I just learned about Nonenal Odor - the Old People smell - and sniffed my shirt

Nonenal is an organic compound naturally produced by the human body and the primary source of the distinct scent often associated with Old People. Commonly characterized as greasy or grassy with a stale or musty quality, and often compared to the scent of old books or cooking oil that sat around for too long, the Old People smell is not the result of perspiration or poor hygiene, but a biological change that becomes more pronounced with age.

Nonenal odor tends to linger on fabrics and in enclosed spaces. And because 2-Nonenal is a fat-soluble compound, it binds to the lipids on the skin’s surface, making it difficult to wash away with standard soaps and body washes. It is often first detected at around age 40, and becomes more noticeable in later decades.

~ In Science Speak, the compound responsible for this odor is the unsaturated aldehyde 2-Nonenal, which is a direct result of lipid peroxidation, the oxidative degradation of lipids. This chemical reaction involves free radicals attacking the fatty acids found in sebum, the oily substance secreted by the skin’s sebaceous glands.

Specifically, 2-Nonenal is formed when omega-7 unsaturated fatty acids, such as palmitoleic acid, break down. Palmitoleic acid is a major component of the surface lipids on the skin, and its oxidative decomposition generates the volatile aldehyde. This action establishes 2-Nonenal as a biomarker for the oxidative stress occurring within the skin’s lipid layer. ~

Simply put (kind of), a decline in aging skin’s antioxidant enzymes exacerbates the oxidative breakdown of fatty acids and increases its vulnerability to the free radical damage of the peroxidation process. And that smells odd.

Though regular bathing with conventional soaps is only minimally and temporarily effective in removing Nonenal odor, many aged people say they’ve had great results using hygiene products that contain persimmon extract. And, logically, a diet rich in antioxidants, such as green tea, fruits, and leafy greens, will help maintain the body’s natural defenses against free radicals.


My shirt smells fine, but I should probably ask my wife if I smell Old...yet.
 

I;m very aware of this..not that I smell......yet...but a long time ago I read about it, and apparently the Japanese elderly use a soap called Persimmon Tannin Soap (Kakishibu) which removes toxic smells from the body...

When I read about it, I bought 2 bars which are in my Bathroom Vanity for whenever the need might arise...

this is them

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From AI


Persimmon Tannin Soap, or "Kakishibu" soap, is a Japanese-inspired cleansing bar designed to eliminate body odors, particularly nonenal (the source of "old person smell") and sweat, by using natural astringent tannins. These soaps often contain green tea and bentonite for deep cleaning, moisturizing, and sterilization. They are highly effective for removing oil and stubborn, musty odors.
Key Benefits and Features
  • Targeted Odor Control: Specifically removes nonenal, an oxidized fatty acid that causes body odor, better than conventional soap.
  • Natural Ingredients: Features kaki (persimmon) tannin extract, green tea, and sometimes added moisturizers like hyaluronic acid or collagen.
  • Deep Cleansing: Known for removing excessive sebum and bacteria, leaving skin refreshed.
  • Versatility: Suitable for both body and face, and effective for all ages.
  • Popular Varieties: Available in bar, foam, and liquid forms, with brands like Pelican Soap and Mirai Clinical being common.
Usage
  • Daily Use: Can be used daily for bathing to combat persistent odor.
  • Application: Creates rich, dense foam to cleanse pores thoroughly.
  • Results: Provides immediate odor reduction after washing, with improved, long-term odor control noted with consistent use.
 
yes this is a point that I wonder about. I mean I'm kind of almost obsessive about smelling my clothes, and my body for any changes... I would be mortified if someone told me I smell like an old woman.
Yup. I know what you mean. I take cleanliness to the nth degree, washing, scrubbing almost to the point of being demented (not quite, heh). I basically believe that if my body is cleansed daily, my clothing freshly laundered and changed daily, I SHOULD not smell…..but who knows? Now I will become even more demented about it – by the way I am ordering that soap you recommended just to be sure.
 
I don’t doubt that there is some truth and probably science behind this phenomenon but IMO it has more to do with getting too tired to keep up with personal hygiene, laundry, cleaning, etc…

We’ll see! 😉🤭😂
Actually he's correct in what he said. But I'm sure being too tired to care for yourself just adds to the bouquet of stink. LOL
 
I just started using Old Spice scent of Bergamot body wash. Maybe I should reconsider. Old Spice is old guy stuff isn't it? D'OH
Old Spice is definitely for OLD men... no question about that I cannot stand that smell.... my grandfather used Old Spice exclusively... it wasn't because he wore it that I hate it.... it's just a horrible stinky , sanitising smell like, a cross between toilet cleaner & Gin...
 
Old Spice is definitely for OLD men... no question about that I cannot stand that smell.... my grandfather used Old Spice exclusively... it wasn't because he wore it that I hate it.... it's just a horrible stinky , sanitising smell like, a cross between toilet cleaner & Gin...
Well this isn't Old Spice Original LoL ... It's Old Spice Bergamot. But yeah, Old Spice. Shoot
 
I don't know about old people smells. When the mechanic came to attend my car the other day, I was almost bowled over with his body odour, it could strip paint off the wall. He did have on thick type of overalls, and it was a hot day but oh dear that smell was terrible. Maybe it was the food he had been eating, he was Indian, but maybe he hadn't changed his clothes for a couple of days? Some people think they can get away with changing their clothes daily. .
 
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yes this is a point that I wonder about. I mean I'm kind of almost obsessive about smelling my clothes, and my body for any changes... I would be mortified if someone told me I smell like an old woman.
I can imagine that this would be quite a shock for you, since you look very beautiful and not even remote near your age.

I think the "old people smell" is an exaggeration. I always could sense odors very well and was in my youth often in company with old female and male friends of my parents. I never smelled it.
 

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