I had a Black Dog - His name was Depression!

Michael.

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Millions of people around the world live with depression and have to take Tricyclic antidepressants

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At its worst, it can be a frightening, debilitating condition.

Recognizing depression and seeking help is the first and most critical towards recovery.

This is an amazing presentation


http://tinyurl.com/p3tqomb


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It's a very good and simple explanation of how it feels Michael, well found.'

I had a milder than many get brush with it about 15 years ago when my life was a deep hole and I toyed with burning the house down just to get out... but it never went past the plotting and fantasizing stage. I was depressed but had good reason to be so perhaps it's different to what many suffer, or not as deep an 'episode' of it.

The description in that clip nails it. You don't feel sad, just empty. Nothing looks right. The world appeared to me like an old sepia photograph, everything real had gone and I was living in the shell of it. Nothing really mattered to me. I wasn't suicidal but if someone had pointed a shotty at me I wouldn't have given a toss if they pulled the trigger or not.

... and that was the key.. for me. The realisation that I didn't care freed me to some extent.
I looked at things differently, I stopped worrying about anything, stopped planning things to get disappointed about, stopped giving a toss what anyone said or did, stopped trying to cover the blues up, and just rode out the few days at a time when the world was shite and thought about how to live through the present a day at a time and to hell with appearances and the old rules.

I didn't fight it, just waited for it to pass. I was already cynical so being depressed wasn't a big change to me anyway really. Long story short, it gradually receeded in frequency and it's gone, but sorry, it didn't take the cynicism with it.

I didn't take anti-depressants as I felt that would be feeding it. It may have been a poor decision but it was how I handled it. I like to be in control, never got drunk and wasn't letting some drug mess with my mind either, I had a vague idea of how it all worked and how to cope with it without the dope. Just went with the flow.

BUT.. that's just me, I only had it 'mild' and any who do feel they're in a hole should at least talk about it to someone who won't say "oh, what have you got to be depressed about, you're better off than some!" ... they may be right, always someone worse off, but they don't 'get' it.
I found a GP who did get it and was a damned good psychologist as a few sentences from him put me on different track of thinking. He left it up to me to decide if I needed to take the dope or not. Good man.

What puzzles me is the confused messages that we get about depression. Some things we read contend that it's a chemical imbalance in the brain over which we have no control. If that is 'true' depression then that's not what I had, even though the symptoms are identical. I had good enough reason to be depressed, I was trapped in a lifestyle I didn't want to be in, it was prison like, so who wouldn't get depressed about that? You'd have to be nuts not to be wouldn't you?

So, does the 'chemical imbalance' cause the mental depression, or does the mental attitude trigger the 'chemical depression reaction'???

Discounting those on the dole with 'professional' depression I wonder how many really have that 'chemical' depression?
Certainly not the farmers who hang themselves in the tractor shed. God knows the way their lives have gone is depressing just to read about, let alone live with. But they still need to talk about it if only to sort it out for themselves why they feel as they do.
When you hear of rich, or young people with a future suffering from it then you do have to wonder if that is the chemical type. it's every bit as real to them. But that's what shrinks are for I guess.
 
I daren't watch it At the moment; my hole is too deep.

I have had to take anti-depressants for many years; dose goes up, dose goes down.

I have an extremely good doctor, who specialised in psychiatry, so is helpful, not dismissive.

I have often had no reason for this that anybody can put their finger on; so a chemical imbalance it is then, for me.

Keep taking the tablets..
 

Yep, we do what we have to Jen, no rights and wrongs. Sorry you're going through it and I hope like mine it'll eventually pass. My circumstances changed and that more than anything led to being free of it now, lucky I guess. You're not alone though, remember that.:)
 
... But they still need to talk about it if only to sort it out for themselves why they feel as they do ...

And then of course there are those for whom "talking it out" is either not possible or not wanted.

I've never been one to discuss emotional problems with another person, even a family member or spouse. It just doesn't work that way for me. I have to go inside myself and do some exploring, some chipping-away at the faults that I find. It isn't always a 100% process, in fact it rarely is, but it gets me back on track.

It's the way I was trained, it avoids the dicey drugs and it has the bonus of feeding my ego when it works.
 
I am not very good at that Phil; tends to send me down, not up.......so I have to be well first!

I am learning to recognise the signs , so I can stop myself falling too far; takes so long to get out then.

At the moment I a wandering about in the middle somewhere....it will improve when spring comes I know.
 
I was lucky in that I was taught meditation and self-healing at a young age. I realize most people are not that lucky.

Recognizing the symptoms is indeed a wonderful and essential first step - congratulations!
 
That's how I was too, I didn't ask the Doctor, he asked me if I felt depressed so I told yes of course I was bloody depressed why wouldn't I be and we took it from there. I never spoke of it to the family except Mum who I mentioned it to, which brought the above response.
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...and yes I guess it fed my ego a bit too that I took my own road with it. Not a bad thing though as it was pretty much outa gas by then anyway.
 
I find that having an over-arcing life philosophy is an essential tool in fighting depression. It fuels whatever I do to balance-out my manic-depressive mood swings, and without it I would probably be lost at sea, or at least reduced to finding a new method.

For me it's Taoist philosophy that does the trick. It isn't a magical cure - nothing magical about it, it's just a world-view. It's a tool, and tools come in all shapes and sizes. Religion does it for some. Drugs for others. But the good thing, for me, about this philosophy is that unlike the other two it doesn't come with dogma and it isn't soul-destroying.

In general, I believe that a wider view of life is healthier than focusing upon single incidents. It's like doing a jigsaw puzzle - if you spend too much time looking at a single piece you'll never perceive the clues that looking at the box-top offers. You have to fit that single piece into the whole, and you can only do that by seeing the whole.
 
