I am an Atheist and always have been.

I've never understood your belief(s):

"I am also age 90 and used to listen to Jimmy Swaggart on TV on Sundays. I hope I will meet him in Heaven when Jesus comes for me!"
[posted 07/02/25]

"I like to listen to music about our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I listen to hundreds of these songs . . . " [posted 04/15/25]

"My only consolation is the knowledge all pain and impairment will disappear as Jesus calls me Home." [posted 07/12/24]

"I also listen to a lot of Christian music to remind me that Christ takes us all in the end."
[posted 06/03/23]
I listened to Jimmy Swaggart too. Listened to all of them. Rich Warren. Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and this list goes on. All crushed under their own sin.
They had the media and they had the voice. Never the less, they are gone. They provided nothing of substance. They worked the system. Made lots of money and then lost it. You want to know God...........doesn't require a donations. Doesn't mean you need somebody to explain to you. You just close your eyes and speak to him in a manner that conveys that you are speaking to a king. Speak to him with respect and then just wait.
 
did you ever see the dvd of the guy in usa who went mountain climbing with his mate one day [both experienced] got separated ; he'd forgotten to bring a viral tool ; exhausted and about to lie down and die when he claims he saw old JC coming to him and telling him " No sorry not time for you to come through yet go back to your earthly home" ore words to that effect. It's here on the site somewhere I posted it maybe a year or two ago - so so authentic sounding too!!
 
did you ever see the dvd of the guy in usa who went mountain climbing with his mate one day [both experienced] got separated ; he'd forgotten to bring a viral tool ; exhausted and about to lie down and die when he claims he saw old JC coming to him and telling him " No sorry not time for you to come through yet go back to your earthly home" ore words to that effect. It's here on the site somewhere I posted it maybe a year or two ago - so so authentic sounding too!!
No offense to you but, did you ever see someone crying for their mother when they had mortal wounds. Did you ever see the 100 mile stare in mens eyes returning from Vietnam. Did you ever see, with your own eyes, what you are talking about. Again, no offense intended. We exist in different worlds. Climbing a mountain and fighting for your country are two different things to me. Again no offense intended. The Lord works in mysteries ways. All valid, all real. All important, but different.
No I never saw that DVD. I will look for it and watch it however.
 
I listened to Jimmy Swaggart too. Listened to all of them. Rich Warren. Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and this list goes on. All crushed under their own sin.
They had the media and they had the voice. Never the less, they are gone. They provided nothing of substance. They worked the system. Made lots of money and then lost it. You want to know God...........doesn't require a donations. Doesn't mean you need somebody to explain to you. You just close your eyes and speak to him in a manner that conveys that you are speaking to a king. Speak to him with respect and then just wait.
I think there is no more to say here. God is real, God is out there. Call to him with an Ernest desire to really reach him or call out with curiosity to see if what I say is correct or true. Call out with your doubt.
If you call out with no intent, no real interest, just looking for some titilation of your senses then don't bother. God knows you, (his creation) whether you know him or not. You are either genuine in your effort or you are not. Enough said.
 
Religion is suppressed in China because the regime fears it. If members of any religion start to make noise and begin to demonstrate, they are likely to end up in a gulag. That is what happened to members of Falon Gong when they organised some sort of rally, taking the authorities by surprise.

I visited China on a tour in 2019 and in one city we were given free time to wander about the shopping district. It was Easter time and we saw a church with an open door. People were streaming out and we approached to ask whether we could come inside and look around. The people were rather horrified and told us we must go, so we did. It was only later that I realised that our presence inside their church could cause major problems for them.
 
@Messy, that footage reminded me of the early Christians in Rome who met in the catacombs to worship. The Roman authorities wanted to suppress the spread of Christianity using very cruel methods. New converts had to wait three years before entering the catacombs, during which time they learnt the catechism by heart. Then, when a bishop was available they were baptised, confirmed and received communion for the first time. Secrecy was vital for the safety of everyone. The sign of the fish, not the cross, was one way that Christians identified each other in those dangerous days.
 
There is so much that is overwhelming in this topic. Too much in fact. We all come from different places. We all come from the way we grew up, the things that we were taught and the people we met along the way.
The relationships we formed and the people that mean the most us. They could be family and they could be the people that you met along your own life's journey. My problem is that God gave me an exterior family that fulfilled my needs and gave me a home. They gave me what I needed to find peace. They gave me love and they accepted me as their own.
For that I have no words. At 78 I look back and realize that it was God who looked over me. Even when I didn't know him....he knew me. I could never, even utter a thought that God does not exist.
There is no more to say in this topic. I wish there was another avenue to discuss thoughts and beliefs but I can't think of any. Any ideas?
 
