I see some frightening similarities here to Germany '39

AZ Jim said:
Could it be you didn't understand my reasoning in making the comparison? It may not be very obvious to you but it is abundantly clear to me.
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I certainly understand your reasoning Jim, but aren't you and your ilk's dislike of conservatives/republicans clouding your ability to think clearly, or is it just age? Why not compare the repubs to the KKK that would be just as bad a comparison.
 

Hap said:
Thank you AZ.

I expect there are a number of people who would be happy to contest your claim that no Democrat preaches hate. I won't. I have political opinions, but they are only mine and I express them on election day in a voting booth.

Responding to hate with hate is what I'm talking about. When it gets to that, it doesn't matter, in my opinion, who started it. Both sides are engaging in hate. I think it was Ghandi who said take an eye for an eye and pretty soon the whole world is blind.

Frankly AZ, I think it is you who is missing my point. I'm not talking about the conduct of the candidates. I'm talking about your making comparison to the Nazis. That's pretty inflammatory and unnecessarily acerbic. I remember when G.W. Bush compared Saddam Hussein to a Nazi and Saddam made a public statement about how low and trashy that was. I wouldn't think you would want to include yourself in that kind of company.
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With regard to the 68 Democrat convention... The protesters were protesting the Vietnam war... Mayor Daly came down a little too heavy handed.. that was HIS decision and not directed by the DNC.. If you know anything about Chicago... you would know that Mayor Daly made all his own decisions. Hope that helps.
 
AZ Jim said:
Could it be you didn't understand my reasoning in making the comparison? It may not be very obvious to you but it is abundantly clear to me.
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...and it is abundantly clear to me and many others, but not to those that can't seem to recognize where the Republican/Tea Party is taking the country.
 

QuickSilver said:
With regard to the 68 Democrat convention... The protesters were protesting the Vietnam war... Mayor Daly came down a little too heavy handed.. that was HIS decision and not directed by the DNC.. If you know anything about Chicago... you would know that Mayor Daly made all his own decisions. Hope that helps.
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Thank you, QS

My memory of the '68 convention is that the protestors were protesting the Democratic party and Lyndon Johnson because they were the ones responsible for escalating Vietnam from an insurgency into a full fledged war. Their goal was to make the DNC stop the war. I remember there was an extremely violent response by the Democratic leadership of Chicago which the media termed " a police riot." it was bad, but I didn't then nor do I now think of it as Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany from what history says (I wasn't there) was

My response to this current discussion thread was because while the recent ejection of a heckler from a Trump speech and assault by what looked to be four or five out of 10,000 attendees was bad, it certainly was not on the order of the '68 Democratic convention. I do think comparing it to Nazi was a gross exaggeration. I'm not excusing this thing, I think its a tragedy that someone is trying make political hay out of. Of course it is right in line with all the hay being harvested by both sides in this campaign. I just hate to see "truth" abused this way.

I live near a small town. Just prior to reading this discussion, I had read the paper. There was a story about the sheriff being called to eject a person from a restaurant in town on Saturday. The story said that the person was being rude and abusive to a server which was upsetting the rest of the customers. Frankly, I think that event was comparable to the Trump speech event. It certainly wasn't Nazi Germany or the 68 Democratic convention or the Battle of the Bulge or......
 
expect there are a number of people who would be happy to contest your claim that no Democrat preaches hate. I won't. I have political opinions, but they are only mine and I express them on election day in a voting booth.
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I cast down the gauntlet, my charge stands. If you know of a current Democrat who is preaching hatred, speak up.

Frankly AZ, I think it is you who is missing my point. I'm not talking about the conduct of the candidates. I'm talking about your making comparison to the Nazis. That's pretty inflammatory and unnecessarily acerbic. I remember when G.W. Bush compared Saddam Hussein to a Nazi and Saddam made a public statement about how low and trashy that was. I wouldn't think you would want to include yourself in that kind of company.
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I don't know how to reflect my feelings any better. I would not made the Nazi comment had I not believed in my statement. That you feel as you do is fine, it's your opinion. Let's agree to disagree.
 
Trump is just once again pandering to his supporters. He knows his audience perfectly and he's a show man. If it'll get him the applause he'll make any idiot statement that comes to mind.
 
AZ Jim said:
I cast down the gauntlet, my charge stands. If you know of a current Democrat who is preaching hatred, speak up.

