I am not responsible !

I remember the comments of a serving police officer I used to play sport alongside in the UK, who told me that anyone arriving at court should plead "not guilty" because in his view the courts were as likely as not to believe them, even when the evidence was overwhelming!
(whether this was always the case, or due to him feeling jaundiced about folks getting off who he knew were guilty I'm not sure!)
 

Packerjohn said:
In the city where I live they keep bragging about the multi-million dollar museum of "Human Rights" they built. I am waiting for them to build the "Museum of Human Responsibility" but I got a feeling that I will long dead and gone for anyone even thinks there should be one.
In my country, if a lazy and shiftless student doesn't want to work in school, it is not his/her fault. No Never! IT'S ALWAYS THE FAULT OF THE TEACHER! If you ask me, our society is badly regressing where the stupid rule over everyone.
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My friend who teaches may inadvertently be an example of the opposite case, because I do believe she takes "the battle of wills" with her students too far sometimes, (she says she us very strict, and I'm sure she tries to be, but the very best teachers I remember from my school days largely got the respect they were due, and your compliance, just by their mere presence and because they had the "x factor" somehow!).
I get into trouble a bit too often for comfort when visiting my friend because she finds it hard to behave towards me as though I'm an adult at times, (she did the same with her husband when they were married, and he was a professor, and very sensible/mature guy).

Largely however I find myself in agreement with your sentiments on this subject! :)
 
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Shalimar said:
Re the never wrong types. Gaslighting is often their go to. Unless they are a cat. Cats just don’t care. Being Divine, (in their minds, at least,) human rules don’t apply. Lol.
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I only realized what Gaslighting was a few years ago. Then I realized all the times it was used on me.

Regarding cats, I've said to my tabby "I wish we could talk" Truth is, I'd probably not like what she had to say! ❤️
 
grahamg said:
I remember the comments of a serving police officer I used to play sport alongside in the UK, who told me that anyone arriving at court should plead "not guilty" because in his view the courts were as likely as not to believe them, even when the evidence was overwhelming!
(whether this was always the case, or due to him feeling jaundiced about folks getting off who he knew were guilty I'm not sure!)
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In the US, a defendant should always plead not guilty. Because it doesn't mean not factually guilty. It means the prosecution or plaintiff has to prove their case. In criminal cases, the prosecution has to prove every element of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

I had a client who was arrested for burglary and for beating up his girlfriend. The burglary charges were dropped. The defendant had to have broken in, and the door was unlocked. Because they didn't prove every element of the crime, the prosecutor had to drop the charge. The felony the defendant had to have intent to do was beating up his girlfriend. That charge stuck, I think. He fired me because I didn't understand how OJ Simpson's case was exactly like his. It finally dawned on me that OJ and his female victim were, or had been, an interracial couple. I don't know much about that case ... never was interested in it, so what I know was collected from the air.
 
Pepper said:
I love your war lawyer stories @WheatenLover! More, please!
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One time, and only once, I had a client on appeal. He told me he did the crime, did the time, and he didn't want to appeal because of that.

BTW, a lawyer never asks whether the client is factually guilty. I don't, because it doesn't matter. Sometimes clients will tell me that they are guilty. It doesn't matter because the prosecutor has to prove their case, and the clients are legally (not necessarily factually) innocent.

The worst case I had was when two parents were charged with child abuse -- the infant had 31 bones broken, in different stages of healing. They both said they did not know who did it, and the baby had been with a sitter a few times. There was no direct proof of who did it. My client was the husband. In the end, neither of them were convicted, but the baby was taken from them to live with her grandparents. I thought my client was factually innocent -- he had a full-time job and was going to college at night, and tons of people sent letters to the judge vouching for his character. The other lawyer thought the wife was factually innocent.

That case was a mess because the prosecutor couldn't prove any element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. The husband left the wife, and the wife moved to another state. I decided never to take another case in which the victim was a child. It was just too heartbreaking. There are plenty of lawyers out there who will take those cases, so it isn't like I left a bunch of battered or murdered kids in the lurch. I would never do that.

Luckily, I never had another case like that.
 
Della said:
Unlike the cats, my dog thinks it's all her fault. Anyone in the house raises their voice, even if it's over something on TV, she thinks she's in trouble. If I turn the blender on she's under the bed.
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Decades ago, I had a cat that was somewhat that way.. I don't know where he picked it up from, maybe t.v., but he'd stand himself in a corner!
 
Remy said:
I only realized what Gaslighting was a few years ago. Then I realized all the times it was used on me.