There is so much that is overwhelming in this topic. Too much in fact. We all come from different places. We all come from the way we grew up, the things that we were taught and the people we met along the way.
The relationships we formed and the people that mean the most us. They could be family and they could be the people that you met along your own life's journey. My problem is that God gave me an exterior family that fulfilled my needs and gave me a home. They gave me what I needed to find peace. They gave me love and they accepted me as their own.
For that I have no words. At 78 I look back and realize that it was God who looked over me. Even when I didn't know him....he knew me. I could never, even utter a thought that God does not exist.
There is no more to say in this topic. I wish there was another avenue to discuss thoughts and beliefs but I can't think of any. Any ideas?

Oh, but this is the crux of it for me. If you're born in the US, then you are almost 70% more likely to be Christian. If you were born in Iran, you almost 80% more likely to be Hindu.

Meaning - we are the result of our upbringing, and our environment. This alone brings into question the veracity of our beliefs, imo. Few truly examine what part of their faith is indoctrination due to our environment. How many Christians do you know that have read the Quran? Have studied it as they have their Bible? Let alone the other religions.

Yet many are convinced they have the one true religion.
 
I think there is no more to say here. God is real, God is out there. Call to him with an Ernest desire to really reach him or call out with curiosity to see if what I say is correct or true. Call out with your doubt.
If you call out with no intent, no real interest, just looking for some titilation of your senses then don't bother. God knows you, (his creation) whether you know him or not. You are either genuine in your effort or you are not. Enough said.
That is your belief and opinion, and I have no issues with it, but respectfully that doesn't mean it is the ultimate last word and there is nothing more to say about it. My mother was a devout Baptist, and it got her through her final days, so who am I to begrudge someone their beliefs? Just don't tell the rest of us that yours is the only correct interpretation.
 
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There is no more to say in this topic. I wish there was another avenue to discuss thoughts and beliefs but I can't think of any. Any ideas?
Nonbelievers have asserted that our oceans and extreme climate indicate that earth was not intelligently designed for man. The atheist's view.

But earth-sized planets need at least 20%-50% of the volume of water in Earth's oceans to support life according to the University of Washington.
The believer's view.
Planets need more water to support life than scientists previously thought

I don't think either view holds much water, pun intended.
 
Nonbelievers have asserted that our oceans and extreme climate indicate that earth was not intelligently designed for man. The atheist's view.

But earth-sized planets need at least 20%-50% of the volume of water in Earth's oceans to support life according to the University of Washington.
The believer's view.
Planets need more water to support life than scientists previously thought

I don't think either view holds much water, pun intended.

Why not?

Chance is chance. And, of course, those who fit the profile will be the survivors to answer the question.
 
No offense to you but, did you ever see someone crying for their mother when they had mortal wounds. Did you ever see the 100 mile stare in mens eyes returning from Vietnam. Did you ever see, with your own eyes, what you are talking about. Again, no offense intended. We exist in different worlds. Climbing a mountain and fighting for your country are two different things to me. Again no offense intended. The Lord works in mysteries ways. All valid, all real. All important, but different.
No I never saw that DVD. I will look for it and watch it however.
I hope you do - will of course be interested in your response!!
 
Oh, but this is the crux of it for me. If you're born in the US, then you are almost 70% more likely to be Christian. If you were born in Iran, (India?) you almost 80% more likely to be Hindu.

Meaning - we are the result of our upbringing, and our environment. This alone brings into question the veracity of our beliefs, imo. Few truly examine what part of their faith is indoctrination due to our environment. How many Christians do you know that have read the Quran? Have studied it as they have their Bible? Let alone the other religions.

Yet many are convinced they have the one true religion.
I made it my business when I was a Sunday School teacher of three very intelligent boys to learn as much as I could about Islam. When I asked them at the beginning of the calendar year what they would like to learn they said "other religions".

So, I began the year with the three Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and finally Islam.