I don't know how to reflect my feelings any better. I would not made the Nazi comment had I not believed in my statement. That you feel as you do is fine, it's your opinion. Let's agree to disagree.
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This thread, unfortunately, seems to indicate a total innocence of the Nazi era (in spite of many TV shows and written material about National Socialism.)
Think of total thought control (totalitarianism?), constant propaganda (Goebbels) urging the hatred of Jewish persons, promoting the theory of "Lebensraum" (one of the excuses for war), and much more!
You have no idea (not small potatoes!)
 
AZ Jim said:
I cast down the gauntlet, my charge stands. If you know of a current Democrat who is preaching hatred, speak up.
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You have a good sense of humor AZ, I like that.

OK, I'll open with naming you. I assume you're a democrat and in addition to your hateful practice of calling people Nazis, there are a good number of posts today in another thread (email, Hillary) where you got pretty hard into being hateful to forum members.

Here's a shot of you being condescending:

"Frankly you are not important enough to label but if I did label you it would just be as someone who hasn't given much thought to what his party is up to."

Name calling:

"~These chumps are going to dig up anything....." ........chumps?????

Others' right to express an opinion:

".... you are becoming obsessed with beating the hell out of this dead horse"

There's more, but I think my point is made.

Now its your serve. Be careful that you don't trip over your gauntlet.

I don't know how to reflect my feelings any better. I would not made the Nazi comment had I not believed in my statement. That you feel as you do is fine, it's your opinion. Let's agree to disagree.
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Don't worry AZ, I think with a little work you could learn to express yourself better i.e. showing basic respect to others and not slinging derogatory insults like calling people Nazis. That went out of style back in the 70's. All we're talking about is how to play with others. It was covered in kindergarten. The right to disagree was implied in the 1st. Amendment to the Constitution. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel.

I have to log off now, but I'll check in the morning to see if you want to play some more. If you don't that's fine. If you do, just throw another gauntlet at me. I'd like to say something macho like "I ain't never backed down from a gauntlet throwing" but the truth is I've never had anyone do this to me before.LOL I'm curious to see where this goes.

Good Night AZ
 
A post from "The Escapist" says it well.

Before anyone asks, I decided to put this one into "Religion and Politics" because this issue gets thrown around a lot in politics on top of everything else.
Okay, so I know it's usually fair to assume that, when people get angry at a person or a particular group, or if they don't like what they're doing, that person/group is usually compared to other bad people, usually as a means of making them seem worse. At some point I'm sure we've all heard people going around saying things like "this person is as bad as the Nazis" or maybe "this is exactly the kind of thing the Nazis would do" or other remarks of that type.
However, if it's not too much for me to ask...STOP DOING THAT!!!
Seriously! I know there's a whole slew of people and issues that get people angry, both on this site and in the wider world, but calling people Nazis is going way to far. I know a lot of people will say "but it's just words" or something but it's still going overboard.
The Nazis were one of , if not THE, most terrible group of people ever to be produced in human history, and saying that anyone is like them simply because they have an opposing viewpoint or because they're stricter than you would want them to be, that's just offending everyone who ever suffered or died at the hands of those monsters.
People who want to censor media aren't Nazis. Politicians you don't like, no matter how ignorant or racist they may appear to be, aren't Nazis. Those people in everyday life who bug the hell out of you, they're not Nazis.
Unless they actually go ahead and try to commit some kind of genocide, calling them by that name or saying that they're in any way similar is just unnecessary. Because if you honestly feel like what those unlikeable people today are doing to you or others is in any way as bad as what the Nazis used to do to people, then you seriously over-estimate just how bad that situation is.


 
Hap... I know you are "gunning" for AZ... but I didn't see him call ANYONE on this forum a name... He likened the current political rhetoric to what was being said and done in Nazi Germany.. Certainly YOU, as smart as you are, can see the correlation between registering people of the Muslim faith with that of Jews being registered and made to wear yellow stars on their outer garments.. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.. well you know the rest of the saying. I would be very careful Hap.. Your last few posts smack of personal attack against JIM.. Is this a pot calling the kettle black situation? Seems like it to me.. and it seems to me like you just want to start a fight...

And now.... since Jim is 2 or 3 hours behind us on the clock.. and I will be busy the rest of the day... I'm sure he will be able to reply to your attack.. I'm really not interested in sparing with you any further Hap. It's always curious when a newcomer can jump right in and attack like that... Makes one wonder if there isn't some history there..
 
QS you made position clear, I see no need to "beat a dead horse" here. I posted what I did, I believe it, and unless there is further need, I am through here.
 
