailers that can be moved when the flood gates open. Apparently these people are not counted as permanent residents, although many live there 99% of the time.

A link to an updated version, includes Baja California https://tumblr.mapsbynik.com/post/82791188950/nobody-lives-here-the-nearly-5-million-census
 
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I almost forgot the solution: "Soylent Green" stars Charlton Heston before he started running around with apes.
Just think of the commercials 🤭 of who taste the best.
 
How long can the world sustain such huge population numbers ?

Relating resource consumption by the population of 7,953,952,577 I think in about 5 years or a little less the world won't sustain the population as it does now. No one is putting fossile fuels back into the ground, no one is putting the various minerals used in mabufacturing back. Soil erosion is reducing crop yield per acre.

Thinking about one industry, vehicle manufacturing, cars, trucks, farm equipment, construction equipment. The variety of resources used is staggering.

Sustaining life as we know it isn't limitless. Thankfully there is still enough sand to bury our heads in to avoid acknowledging what lies ahead in the not to distant future.
 
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hollydolly said:
yes I've seen many youtube vids on that subject...it's absolutely shocking.

We have a homeless population in the UK ..but not even a fraction of the scale of the USA....and all the more suprising because the US has vast amounts of land..not sure why it can't be built on to house people.. ( I know not all homes don't necessarily want to be housed)... but in the UK you will never see Tents on the pavement ( sidewalk).. it wouldn't be allowed...

Anyway I'm not picking on the US..it's just everywhere , which is getting more and more overcrowded...and of course it creates illness and poverty ..and early death everywhere
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Well, not quite everywhere.

"Italy is dying: Country’s birth rate drops to its lowest level in history
The shrinking population affects the 'very existence of our country,' President Sergio Mattarella warns."
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/i...th-rate-drops-to-its-lowest-level-in-history/

"Japan Shrinks by 500,000 People as Births Fall to Lowest Number Since 1874
A widening gap between births and deaths has put Japan in a demographic squeeze, with fewer people to replace retiring workers and support them as they age."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/24/world/asia/japan-birthrate-shrink.html

A better solution than open borders?
"Have four or more babies in Hungary and you’ll pay no income tax for life, prime minister says"
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/hav...ary-and-youll-pay-no-income-tax-for-life.html
 
ElCastor said:
Well, not quite everywhere.

"Italy is dying: Country’s birth rate drops to its lowest level in history
The shrinking population affects the 'very existence of our country,' President Sergio Mattarella warns."
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/i...th-rate-drops-to-its-lowest-level-in-history/

"Japan Shrinks by 500,000 People as Births Fall to Lowest Number Since 1874
A widening gap between births and deaths has put Japan in a demographic squeeze, with fewer people to replace retiring workers and support them as they age."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/24/world/asia/japan-birthrate-shrink.html

A better solution than open borders?
"Have four or more babies in Hungary and you’ll pay no income tax for life, prime minister says"
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/hav...ary-and-youll-pay-no-income-tax-for-life.html
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yes birth rates may be dying but it doesn't necessarily mean the population is lessening..due in part to immigration levels..
 
hollydolly said:
yes birth rates may be dying but it doesn't necessarily mean the population is lessening..due in part to immigration levels..
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Well, yes and no. In some cases a declining birth rate may not have an immediate effect due to a wave of women still of child bearing age -- a wave that was the product of a previous period in which birth rates were significantly higher. As for immigration, that is a choice that may have other significant, positive or negative effects beyond merely supplementing the population. Are you seeing anything like that in the UK?
 
ElCastor said:
Well, yes and no. In some cases a declining birth rate may not have an immediate effect due to a wave of women still of child bearing age -- a wave that was the product of a previous period in which birth rates were significantly higher. As for immigration, that is a choice that may have other significant, positive or negative effects beyond merely supplementing the population. Are you seeing anything like that in the UK?
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Oh yes very much, mainly a vast influx of illegal immigration.. and legal migrants, and it's the migrants who are having the most children...
 
hollydolly said:
yes I've seen many youtube vids on that subject...it's absolutely shocking.

We have a homeless population in the UK ..but not even a fraction of the scale of the USA....and all the more suprising because the US has vast amounts of land..not sure why it can't be built on to house people.. ( I know not all homes don't necessarily want to be housed)... but in the UK you will never see Tents on the pavement ( sidewalk).. it wouldn't be allowed...