The first topic included slavery in Egypt and the laws that covered just about every aspect of Jewish life. We visited the Great Synagogue in Sydney and listened to a speaker explaining elements of Judaism. The architecture of the Great Synagogue is derived from England, not the Middle East, and there appeared to be a very small choir loft at the front of the synagogue. One of the boys asked about the instruments that were played and was surprised to learn that there are none. Singers are unaccompanied because of strict rules about not working on the Sabbath. Playing an instrument is considered labour. They learnt about the scrolls made of silk on which the Torah is inscribed and the many laws that every Jew must do their best to remeber and follow.

For the Christianity section we studied Paul's story of his conversion on the road to Damascus and his journeys around and across the Mediterranean. To minister to Gentiles Paul needed to adapt to their ways to a degree, including eating foods that would have affronted observant Jews. This time the excursion was to a Chinese restaurant after church for yum cha. This was to drive home the point how difficult it can be to adapt to very difficult cultures, with different ideas about what is religiously acceptable or otherwise taboo. The first dish to appear was chicken feet and the boys tucked in enthusiastically, so perhaps not as difficult as we might imagine.

I also took them down to the local police station to see the lock up area. It was not a pleasant place to be confined in. It was cold, bleak and stank of urine. Paul was imprisoned more than once by the Romans but was not deterred from his missionary work. Even when given the chance to walk free after an earthquake rattled the gaol door open, he did not. He stayed, and his gaoler was so impressed (and relieved) that he became a Christian on the spot.

For Islam I looked for teaching material prepared for children in Islamic schools. I did not trust sites where Islam was interpreted by outsiders. We learnt about the life of the Prophet and his revelations that were written down by scribes, since he was illiterate. The lessons covered religious obligations such as praying 5 times a day and the ritual associated with this. As with Judaism, foods are either halal (allowed) or haram (forbidden). Cultural differences such polygamy and harsh physical punishments for stealing or blasphemy were covered briefly.

Overall, we looked for similarities more than we focussed on differences.
 
Oh, but this is the crux of it for me. If you're born in the US, then you are almost 70% more likely to be Christian. If you were born in Iran, you almost 80% more likely to be Hindu.

Meaning - we are the result of our upbringing, and our environment. This alone brings into question the veracity of our beliefs, imo. Few truly examine what part of their faith is indoctrination due to our environment. How many Christians do you know that have read the Quran? Have studied it as they have their Bible? Let alone the other religions.

Yet many are convinced they have the one true religion.
That is true. Any kid simply believes what you tell them and kids believe anything. Dutch kids believe in Saint Nick and American kids in Santa.

But why does not everyone at the age of 8 or 9 say God is nonsense? When I was 6 the Mrs in school talked about God. I just believed her. When I was 8 I was making mocking drawings and said it was nonsense. My dad believed until he was 9.

My kids still believe, because it's not only based on what I told them, but they have seen it for themselves. They have seen people healed in church. They have encountered God.

In muslim countries, where they heard only Islam as a kid, they get visions of Jesus. In Gaza 200 at the same time.

200 Muslims in Gaza Reportedly Accept Christ after Seeing Him in 'Visions and Dreams'
 
Yet many are convinced they have the one true religion.
And, in my view, this is the root of much of the world’s unrest. Not all of it, of course, even a nation with a 70% Christian population, like the United States, finds itself in turmoil these days. Humanity seems innately tribal, and history offers little evidence that disparate tribes coexist peacefully for long. One would think that, by now, we’d have grown wiser, that we’d have devised some durable way to live alongside one another without friction. Yet the evidence suggests we are still struggling mightily to rise above our oldest instincts.
It's past time for a visit from Klaatu and Gort.
 
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And, in my view, this is the root of much of the world’s unrest. Not all of it, of course — even a nation with a 70% Christian population, like the United States, finds itself in turmoil these days. Humanity seems innately tribal, and history offers little evidence that disparate tribes coexist peacefully for long. One would think that, by now, we’d have grown wiser, that we’d have devised some durable way to live alongside one another without friction. Yet the evidence suggests we are still struggling mightily to rise above our oldest instincts.
It's passed time for a visit from Klaatu and Gort.
Science has all the answers. (irony)
We're doomed.
 
I'm an atheist, but I like the current Pope. He's actually speaking out against the war with Iran and condemning leaders who wage war -- especially war waged in the name of god. War should only be a last resort.
I saw his speech online. JD Vance responded by saying the pope should “be careful” when talking about matters of theology, especially when commenting on war and peace. I’m an atheist myself, but if I were to take a side in a theological debate, I suspect I’d be more inclined to agree with the pope.
 
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