I am exasperated with my Country

Bretrick

Bretrick

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Perth Western Australia
Australia accepts 160,000 migrants year.
Of these, 109,900 will be skilled migrants, 50,000 families and 100 special eligibility places.
This figure is set to rise to 235,000 migrants by 2025.
My chagrin comes from the fact that Australia is seeing a huge rise in homelessness.
Families are being thrown out of rentals so greedy landlords can exploit the shortage by having exorbitant rents.
Every one of the migrants will be housed. How?
There are not enough places now, how is it possible that all these immigrants will have somewhere to live?
 

Bretrick said:
Australia accepts 160,000 migrants year.
Of these, 109,900 will be skilled migrants, 50,000 families and 100 special eligibility places.
This figure is set to rise to 235,000 migrants by 2025.
My chagrin comes from the fact that Australia is seeing a huge rise in homelessness.
Families are being thrown out of rentals so greedy landlords can exploit the shortage by having exorbitant rents.
Every one of the migrants will be housed. How?
There are not enough places now, how is it possible that all these immigrants will have somewhere to live?
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You think you have problems. The U.S. is allowing about 2,000,000 illegals a year to walk across our border.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...s-another-record-surges-migration-n-rcna34030
 
Exactly the same is happening here.. except we also have the added problem with illegal migrants arriving by boat from Europe..

More than 20,000 people have crossed the English Channel in small boats this year, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.
On Saturday 607 made the crossing in 14 boats - the third time the total has exceeded 600 in 2022.
There were 28,526 crossings detected in 2021. By this point last year, just over 11,300 crossings had been made.
In April, the government announced plans to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda in a bid to deter migrants.
Earlier this year, 47 people were told they would be flown the 4,000 miles (6,500km) to Rwanda and a flight was booked for 14 June.
However, after a series of legal challenges and a ruling from the European Court of Human Rights, the flight was cancelled.
Last month, a Home Affairs Committee report found the Rwanda scheme had not been effective.
"There is no clear evidence that the policy will deter migrant crossings - numbers have significantly increased since it was announced in April," the report said.

We're a tiny Island with close to 70 million people ... there's no affordable properties available for indigenous people , yet the govt doesn't send these illegal immigrants back.. instead they are housed.. and it has to be said.. the crime rate has shot through the roof in many parts of the UK, and housing has become extremely expensive and scarce.. and the above figures are for illegal migrants.. not taking account of Legal ones and returning ex-pats In June 2021 alone.. (896,000) Indians arrived in the UK. and (696,000) Polish immigrants arrived... how on earth we can sustain these huge numbers?.... we can't, we'll end up with no countryside, and cities that resemble Hong Kong..
 
hollydolly said:
Exactly the same is happening here.. except we also have the added problem with illegal migrants arriving by boat from Europe..

More than 20,000 people have crossed the English Channel in small boats this year, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.
On Saturday 607 made the crossing in 14 boats - the third time the total has exceeded 600 in 2022.
There were 28,526 crossings detected in 2021. By this point last year, just over 11,300 crossings had been made.
In April, the government announced plans to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda in a bid to deter migrants.
Earlier this year, 47 people were told they would be flown the 4,000 miles (6,500km) to Rwanda and a flight was booked for 14 June.
However, after a series of legal challenges and a ruling from the European Court of Human Rights, the flight was cancelled.
Last month, a Home Affairs Committee report found the Rwanda scheme had not been effective.
"There is no clear evidence that the policy will deter migrant crossings - numbers have significantly increased since it was announced in April," the report said.

We're a tiny Island with close to 70 million people ... there's no affordable properties available for indigenous people , yet the govt doesn't send these illegal immigrants back.. instead they are housed.. and it has to be said.. the crime rate has shot through the roof in many parts of the UK, and housing has become extremely expensive and scarce.. and the above figures are for illegal migrants.. not taking account of Legal ones and returning ex-pats In June 2021 alone.. (896,000) Indians arrived in the UK. and (696,000) Polish immigrants arrived... how on earth we can sustain these huge numbers?.... we can't, we'll end up with no countryside, and cities that resemble Hong Kong..
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One has to wonder where it will all end. Immigrants/illegals having more rights than locals. So glad I will be no more in about 20 years.
 