Quite correct Phil.....one reason why I started yoga. I needed the excercise, but the relaxation helps too...
 
Depression is so debilitating, and wide spread, the us medical community makes wide use of meds. simply because the medical system cannot handle the volume in a clinical setting. We have a sickcare system not a healthcare system. A lot of depression comes from recognizing the things that cause it, but the start of release is to realizes the things you can't do anything about. Do as Slim did in "City Slickers" "just one thing" take control. Consider what you eat for lunch. Its really all you have control over. Plan your lunch, whole rye bread, smoked, peppered turkey, muenster cheese, avocado. Take time to enjoy every mouthful. Eat slowly letting that large muscle your stomach get all the oxygen it needs, let it starve your brain for oxygen for a few mins. If you can't control lunch what can you control? Ever try to herd cats or put socks on a rooster?
 
Depression is so debilitating, and wide spread, the us medical community makes wide use of meds. simply because the medical system cannot handle the volume in a clinical setting ...

... or, they have CREATED the illusion that depression is widespread, convinced the public that they have it and conveniently came up with meds to "cure" it ...
 
It is such a hard thing to define...are you miserable or really depressed ?
will you be better in 3 weeks, or not?
will talking therapy help?
do you need to change something fairly fundamental in your life?
that takes courage.....and a lot of rational thinking.

Or is it really a chemical imbalance in that particular individual, that needs a helping hand, with vigilance from a doctor?
 
I remember when every female over the age of 15 had a scrip for Valium thrust on them. Apparently females were suffering a pandemic of anxiety or something back then. These ailments get trendy, then suddenly everybody's got it or are told that they have. Right about the profits the 'health' fads turn over.
 
I remember when every female over the age of 15 had a scrip for Valium thrust on them. Apparently females were suffering a pandemic of anxiety or something back then. These ailments get trendy, then suddenly everybody's got it or are told that they have. Right about the profits the 'health' fads turn over.

Anti-depressants and the valiums of this world are completely different though.
valium numbs you, and can be addictive.
Anti-depressants, the more modern ones anyway, do not sedate you in the same way at all, and enable you to think more rationally again...

I hear rt3 creeping up behind me at this point!
 
To be fair it isn't entirely the medical / pharmaceutical industries' fault - they're just filling the public need (want) for instant results.

Two possible reasons for the massive employment of mind drugs: non-drug psychiatric therapy doesn't work, and if it does it puts too much of an onus upon the patient for self-healing. Second reason: people are in a hurry. They want results yesterday.

So much easier to believe that taking a pill will cure your ills, and in many cases it does.

Just not ALL cases.
 
True, Phil, and not instantly either.
i am really lucky; my doctor knows me well medically; so will always spend time with me, and suggest different strategies.
just giving me a tablet, and telling me to go away wouldn't solve anything.
 
regardless of the cause, the US doesn't have enough hospital beds to treat physical illness and mental illness. both the gov. and medical community rubber stamp use of drugs for this reason. If the US had the hospital beds to accommodate mental stuff they would do it simply because there is more money in it.

Just here to back you up Vivjen, tried/loved Yoga, but I keep falling over. No knee cap passengers side, rheumatoid arthritis drivers side.

valium--- that is nothing compared to the common practice of hysterectomies from the 70 thru the 90. a gynecologists bread and butter.

it is more of a nutritional imbalance-- serotonin levels can be easily raised with a little work without drugs. http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Gut-Breakthrough-Eliminating-Revolutionizing/dp/0062075861
 
long time fan of Yogi Bera here, not baseball but the man, probably the premier oxymoronic ever existed

when you come to the fork in the road, take it
its not over till its over
I love little league baseball, it keeps the kids out of the house in the summer

who would of thought a book could have such wisdom in it, with a picture of a baseball player on the cover.
 
While in therapy through the VA, they kept pushing me to gobble Prozac. I resisted and resisted and resisted until finally giving in just to get things moving along because all I really wanted was to talk to somebody and they weren't gonna give me a chance until I shut 'em up with the drug pushing stuff. Read EVERYTHING I could find at the local library; the good, the bad, the ugly. It didn't do a thing except for two of the popular side effects; insomnia and constipation. One fine day, the shrink asks how I'm doin' on the pills and I was happy to report, "Well, Doc, I lie awake at night wishing I could take a decent shit." Their brilliant deduction was to finally take me off the junk.

What has helped over the years has been simply a conscious choice to look for the good things in the light rather than get dragged down by the bad things in the dark. It's a constant struggle but well worth the effort. Just the other day, awoke to thinking, "Hooray, it's Wednesday! Darn, it's only Wednesday." I live for the weekends . . . So . . . allow me to say, "Hooray it's FRIDAY!"
 
You are all so wise....I have been on here a month now.....thanks all.

I agreeTG; I can do that sometimes....but not always!
i have never been on Prozac, I don't altogether trust it!
 
I have had bouts of depression all my life. Dr.'s have prescribed everything from valium to alprazolam, at one time demirol (?), since I fell and received a blood clot on my frontal lobe at seven years old. I was hospitalized for nine months. So, I don't know which came first, the drugs, or the depression. :dunno:
 
Not an easy one that Ina..
i think it is easier to deal with in some ways if there is a reason...
 
Hi Viv, It has never been as bad as it is right now, I'm fighting suicide as hard as I can. That is the first time I've written/said that word. I'm taking a big deep breath right now. I going to just watch this site for today and do nothing else. So, I'll be around "listening". :dontworry:
 
com'on Ina I bet you got some really good Texas jokes. Lets hear them.
 


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