Regarding cats, I've said to my tabby "I wish we could talk" Truth is, I'd probably not like what she had to say! ❤️
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I think few of us would escape the criticism of a cat. Lol. Re Gaslighting. Sometimes, the knowledge that we weren’t crazy, or weak, or over sensitive, horrible, stupid, ungrateful, ugly, lazy, etc etc, but victims of Gaslghting, can free us, if only a little. 🥰
 
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Lawrence said:
I believe that the " I am not responsible " response is just human nature and everyone does it at one time or others. I also think that one persons viewpoint about what happend is different than another persons viewpoint.
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Not guilty, I don't see it as part of human nature but a dishonest part of theirs. Everyone does have different opinions but when the answer is staring you in the face. !!
 
Bellbird said:
Not guilty, I don't see it as part of human nature but a dishonest part of theirs. Everyone does have different opinions but when the answer is staring you in the face. !!
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We'll definitely take your word on that one, especially coming from the home of the "All Blacks", (or I will anyway, because I've seen how forthright many of your guys are when supporting your rugby team over here!).
 
Blessed said:
I have a couple of people in my life. (family) I have just learned to let crazy be crazy. Never argue with them, not worth the stress it creates.
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One explanation for such behaviour might well be what I seem to remember from a works organised course on "Transactional Analysis" was called "attention seeking behaviour".

Human beings crave attention above all else, be it good attention or praise, and equally negative attention, ( i.e. "being told off", either of these is better than being ignored in terms of fulfilling human needs, or psychological needs!).
 
I knew a girl like that once. She blamed her screw-ups on everyone or everything besides her own incompetence. Like the time we had a date and when I got to her apartment there was a note on the door telling me that she had no idea that her ex-husband was going to be in town and she wanted to catch up on things with him. Maybe call me tomorrow? I wrote on the note "Don't hold your breath."
 
Been There said:
I knew a girl like that once. She blamed her screw-ups on everyone or everything besides her own incompetence. Like the time we had a date and when I got to her apartment there was a note on the door telling me that she had no idea that her ex-husband was going to be in town and she wanted to catch up on things with him. Maybe call me tomorrow? I wrote on the note "Don't hold your breath."
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You were obviously not broad minded enough to accept her behaviour, and let's face it, her very honest note, (but in reality hankering after ex.'s is likely to lead to trouble I agree!).
 

I am not responsible !​


I am not responsible, for accidentally kicking over the garden gnome in the garden of the 'Lovely Lady from over the road'.
Granted, I did walk up her path at precicely 6.45pm last night, but that crafty gnome jumped out onto my foot like a commando, and I know for a fact he doesn't like me. 😊
 
timoc said:

I am not responsible !​


I am not responsible, for accidentally kicking over the garden gnome in the garden of the 'Lovely Lady from over the road'.
Granted, I did walk up her path at precicely 6.45pm last night, but that crafty gnome jumped out onto my foot like a commando, and I know for a fact he doesn't like me. 😊
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You should have reported that pesky gnome for elder abuse! :eek::)
 
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I could never be happy if somebody else was blamed
for something that I had done wrong, I always admitted
to my mistakes and wrongdoing, the lads who worked
under my supervision liked working with me, sometimes
if they made a mistake, I would tell the people higher
up the ladder that I had made a mistake, all was then
forgotten.

I didn't qualify my statement by saying that the mistake
was giving the job to the one who did it wrong, though
sometimes I was found out, but as the work was usually
OK, nothing was said.

Honesty is the best policy.

Mike.
 
timoc said:
Trish, I think it may be prudent to avoid gno gmans land, Gnobby, well he's on the warpath with his trusty fishing rod. 😊
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Trust me @timoc, when that gobby gnome sees me in full flight, brandishing me rolling pin, him and his fishing rod will be history (y) :D
 
grahamg said:
I remember the comments of a serving police officer I used to play sport alongside in the UK, who told me that anyone arriving at court should plead "not guilty" because in his view the courts were as likely as not to believe them, even when the evidence was overwhelming!
(whether this was always the case, or due to him feeling jaundiced about folks getting off who he knew were guilty I'm not sure!)
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Hers are possible Pleas in Ohio after Indictment or Information. When Arraigned, one may only plead Guilty, Not guilty or No Contest.

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-2943.03
 
I think we're all like that to some degree. We believe our motives are good, and we tend to downplay the effects of what we do. For example, we may think we are being "frugal", but others may think we are "stingy". We can be deaf and blind to our faults. Of course, if inability to accept blame greatly interferes with relationships, it's a mental condition.
 
Is it human nature to deflect blame to someone else? We all have a reason for what we do, even if in retrospect that reason was flimsy.
I have lived my adult life owning up to whatever poor decisions I have made or spoken. What's done is done......tell the truth, take responsibility for what you do. Most importantly, beat the other guy to it, and it takes the sting out of the mistake. ;)
 

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