People are starving, or have no shelter in the places they are coming from. The homeless problem is infecting most of our cities now. This problem is due in large part because big $$$$$ runs the whole world's economic system. If you want to fix this you will have to put lawmakers in your government that make laws based on human well being rather than the candidates who promote more manipulation of the $$$$$$.
 
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I really don't see the difference if a person was born in a nation, or moved to it. Neither way determines if a person will be a productive citizen. And I don't see any difference in "immigrant poor", or "homegrown poor". And considering the vast majority of people have a history of immigration, "locals" are the "current occupants" of a piece of land. Plus immigration improves the economic life of the host nation.
 
The United States allows 675,000 legal immigrants each year and twice that many illegal immigrants to walk across the southern border. This in a country where the federal government just ended the free school lunch program for all school children, and many existing citizens experience homelessness and poor medical care. Even citizens with jobs, money and homes experience poor medical care under today’s chaotic system. I think we should clean up our act and get a more orderly method of caring for existing citizens before we allow any more illegal immigrants.
 
Bretrick said:
One has to wonder where it will all end.
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It won't, not so long as humans inhabit the planet. As a species we are mobile, its been happening since we evolved from apes. You and I both live in countries that are made up primarily of people who arrived here from other continents in the last few hundred years.

Off the top of my head the major immigration waves that have impacted the UK include:
  • Cro-Magnons who displaced the Neanderthals ~50,000 years ago
  • Celts ~3,000 years ago
  • Romans ~2,000 years ago
  • Angles and Saxons ~1,500 years ago
  • Vikings ~1,100 years ago
  • Normans ~900 years ago
I am sure I missed a lot... probably got a few dates wrong too.

Not a good reason not to try and manage it, just reality.
 
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I find it particularly disturbing that while our "almost 40,000 homeless Veterans are without shelter in the US on any given night...with PTSD, social isolation, unemployment, and substance abuse and accounting for 11% of homeless adults in the US.Mar 5, 2022"
...the hundreds of thousands of migrants pouring over our border, including those with criminal records, are given free benefits of outrageous proportions like free stays in an iconic luxury NYC Hotel in Time Square called The Row. And free bus rides to get there from Texas. Everyone else pays $700 a night to stay at the same hotel.

https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/homeless-veterans-statistics/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-NYC-hotel-Row-thousands-migrants-housed.html
Migrants arriving in New York City from the border will be housed temporarily in this luxury Manhattan hotel - the $700-a-night The Row in the tourist hotspot of Times Square, but they'll be assigned to ring-fenced floors and will be told to use a separate entrance to the tourists being charged top dollar to stay there

Migrants arriving in New York City from the border will be housed temporarily in this luxury Manhattan hotel - the $700-a-night The Row in the tourist hotspot of Times Square, but they'll be assigned to ring-fenced floors and will be told to use a private entrance
 
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With all the immigrants from Mexico and Central America, the U.S. is becoming another Latin-American country. Add to that the greater birthrate by those of Hispanic heritage.

We do need workers, and immigrants can fill many of those jobs, so that's a benefit. But it is kind of annoying when you can't understand what they're saying because they don't speak English very well.
 
Lara said:
I find it particularly disturbing that while our "almost 40,000 homeless Veterans are without shelter in the US on any given night...with PTSD, social isolation, unemployment, and substance abuse...accounting for 11% of homeless adults in the US.Mar 5, 2022"...the hundreds of thousands of migrants pouring over our border, including those with criminal records, are given free benefits of outrageous proportions like free stays in an iconic luxury NYC Hotel in Time Square called The Row. And free bus rides to get there from Texas

https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/homeless-veterans-statistics/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-NYC-hotel-Row-thousands-migrants-housed.html
Migrants arriving in New York City from the border will be housed temporarily in this luxury Manhattan hotel - the $700-a-night The Row in the tourist hotspot of Times Square, but they'll be assigned to ring-fenced floors and will be told to use a separate entrance to the tourists being charged top dollar to stay there'll be assigned to ring-fenced floors and will be told to use a separate entrance to the tourists being charged top dollar to stay there

Migrants arriving in New York City from the border will be housed temporarily in this luxury Manhattan hotel - the $700-a-night The Row in the tourist hotspot of Times Square, but they'll be assigned to ring-fenced floors and will be told to use a private entrance
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I'll bet that pic is not Trump Towers.
 
