I Have Done My Research And I Have Made My Choices

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5 Myths About the 19th Amendment, Debunked
The Myth: Women couldn’t vote before the 19th Amendment

The reality: Whether a woman could vote before 1920 depended on where she lived, her race and her citizenship status


The Myth: All women wanted the right to vote

The reality: Some women opposed the 19th Amendment


The Myth: The most important suffragists were white

The reality: Women of color played a key role in suffrage movement—but got left out of the retelling of it
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Rakaia said:
Really?
Keating went to the top floor of the ivory tower and he went out the door.
Little Johnny outstayed his welcome...
Kevin 07 and the revolving door crowd were on the nose, & NEXT...t.
Scomo was well passed his use by date, nobody really wanted Albo.
So who actually got a warm invitation to the Lodge?
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I see your point
 
MarkD said:
I agree with all you say here. Seems to me, if one has access to voting by mail you are much more secure in your vote doing it that way early. If you must vote on the last day possible you risk ruffians, zealots and brownshirts interfering to make it harder for you. If you don't have that option I'd wonder who is it who wants to make it harder for you and why. There is very little actual wrongful voting taking place in the USA but lots of unsupported misinformation to the contrary.
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You do not know that.
 
I'll be voting as soon as early voting opens in my state. Last time we were called out of town to assist with a medical emergency and were unable to return on election day. It's the only presidential election I ever missed. Who knows what could happen this time around?
 
gruntlabor said:
You do not know that.
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Does anyone know anything 100%? The fact checking I’ve seen convinced me it isn’t a credible claim. If there was any good evidence of it we’d be hearing about an actual court result. We don’t generally require anyone to prove the negative. Much more reasonable to ask for solid evidence of even one incidence.
 
Okay, this is strange. I wanted to see what AI says about what I read was the top question/concern about voter fraud. The article said the top concern is "are illegal immigrants voting?" So I asked AI. The answer?

"I know elections are important to talk about, and I wish we could, but there's a lot of nuanced information that I'm not equipped to handle right now. It's best that I step aside on this one and suggest that you visit a trusted source. How about another topic instead?"

EDIT: Adding this part on... hey, @dilettante ... I see you laughing. 🤭 Just wait 'til til some artificial non-brained "being" tries to tell YOU to stifle! Seriously, that answer threw me... I chose to ask AI because I thought THAT was a "trusted source."
 
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CallMeKate said:
Okay, this is strange. I wanted to see what AI says about what I read was the top question/concern about voter fraud. The article said the top concern is "are illegal immigrants voting?" So I asked AI. The answer?

"I know elections are important to talk about, and I wish we could, but there's a lot of nuanced information that I'm not equipped to handle right now. It's best that I step aside on this one and suggest that you visit a trusted source. How about another topic instead?"

EDIT: Adding this part on... hey, @dilettante ... I see you laughing. 🤭 Just wait 'til til some artificial non-brained "being" tries to tell YOU to stifle! Seriously, that answer threw me... I chose to ask AI because I thought THAT was a "trusted source."
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:love: So far, I ❤️ Copilot, and he will not answer politically charged or teasing questions, unless comically.

He's brief and specific, and he reads true.
 
Murrmurr said:
It's easy to research whoever is on the ballot. For congress members and presidential candidates who served in congress, the first things I check are their past voting record and what lobbyists they've had long meetings with or long relationships with. That stuff is easy to find. Then I listen to (or read transcripts of) all the major speeches they've made that I can find online.

I especially like comparing their older speeches to their recent ones. It's incredible how many of them flip-flop just to get votes and keep their seats. And it's outrageous when you realize how absolutely meaningless a lot of those speeches are, particularly the more recent ones. Most of those are just a long stream of trending words and phrases that have no meaning whatsoever with a bunch of self-praise and phony virtue tossed in. It's become really embarrassing.

Anyway, that takes quite a bit more time but it's totally worth it.
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Here's a question for you Murmurr. Do you find that checking a candidates voting record is relatively easy? What I mean is, I know you can Google their name and 'voting record', but when you get to that page, do you find that the record is easy to understand? Like the bills are named and explained so that you know what they voted no or yes on?

I find in Canada when I do the same, it takes me to a page and shows a list of bill numbers only (like Bill C19...) and then I have to go to another page which gives this great long explanation on who put the bill forward, the reasons why, the outline, then the details.... Sometimes I feel like it's made to be as tedious an exercise as possible.

I'd love to see a Cliff Notes version that says Bill C19 was to add trans people to the list of identifiable minorities so that their rights to housing, employment, services would not be disregarded. Or something to that effect. And then of course, how my candidate voted on that one specifically. So how is it set up in the USA?
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I don't understand why some believe standing online for hours to vote at a booth is better than voting by mail. The idea of an election is to allow citizens to vote. I don't think how you cast your vote is important.
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Me too. Since I got discovered voting by mail, that's the way I do it too. Especially now as I get older and don't like to be in crowds any more than I have to.
 
StarSong said:
I'm voting with a prayer that Americans will consider the character and behavioral history of the people they're voting for - from the top of the ticket on down.
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That's what I do. Years ago I gave up much hope in campaign promises, because even with the most sincere intentions the other side is likely to block their efforts. So now I just vote on whoever seems like the most decent person, because you never know when a decision may be needed over something like going to war or pressing that button.

I'll vote at the polls. I love doing it.
 
dilettante said:
5 Myths About the 19th Amendment, Debunked
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Spare me the outliers. All American women who were citizens weren't granted that right until 1920.

If women and people of color had the same full voting rights as White men, there would have been no need for the 19th Amendment in 1920 (giving ALL women the right to vote in ALL states), or the laws passed in 1924 granting Native Americans the right to vote, or the Voting Act of 1965, which was designed to overcome the legal barriers that prevented Black Americans from voting (a right granted to Black men by the 15th Amendment, but was endlessly thwarted).

"If the Supreme Court has never decided whether you have the same rights as others, you have privilege."
 
Della said:
That's what I do. Years ago I gave up much hope in campaign promises, because even with the most sincere intentions the other side is likely to block their efforts. So now I just vote on whoever seems like the most decent person, because you never know when a decision may be needed over something like going to war or pressing that button.
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This is called a Personality Contest.
 
Murrmurr said:
Do you realize that if Americans refused to vote this year, it would secure more fair and free elections in the future?
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No, how would that change human nature's tendency to have views/opinions that disagree with each other for which each will fight for?
 
old medic said:
"Brewsters Millions".........."Vote None of the Above"
I always vote, and always in person. Primaries are an issue... We are registered unaffiliated, so If we want to vote in them, we have to pick one side or the other.
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Yeah, that's a recent thing, and it isn't right.

We have a right to keep our political leaning to ourselves, and we have a right to vote, so having to pick a side in order to vote is unconstitutional in my opinion. Our ballots aren't really secret because we do have to print our names on them and sign them, but that's (ostensibly) only for validating our citizenship status.
 

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