I Am A Secular Humanist Might You Be?

Lon

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Humanism is a progressive lifestance that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity." - American Humanist Association


I came out of the CLOSET (religious closet) when I retired and became a Secular Humanist
 

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A worthy aspiration.

Just a couple of question?
What is the yardstick against which you measure your achievement of ethical personal fulfilment?
How do you deal with personal moral/ethical failures ?
 
I once got conjunctivitis, infection of eyelids, both eyes, extremely uncomfortable, painful, and had trouble seeing properly. I had been exposed at work to a cloud of felt fibers in the air (we made tennisballs), and thought that might have caused it.

Went to a Doctor, he was Jewish (important fact to the story). I asked him if the infection might have been caused by the felt fibers (hence, making it an occupational injury). He replied, "No one can say what caused it. If I said so, I could be called Jesus Christ!"

I think the Doctor was being honest, and leading an ethical life of personal fulfillment, as Lon suggested. imp
 

A worthy aspiration.

Just a couple of question?
What is the yardstick against which you measure your achievement of ethical personal fulfilment?
How do you deal with personal moral/ethical failures ?

To Thine own self be true---I make no attempt to measure or judge personal or ethical fulfilment.

I have not had to deal with personal moral/ethical failures.
 
To Thine own self be true---I make no attempt to measure or judge personal or ethical fulfilment.

I have not had to deal with personal moral/ethical failures.

Lucky you. My feet are made of clay and I have let my own personal standards down on several occasions, resulting in feelings of guilt and low self worth. It's sometimes hard to accept personal fallibility.
 
To Thine own self be true-

Even though I've heard this phrase throughout my life, I've not known the meaning, until "googling it" in connection with this thread. One search result(link) states that:
"To thine own self be true," says Polonius in Hamlet.

So what does it mean, and what's the problem?
It's a way of saying that nothing at all matters more to how we should act than our own esteem. It says that we should stick to our principles, not assimilate, and that we should do what we believe. It is certainly beautifully phrased, and invokes ideas with positive connotations: truth, self-ownership, individuality.
But, are these virtues really hiding a fundamental vice?
They are. The phrase echoes something which I have heard subscribers to a particular brand of therapy repeat as a sort of mantra: "I just really need to focus on me right now."
In fact, the phrase appeals to our complacency, not to our resilience.
Its function is to swell our laziness, not to stoke our resolve.
It's use is to excuse our disagreements with society, not to force us to reconcile them with fact.
We are all victims, suffering in vain, alone in our wisdom, against an unfair society that condemns iconoclasts.
"How do I square the circle of perceived condemnation? How do I ignore the majority opinion telling me I must do something, or be something which isn't expedient for me?" "It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, or what I know is good. This is who I am, and I'm just being true to myself."
It's a universal excuse, a get out of jail free card from the prison of having to consider and acknowledge your own failings and biases and whims. I don't have to conform to the world; it has to conform to me.
Of course, there always are some lone victims who are genuinely iconoclastic and genuinely oppressed, and it is they who progress our society forward. But it is not they who cling to "to thine own self be true". They don't need an excuse to do nothing, because they are too busy finding an excuse to do something.


Does any of the foregoing represent the meaning of your
To Thine own self be true-
proclamation? I've had some spectacular failures and self-induced disasters in my life, I took the hits and took responsibility, and learned to "not do that $he!t again". However, I do believe in the adage:
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger
 
I have always taken that passage from Hamlet to be self evident

This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

To me it means don't lie to yourself, face the truth even when it is uncomfortable, and only then will you be able to be straight with others.
 
How would you feel about Humanists creating their own secular festivals and gatherings?


I came upon this article accidentally and it is a long and fairly difficult read but this section right at the end might be worth some comments.

Knowing how I feel, my wife gave me Dawkins’s The God Delusion for Christmas when it came out in 2006, but it soon found its way to the bedside table where it languishes still (like a hotel-room Gideon’s Bible?). A marker indicates that I got as far as page seventy-eight.

I have not felt the urge to attend the Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols for Godless People, a Christmas-time theatrical event hosted by the comedian Robin Ince, and organized by New Humanist magazine. Nor the Sunday Assembly, ‘a godless congregation that celebrates life’, a strange initiative apparently desperate to keep all the non-liturgical bits of church services – the getting together, enjoying a singalong, hearing some words to make you think, everything, in fact, except actual belief in a god.