QuickSilver said:
Hap... I know you are "gunning" for AZ... but I didn't see him call ANYONE on this forum a name... He likened the current political rhetoric to what was being said and done in Nazi Germany.. Certainly YOU, as smart as you are, can see the correlation between registering people of the Muslim faith with that of Jews being registered and made to wear yellow stars on their outer garments.. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.. well you know the rest of the saying. I would be very careful Hap.. Your last few posts smack of personal attack against JIM.. Is this a pot calling the kettle black situation? Seems like it to me.. and it seems to me like you just want to start a fight...

And now.... since Jim is 2 or 3 hours behind us on the clock.. and I will be busy the rest of the day... I'm sure he will be able to reply to your attack.. I'm really not interested in sparing with you any further Hap. It's always curious when a newcomer can jump right in and attack like that... Makes one wonder if there isn't some history there..
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Hey QS. I'm not "gunning" for anyone in my meaning of the term. I guess I'm supposed to realize that hyperbole passes for truth here. I responded to AZ throwing the gauntlet comment which to me is aggression. I see an overall implication of threat in your comment. (I would be very careful Hap...) and condescension (Its's always curious when a newcomer can.... ). I'm sure in real life you are a nice person. Please don't expect me to look at you as a superior of be intimidated here in cyber world.
 
Hap said:
Hey QS. I'm not "gunning" for anyone in my meaning of the term. I guess I'm supposed to realize that hyperbole passes for truth here. I responded to AZ throwing the gauntlet comment which to me is aggression. I see an overall implication of threat in your comment. (I would be very careful Hap...) and condescension (Its's always curious when a newcomer can.... ). I'm sure in real life you are a nice person. Please don't expect me to look at you as a superior of be intimidated here in cyber world.
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No threat from ME Hap... Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum... no matter what side they come from... That was the warning.. Your statements are showing that you are taking this WAAAAAY to personally for a newbie with no history on this forum. ... which leads me to wonder... Just sayin'
 
I guess I'm supposed to realize that hyperbole passes for truth here.
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Your definition of hyperbole. Nothing new to respond to unless you have found the "hate preaching" Democrat Candidate my challenge referred to earlier in this thread.
 
SeaBreeze said:
https://www.seniorforums.com/showthread.php/8331-NOTICE-All-Members-Please-Read
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I agree SeaBreeze. I'm going to present this entire discussion to the site administrators and leave it to their judgement. If their decision is that I'm in error here for opining that this entire discussion is a trivialization of the holocaust and for my response to some of the comments and challenges made, I will voluntarily leave this site. If that's the way this works, I definitely don't belong here.
 
QuickSilver said:
No threat from ME Hap... Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum... no matter what side they come from... That was the warning.. Your statements are showing that you are taking this WAAAAAY to personally for a newbie with no history on this forum. ... which leads me to wonder... Just sayin'
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Hey QS. Are you saying that their is a hierarchy of some sort here? A "good ol' boy/girl" network? A "cool table" at which only the elite can sit and look down upon "newbies?" Wow. I'll see what the administrators think.
 
AZ Jim said:
Your definition of hyperbole. Nothing new to respond to unless you have found the "hate preaching" Democrat Candidate my challenge referred to earlier in this thread.
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Good MorningAZ. In your original throwing of the gauntlet you challenged me to present a "current Democrat" who is being hateful. I complied. In this message, you are calling for a hateful "Democrat Candidate. (SIC)" They are two quite different people. A "Democratic Candidate" is a "current Democrat" I assume. However, not all "current Democrats" are "Democrat Candidates." Is this a new gauntlet or are you changing the rules on me?
 
Hmm. Re Nazis one of the most hateful regimes in history, perhaps, Although I have reservations. In reasonably modern times, the Stalin regime with an estimated at least twenty million dead in the nineteen thirties alone, certainly is a candidate for most terrible.
 
I referred to American candidates for President. Trump and others are preaching hatred. I asked what Democrat is doing likewise. I guess we are just not communicating. I am willing to forget understanding and just let this go as I see no resolution to our apparent language differences.
 
QuickSilver said:
No threat from ME Hap... Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum... no matter what side they come from... That was the warning.. Your statements are showing that you are taking this WAAAAAY to personally for a newbie with no history on this forum. ... which leads me to wonder... Just sayin'
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Hey QS, glad you're still here. Interesting statement. Am I supposed to currently take things in a way you approve of ? At what point in my "history" establishment will I be allowed to take things in other ways? Can I in time achieve upper class status or does one have to be born into it? Did I stumble into a country club site?
 
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