Husband refuses to allow wife to travel abroad

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The Iranian team has arrived in Cortina to take part in the Alpine Skiing World Championships but without head coach Samira Zaragari. The reason: her husband has refused to give her prmission to leave the country. This isn't the first time this situation has occured. In 2015 the head coach of Iran's futsal team was not allowed to travel to the Asian championships when her husband refused to allow her to renew her passport.
 

It would be a cold day in hell when I would let anyone tell me what I could or could not do. Of course I was not raised in their culture but I have been told I have that "Rond" personality that is well known in our family. We do respect each others decisions even if we think they may be a little much!
 
When I worked at Heathrow Airport many years ago,
I saw a Middle Eastern family that had come to meet
an elderly gent who had arrived from Saudi Arabia,
when he came through the doors a young girl, maybe
11 years old who was waiting with her family, rushed
rushed forward, knelt down in front of him and started
kissing his feet!

I thought that that was wrong, maybe OK in their culture,
but it should be kept out of the public domain. I think.

Mike.
 
It wasn't much different in this country 100 years ago.

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Some degree of Sharia Law is widely practiced in many middle-eastern countries. Practices under Sharia Law do not favor women's activities in particular. Not being able to travel alone would be one of the milder demands. The way these laws are interpreted and applied by some can result in honour killings when women are perceived to have "stepped outside the laws" and brought shame on the family. Some even import this culture to other countries when they immigrate. There was a case prosecuted in Kingston, Ontario Canada (the Shafia family murders) where a father, mother and son locked 3 sisters and the father's ex-wife in a car and pushed it into a canal killing all 4 occupants. All due some perceived transgression that may have brought shame to the family name in the minds of the parents and brother.
Pretty hard for other cultures to wrap their heads around this kind of stuff but in some places, it's just the way it is and it's deep seeded in religion so it's not likely going to change.
 
This is their culture, not ours. It's what their women are used to and we must respect that. They have no right to impose their culture on us, just as we have no right to impose ours on them.
Let's not forget that it isn't so many generations since Western women were treated in exactly the same way.
 
Rosemarie said:
This is their culture, not ours. It's what their women are used to and we must respect that. They have no right to impose their culture on us, just as we have no right to impose ours on them.
Let's not forget that it isn't so many generations since Western women were treated in exactly the same way.
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I absolutely do not agree that we must respect their culture when it comes to the mistreatment (often physical abuse and even murder) of women. Wrong is wrong. And what we did or did not do 100 years ago is supremely irrelevant.
 
JimBob1952 said:
I absolutely do not agree that we must respect their culture when it comes to the mistreatment (often physical abuse and even murder) of women. Wrong is wrong. And what we did or did not do 100 years ago is supremely irrelevant.
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Unless you're willing to see our government try to impose our values on every country not following our social policies, "regardless" of anything else, I can't see how you're going yo be satisfied in your view of right and wrong, (and maybe one day have to accept others imposing their will and values on you perhaps).
 
grahamg said:
Unless you're willing to see our government try to impose our values on every country not following our social policies, "regardless" of anything else, I can't see how you're going yo be satisfied in your view of right and wrong, (and maybe one day have to accept others imposing their will and values on you perhaps).
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There's a difference between not respecting their values and enforcing our(?) values on them.
 
grahamg said:
Unless you're willing to see our government try to impose our values on every country not following our social policies, "regardless" of anything else, I can't see how you're going yo be satisfied in your view of right and wrong, (and maybe one day have to accept others imposing their will and values on you perhaps).
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Devi said:
There's a difference between not respecting their values and enforcing our(?) values on them.
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What people do in their own country is their own business, up to a point. For instance, there are international agreements forbidding human trafficking, genocide and other abuses.

Those of any faith living in Western democracies need to live by the laws and norms of those countries. Of course there are common sense guidelines. All should be free to worship as they see fit. But no one should be able to beat (or kill) his wife on the basis that his religion permits it (or commands it).
 
terry123 said:
It would be a cold day in hell when I would let anyone tell me what I could or could not do. Of course I was not raised in their culture but I have been told I have that "Rond" personality that is well known in our family. We do respect each others decisions even if we think they may be a little much!
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What is a "Rond" personality? (I tried googling it but only came up with a ballet leg position.)
 
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officerripley said:
What is a "Rond" personality? (I tried googling it but only came up with a ballet leg position.)
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Its not something you will find in a "google" search as it is confined to my family and those around us. Being strong people with strong opinions and don't mind expressing them if asked. Some people think we come off a little strong willed but we really don't care what they think. We live by a strong moral code. We don't openly criticize others unless asked for an opinion. Mainly in our family we are known as being "hard headed". Most of our children tend to be less "hard headed" but mine are like me.

We live and let live. But if asked we will let you know what we think in strong words. We do not hurt people on purpose but will let the chips fall where they may. We defend our friends and family to the end. So most people know where we stand without asking.
 
terry123 said:
Its not something you will find in a "google" search as it is confined to my family and those around us. Being strong people with strong opinions and don't mind expressing them if asked. Some people think we come off a little strong willed but we really don't care what they think. We live by a strong moral code. We don't openly criticize others unless asked for an opinion. Mainly in our family we are known as being "hard headed". Most of our children tend to be less "hard headed" but mine are like me.
We live and let live. But if asked we will let you know what we think in strong words. We do not hurt people on purpose but will let the chips fall where they may. We defend our friends and family to the end. So most people know where we stand without asking.
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Remind me not to cross you and yours! :)
 

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