The Sunday Assembly’s slogan is warm and vague: ‘live better, help often, wonder more’. Of course, it sounds a bit religious. But the sentiments are secular, too. Who does not want to live better? And why should the religious have the monopoly when it comes to being charitable (a monopoly some believers are keen to retain, to judge by recent reports of atheists being barred from helping in food banks)? What about ‘wonder more’? What is wonder? Is it admiration of the intricacy and complexity of nature, and the potential for it to be understood; or is it throwing in the towel, admitting there are things that cannot be understood at which we can only wonder? What bothers me most, though, is the air of superiority hanging about the slogan. I can imagine that people who self-consciously go around living better, helping often and wondering more might be just as self-righteous as the worst sort of Christian moralist.

The writer is an Englishman, an atheist and an academic writer.

Excerpted from “In Search of Sir Thomas Browne: The Life and Afterlife of the 17th Century’s Most Inquiring Mind” by Hugh Aldersey-Williams. Published by W.W. Norton & Co. Copyright © 2015 by Hugh Aldersey-Williams. Reprinted with permission of the publisher. All rights reserved.

Hugh Aldersey-Williams is the author of "Anatomies," "Periodic Tales" and "The Most Beautiful Molecule," which was a finalist for the Los Angeles Times Book Prize. He lives in Norfolk, England.

The full excerpt can be read here: http://www.salon.com/2015/08/15/ric...hteousness_and_militant_belief_and_disbelief/
 
A fellow volunteer in Uganda was a humanist. She went to meetings and goes to them back home in England as well. I'm fine with what anyone believes. But for me, I'm unlabeled. I'm interested in different beliefs, mostly in Buddhism and Paganism which are very different. So I don't label myself anything. I'm open.
 
I am a Christian. I find peace through meditation and prayer. If I make a mistake, I learn from it and move on. At one time (early in my career), I would beat myself up over making an error, like when I would be in the simulator and forget to do something simple. (Just nerves, I guess.) I asked the psychologist why I do that. She said because I care a lot about my work. After I thought about what she had said, I agreed.
 
A fellow volunteer in Uganda was a humanist. She went to meetings and goes to them back home in England as well. I'm fine with what anyone believes. But for me, I'm unlabeled. I'm interested in different beliefs, mostly in Buddhism and Paganism which are very different. So I don't label myself anything. I'm open.

I may have the wrong idea, but from all of your posts that I have read, I do not see you as being a Pagan. Just saying.
 
I may have the wrong idea, but from all of your posts that I have read, I do not see you as being a Pagan. Just saying.

How would one determine my religion or lack of from what I post?

I didn't say I was a pagan, I said I'm interested in it. During most of the 90's I considered myself pagan, but not any more.
 
"How would one determine my religion or lack of from what I post?"

Because I made a mistake. I learned from it and now I will move on. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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Ameriscot, pretty much agree with a touch of Buddhism, a touch of Paganism. But primarily I describe myself as a Philosophical Taoist.

I believe it was TnThomas who mentioned an old saying, one that I've used as a "mantra" many times over the year ... changed a bit to suit circumstances: "if it isn't going to kill my me or my children, I'm not going to worry myself to death about it".

And Lon ... "
I have not had to deal with personal moral/ethical failures." what a saintly life you've led!
 
I lost a reply.

Ameriscot, pretty much agree with a touch of Buddhism, a touch of Paganism. But primarily I describe myself as a Philosophical Taoist.

I believe it was TnThomas who mentioned an old saying, one that I've used as a "mantra" many times over the year ... changed a bit to suit circumstances: "if it isn't going to kill my me or my children, I'm not going to worry myself to death about it".

And Lon ... "
I have not had to deal with personal moral/ethical failures." what a saintly life you've led!

Yes Rocky... Lon has certainly let all of us know how perfect he is... We all strive to be more like him... sadly... we fail. But it's always good to have a shining example of the goal we should hold.
 


I believe it was TnThomas who mentioned an old saying, one that I've used as a "mantra" many times over the year ... changed a bit to suit circumstances: "if it isn't going to kill my me or my children, I'm not going to worry myself to death about it".

And Lon ... "
I have not had to deal with personal moral/ethical failures." what a saintly life you've led!
A variation of your mantra has brought me through life also. "What is the worse that can happen....cannot kill my children, take the roof over their heads...Like labor it can not last forever. This too shall pass."
 
Dame asked: "How would you feel about Humanists creating their own secular festivals and gatherings?"

I am going to attend a picnic today arranged by The Central Valley Humanists. Probably be about 200 folks.
 
Although Humanism is not a religion it is practiced in many different ways by individuals and groups just as traditional religions are.
 


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