I see some frightening similarities here to Germany '39

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Yes I can see Nazi's and storm troopers acting like this....Trump brings out a ugly face of America...

[h=1]Donald Trump on his Black Lives Matter heckler: 'Maybe he should have been roughed up'[/h] finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-141050747.html
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A protester is removed by security as Donald Trump speaks during a campaign stop.
During a Sunday morning interview, real-estate mogul Donald Trump expressed some support for his fans who reportedly punched and kicked a heckler the day before at a presidential-campaign rally. After his "Fox & Friends" interviewer referred to the incident as the man being "roughed up," Trump said, "I don't know. Rough up? Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing."
The Republican front-runner repeatedly called his heckler "obnoxious."
"The man that was — I don't know, you say 'roughed up' — he was so obnoxious and so loud. He was screaming. I had 10,000 people in the room yesterday — 10,000 people. And this guy started screaming by himself," Trump recalled.
"I have lot of fans and they were not happy about it. And this was a very obnoxious guy, who was a troublemaker who was looking to make trouble," he continued.
CNN reported that at a Saturday Trump rally in Birmingham, Alabama, a man wearing a Black Lives Matter T-shirt was "punched and kicked" by attendees as he was ejected for heckling the candidate.
"At least a half-dozen attendees shoved and tackled the protester, a black man, to the ground as he refused to leave the event. At least one man punched the protester and a woman kicked him while he was on the ground," the network reported.

A Trump spokeswoman told CNN that "the campaign does not condone this behavior."
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Scares me too Jim. Here we have an organisation against Muslims called Reclaim Australia.......ironically forgetting that Europeans invaded and took the land from the Aboriginal people.
 
I don't think so... but only because of the vast social media... People in Germany were kept blissfully ignorant of what was happening.. People disappeared.. but no one really questioned much I don't believe... I think that our instant communication, as well as the fact that we are not an homogenous people as in Germany.. would prevent another Nazi "final solution"... At least I hope so. The world was so traumatized by the last one... I don't think it would be allowed again.. However, I agree, the rhetoric is very reminiscent of Germany 1939... Chalk that up to an election year maybe? Everyone trying to out crazy the other.
 
QuickSilver said:
I don't think so... but only because of the vast social media... People in Germany were kept blissfully ignorant of what was happening.. People disappeared.. but no one really questioned much I don't believe... I think that our instant communication, as well as the fact that we are not an homogenous people as in Germany.. would prevent another Nazi "final solution"... At least I hope so. The world was so traumatized by the last one... I don't think it would be allowed again.. However, I agree, the rhetoric is very reminiscent of Germany 1939... Chalk that up to an election year maybe? Everyone trying to out crazy the other.
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I think you have it right, QS. We have countless groups in this country, all looking out for their own interests. All keeping a wary eye on big government and talking to each other. They often have shared interests and are aware of the "If they do it to them, they can do it to us" factor.
 
QuickSilver said:
Can you explain? I'm not following..
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Certainly...A heckler interrupts a Republican political gathering and is ejected by security. Someone calls this similar to actions taken at Nazi party gatherings of the 1930's. I just pointed out that hecklers and protestors were ejected by security at the Democratic Party's National Convention in Chicago in 1968. The implied question is why wasn't the ejection of a heckler from a Republican political gathering relevant to the ejection of hecklers from a Democratic party gathering? Why go back to the 1930's for relevancy when there is relevancy from a more recent time, i.e. the Democratic National Convention of 1968?
 
Hap, you miss my point. It's not the ejection of this one heckler. It was the fanatic crowd reaction to not just that (kicking the man on the ground, etc), but the entire attitude of those who are buying into the hate messages.
 
I may not know the whole story, but I think it's pretty common for hecklers to be at events like this, and having them physically removed by security if needed is commonplace. But, having him punched and kicked by the crowd of attendees, and having someone screaming out "Don't choke him!", is not alright. Also, Trump condoning this behavior is appalling IMO. BTW, just read that if the conservatives don't treat him nice enough, he threatened to run as an Independent.

Seems to be behavior on topic for this thread. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/irving-texas-armed-mosque-protest_5651eddfe4b0d4093a581d14
 
I'm more concerned with Trumps statements on registering Muslims than how this Heckler was handled.. BUT nasty crowds are nothing new in the republican Primary... Remember how during a Mitt Ronmey rally, how the crowd screamed LET HIM DIE!!!... when it was asked what to do with a person in ER without insurance? OR how they BOO'ed a gay Soldier asking a question from a combat zone? The nastiest of the nasty crawl out of the woodwork during primaries.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I may not know the whole story, but I think it's pretty common for hecklers to be at events like this, and having them physically removed by security if needed is commonplace. But, having him punched and kicked by the crowd of attendees, and having someone screaming out "Don't choke him!", is not alright. Also, Trump condoning this behavior is appalling IMO. BTW, just read that if the conservatives don't treat him nice enough, he threatened to run as an Independent.