Anyway I'm not picking on the US..it's just everywhere , which is getting more and more overcrowded...and of course it creates illness and poverty ..and early death everywhere
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Homelessness in the US is largely a function of substance abuse and/or psychiatric disorders. For some reason, many city and state governments encourage the homeless to live on the streets in the name of "freedom." (See: California). And by the way, on my last trip to the UK (2018), there were homeless people in tents on the sidewalk across from the rather posh hotel we occupied in London. A sporting goods store was encouraging homeless people to camp there, and they were all around the block.

https://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/addiction.pdf

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...x-link-between-homelessness-and-mental-health
 
hollydolly said:
The world population seems to be growing ever exponentially, without major wars.. and despite the recent pandemic...

For example look at the numbers in major cities alone.. not the countries as whole which would make them even larger but one city.. in each of the following countries...

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1.Tokyo, Japan​

Current population: 37,393,128 people

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2. Delhi, India​

Current population: 30,290,936 people

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Shanghai, China​

Current population: 27,058,480 people

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Sao Paulo, Brazil​

Current population: 22,043,028 people

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Mexico City, Mexico​

Current population: 21,782,378 people
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"Both the materialist universe, as the ultimate machine, mindless of life in the computational paradigm, and the theistic view of supplicant will, dominion over nature and destructive eschatology, both lead to a human-induced mass extinction of life, when the cosmology of the living universe is founded on symbiosis, not capitalistic dominance and competition, which are actually subcomponents of a predatory ecological strategy. These views are thus inconsistent with long term survival of our species in the closing circle of the living biosphere." Chris King, Pg. 22 of the monograph "The Symbiotic Cosmology of Perennial Conscious Existence"
Professor King is a Maths professor of University of Auckland retired after 40 years. He is a biocosmologist with a research background in quantum physics and neuroscience.
His monograph is essential in helping us to understand our roles as conscious living beings impacting the biodiversity of our existence and how it will impact the future of planetary and human life.
https://www.academia.edu/49317059/Symbiotic_Existential_Cosmology
 
Alligatorob said:
Great question! Your photos and statistics express the issue well.

The simple answer is not forever.

All it would take is some kind of breakdown in supply of food or safe drinking water to have huge and relatively rapid impacts. Disease could also do it. And of course war. Figuring out which of these, or something not on my list and when is the hard question.

Its equally hard to know what to do to prepare yourself and family for it. Mormons have an organized program of preparations, for example all good Mormons keep a 3 month to 2 year supply of food on hand (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/food-storage?lang=eng) and the Church has been buying up farm land for years. Here in Utah we see lots of the bulk storable food for sale. Some people hoard gold or guns. Me, I keep a good supply of whiskey so that when the end comes it won't be too painful...
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You would probably appreciate this monograph by Professor Chris King, retired Auckland University member. Please take time to peruse this paper. :) Your concerns are expanded on in this monograph.

https://www.academia.edu/49317059/Symbiotic_Existential_Cosmology
 
Bonnie said:
The super rich are more interested in going to Mars and seeing if it's possible for life to exist there and on any other planet, but they have
-zero- interest in any development and using any resources to make land "livable" here.
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This. They want consumers to fund their spaceships, political machinations, trips in yachts and private planes to Google Camp where they can make speeches about climate change.. No matter that it's the byproducts of industrialized consumerism rather than the numbers of actual people that is our primary problem and that!!! the most wealthy have zero interest in curtailing.
 
Patrick Gerland,1 *† Adrian E. Raftery,2 *† Hana Ševčíková,3 Nan Li,1 Danan Gu,1 Thomas Spoorenberg,1 Leontine Alkema,4 Bailey K. Fosdick,5 Jennifer Chunn,6 Nevena Lalic,7 Guiomar Bay,8 Thomas Buettner,9 ‡ Gerhard K. Heilig,9 ‡ John Wilmoth1

"The United Nations (UN) recently released population projections based on data until 2012 and a Bayesian probabilistic methodology. Analysis of these data reveals that, contrary to previous literature, the world population is unlikely to stop growing this century. There is an 80% probability that world population, now 7.2 billion people, will increase to between 9.6 billion and 12.3 billion in 2100. This uncertainty is much smaller than the range from the traditional UN high and low variants. Much of the increase is expected to happen in Africa, in part due to higher fertility rates and a recent slowdown in the pace of fertility decline. Also, the ratio of working-age people to older people is likely to decline substantially in all countries, even those that currently have young populations."

My friend Professor Chris King, biocosmologist with a background in quantum physics, chaos theory and neuroscience, has formed a Google group (Resplendence) that I am part of as the ethnographer. Here is something that I think some of you would like to read.
Prof King retired MATHS professor after 40 years and is a department member of Auckland University.

I will post more info as it comes that will be topic related. :)
 

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