SeniorBen said:
With all the immigrants from Mexico and Central America, the U.S. is becoming another Latin-American country. Add to that the greater birthrate by those of Hispanic heritage.
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Could happen, but we need to remember than a big part of our country was once a part of Mexico, a "Latin-American" country. And if you count French as Latin, which many do, so was the Louisiana Purchase.

Not saying I want to go back, just that things have always been fluid.
 
If present trends continue, Spanish will be the primary language in our SW states, Latino's are already the largest demographic in California, and the same will be true in the rest of our SW states in another couple of decades....if not sooner. The crime and horrific living conditions in many of the South and Central American nations is driving huge numbers of those people North each year. The vast majority of those arriving here are looking for a better life, and taking the jobs our own people refuse to do. However, along with the responsible immigrants, a lot of criminals and drug cartel members slip through also.

The government attempts to stem this flow have been useless. A huge border wall stretching from the Gulf to the Pacific, and an army of soldiers patrolling 24/7 to find any who manage to circumvent the wall might be the only way to slow this migration down....Very unlikely to ever happen.

This is a global phenomenon, and is happening all around the globe, as those seeking a better life are "invading" the more prosperous nations. Ultimately, this will only increase the divide between the "haves, and the "have nots", and eventually lead to a huge civil war that will substantially thin the global populations....probably not much longer than the end of this century.

Between illegal immigration, Overpopulation, and Climate Change, the world we know today, will be completely different in the next century.
 
Nathan said:
Where does the "2,000,000 illegals" figure come from?
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According to the Washington Post, Customs and Border Patrol is apprehending 200,000 illegals per month putting it on tract to apprehend over 2,000,000 this year. And for everyone apprehended there are probably 2 more who don't get apprehended.
 
Contrary to what it says on The Statue of Liberty, diversity and immigration have never been our strong suit as a nation.

Each wave of immigrants over the years has been vilified by the previous waves.

“The Naturalization Act of 1790 allows any free white person of “good character,” who has been living in the United States for two years or longer to apply for citizenship. Without citizenship, nonwhite residents are denied basic constitutional protections, including the right to vote, own property, or testify in court.”

https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/immigration/u-s-immigration-before-1965
 
Alligatorob said:
Could happen, but we need to remember than a big part of our country was once a part of Mexico, a "Latin-American" country. And if you count French as Latin, which many do, so was the Louisiana Purchase.

Not saying I want to go back, just that things have always been fluid.
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I've always thought that Latino and Hispanic were the same thing. After reading your post and doing a bit of research (I Googled it), turns out, I was wrong.

We call most of the Americans south of our southern borders Latin American countries. While true, they could also accurately be called Hispanic American.

The problem is, the most prosperous countries in the Americas are those without Hispanic majorities. The reasons for that are varied.
  • Hispanics tend to be more religious than non-Hispanics, which handicaps their cultures.
  • The U.S. has intervened in the governments of several Central American (Hispanic) Countries, deposing democratically elected leaders who had ties to communism, mainly because those leaders didn't cow-tow to corporate American interests (see United Fruit Co. and others). We replaced those leaders with corrupt dictators who did what corporations asked them to do. Our interventions caused great damage to the economies of those countries and the chickens are coming home to roost, so to speak, with all the immigrants coming to the U.S.
I don't know if there's something inherent in Spanish cultures that inhibits modernization. Probably not. Spain is fairly modern, although they did have a dictator until the late '70s. Portugal is more modern as is the Basque region of Spain, which seeks independence.
 

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