Seems to be behavior on topic for this thread. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/irving-texas-armed-mosque-protest_5651eddfe4b0d4093a581d14
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You've made an excellent point here SeaBreeze in pointing out how Trump condoned that behaviour. He's running to be the president of ALL the people, not just his fan club and your constitution is supposed to protect everyone's right to free speech (which upon occasion includes a difference of opinion).
 
Debby said:
You've made an excellent point here SeaBreeze in pointing out how Trump condoned that behaviour. He's running to be the president of ALL the people, not just his fan club and your constitution is supposed to protect everyone's right to free speech (which upon occasion includes a difference of opinion).
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Right now he is not thinking of anything but getting the votes to win the Primary and will say anything that will make the base happy and vote for him. They all figure they can move back to the left during the General... It never works.. and they lose the race.
 
I can't get over the thug behaviour? How can anyone support a candidate that would accept/condone such antics? I realise that compared to the violence perpetuated in the thirties during the rise of Hitler this is small potatoes, but that horror began with paranoid scapegoating---we all know the results.
 
Debby said:
You've made an excellent point here SeaBreeze in pointing out how Trump condoned that behaviour. He's running to be the president of ALL the people, not just his fan club and your constitution is supposed to protect everyone's right to free speech (which upon occasion includes a difference of opinion).
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Debby, I don't recall any other presidential candidate saying this, but I also find it curious that he always refers to the crowd as his "fans". Maybe I'm wrong, maybe others have used that term?
 
Bravo for John McCain, I had forgotten about that. He shows maturity and responsibility in his reply, we need more of that in our politicians (and Trump).
 
Thank you for clarifying that, AZ Jim. I remember there being major riots at the '68 Democratic Convention where several people were subjected to violent hate.

I guess I'm hopelessly naïve, but I don't see the point in trying to make two wrongs equal a right especially when it comes to delivering "hate messages." I believe there is a high ground, but its in the middle....not the extremes.
 
Hap said:
Thank you for clarifying that, AZ Jim. I remember there being major riots at the '68 Democratic Convention where several people were subjected to violent hate.

I guess I'm hopelessly naïve, but I don't see the point in trying to make two wrongs equal a right especially when it comes to delivering "hate messages." I believe there is a high ground, but its in the middle....not the extremes.
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That was our Mayor Daly.. (The Boss) and his wild and crazy Police force. They were ordered to react that way towards protesters.
 
Hap, The hate messages of candidates all are delivered by Republicans. If you can name a single Democrat who preaches hate, please do so. I do not mean you suggest otherwise but I want to make it clear who is preaching the hate.
 
To compare with Nazi Germany 1939 is a absolutely stupid and ridiculous comparison and shows a real lack of knowing history. The circumstances are so different it defies logic to make a comparison.
 
Lon said:
To compare with Nazi Germany 1939 is a absolutely stupid and ridiculous comparison and shows a real lack of knowing history. The circumstances are so different it defies logic to make a comparison.
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Could it be you didn't understand my reasoning in making the comparison? It may not be very obvious to you but it is abundantly clear to me.
 
AZ Jim said:
Hap, The hate messages of candidates all are delivered by Republicans. If you can name a single Democrat who preaches hate, please do so. I do not mean you suggest otherwise but I want to make it clear who is preaching the hate.
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Thank you AZ.

I expect there are a number of people who would be happy to contest your claim that no Democrat preaches hate. I won't. I have political opinions, but they are only mine and I express them on election day in a voting booth.

Responding to hate with hate is what I'm talking about. When it gets to that, it doesn't matter, in my opinion, who started it. Both sides are engaging in hate. I think it was Ghandi who said take an eye for an eye and pretty soon the whole world is blind.

Frankly AZ, I think it is you who is missing my point. I'm not talking about the conduct of the candidates. I'm talking about your making comparison to the Nazis. That's pretty inflammatory and unnecessarily acerbic. I remember when G.W. Bush compared Saddam Hussein to a Nazi and Saddam made a public statement about how low and trashy that was. I wouldn't think you would want to include yourself in that kind of company.
 

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