I wonder if they can actually mandate the vaccine...

YIPES! This will be the new debate once a vaccine hits the marketplace. Lawyers will line up at every vaccine center. We just can't stop being stupid.
 

fmdog44 said:
YIPES! This will be the new debate once a vaccine hits the marketplace. Lawyers will line up at every vaccine center. We just can't stop being stupid.
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Lawyers won't be involved. Vaccines have liability immunity in the US. That's why manufacturers continually pile on so many unnecessary boosters and poorly studied new ones onto the recommended schedule for children.
 
MarciKS said:
But if we refuse he says we may not be allowed to leave our homes?? Is that legal?
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This is my question. Some people will not be able to take the vaccine because it could make a pre existing medical worse. So will they be sentenced to life in prison in isolation? That's beyond cruel.
 

Sunny said:
Dershowitz is a long-time troublemaker. He loves to create outrage, and will stop at nothing.

You are absolutely right, StarSong. This item has "fake news" written all over it. Gotta keep the base stirred up!

I'm adding this afterward. Here's a little bit of what Wikipedia has to say about Dershowitz:

Dershowitz has been involved in several high-profile legal cases, including as a member of the defense team for the impeachment trial of Donald Trump.[6] As a criminal appellate lawyer, he won 13 of the 15 murder and attempted murder cases which he had handled,[7] and has represented a series of celebrity clients, including Mike Tyson, Patty Hearst, and Jim Bakker. His most notable cases included the successful appeal of Claus von Bülow's 1982 conviction for the attempted murder of his wife, Sunny, and the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial, in which he served on the legal "Dream Team", alongside Johnnie Cochran and F. Lee Bailey, as an appellate adviser.[8] Dershowitz was also a member of the legal defense teams for the prominent sex offenders Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein, his personal friend. In 2006 he helped to negotiate a non-prosecution agreement on Epstein's behalf.[9]
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He obviously knows where the big money is.
 
chic said:
This is my question. Some people will not be able to take the vaccine because it could make a pre existing medical worse. So will they be sentenced to life in prison in isolation? That's beyond cruel.
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Alan Dershowitz didn't say this was going to happen, only that the US Constitution gives states the power to vaccinate people.

Nobody is suggesting this will happen with COVID, not even Mr. Dershowitz. There's a huge gap between what could conceivably happen during a massive crisis and what will actually happen.
 
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Say what you want about Dershowitz, but he is a great Constitutional lawyer and teaches or did teach it at Harvard. He is revered with Ginsburg as the two top Constitutional attorneys in the U.S. I heard him speak once and answer questions. He never had to think or hesitate before answering. He knew and was very confident of himself. Now, as a person, I can't say much about him because I don't know the man personally.

Back to the question, the answer is "yes" everyone can be made to take the vaccine, unless that person can show that it wouldn't be in his best interests to do so, like maybe a medical reason or reaction to one of the chemicals in the vaccine or religious, like, perhaps the Amish. I don't know about that entirely, but it seems as though the Amish get excluded from a lot of things others are made to tolerate. I am not in anyway trying to show malice because I really like our Amish people. I am just stating what I know or think I know.

Being forced to be vaccinated came from the Supreme Court. It may have been the measles that caused the case to go before the court. We all had to be vaccinated before we could start school, didn't we?
 
I was just sitting here thinking about listening to Mr. Dershowitz speak on that evening at Princeton where I listened to him. In fact, it was in the Woodrow Wilson Auditorium, which is going to be renamed and his statue removed, I think.

When he started, he came out and introduced himself and then gave a brief bio and of course, spoke about his role in some trials where he played a key role in, like the trial of O.J. Simpson and Patty Hearst. He didn't make no bones about it, he loves to argue civil liberties cases along with anything that has to do with the 1st amendment.

I asked him a question that made him smile and I thought to myself, "Oh, crap! He's going to make an ass out of me. I should have kept my mouth shut." But then, he starts out, "Great question."
 
AnnieA said:
Lawyers won't be involved. Vaccines have liability immunity in the US. That's why manufacturers continually pile on so many unnecessary boosters and poorly studied new ones onto the recommended schedule for children.
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911 said:
Say what you want about Dershowitz, but he is a great Constitutional lawyer and teaches or did teach it at Harvard. He is revered with Ginsburg as the two top Constitutional attorneys in the U.S. I heard him speak once and answer questions. He never had to think or hesitate before answering. He knew and was very confident of himself. Now, as a person, I can't say much about him because I don't know the man personally.

Back to the question, the answer is "yes" everyone can be made to take the vaccine, unless that person can show that it wouldn't be in his best interests to do so, like maybe a medical reason or reaction to one of the chemicals in the vaccine or religious, like, perhaps the Amish. I don't know about that entirely, but it seems as though the Amish get excluded from a lot of things others are made to tolerate. I am not in anyway trying to show malice because I really like our Amish people. I am just stating what I know or think I know.

Being forced to be vaccinated came from the Supreme Court. It may have been the measles that caused the case to go before the court. We all had to be vaccinated before we could start school, didn't we?
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I never got any vaccine before starting school.
And you are mistaken about being required to take a vaccine:
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-vaccine-government-mandate-it-possible-1506548
 
911 said:
Say what you want about Dershowitz, but he is a great Constitutional lawyer and teaches or did teach it at Harvard. He is revered with Ginsburg as the two top Constitutional attorneys in the U.S. I heard him speak once and answer questions. He never had to think or hesitate before answering. He knew and was very confident of himself. Now, as a person, I can't say much about him because I don't know the man personally.

Back to the question, the answer is "yes" everyone can be made to take the vaccine, unless that person can show that it wouldn't be in his best interests to do so, like maybe a medical reason or reaction to one of the chemicals in the vaccine or religious, like, perhaps the Amish. I don't know about that entirely, but it seems as though the Amish get excluded from a lot of things others are made to tolerate. I am not in anyway trying to show malice because I really like our Amish people. I am just stating what I know or think I know.

Being forced to be vaccinated came from the Supreme Court. It may have been the measles that caused the case to go before the court. We all had to be vaccinated before we could start school, didn't we?
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A lot of children are not vaccinated before starting school for a variety of reasons and are not excluded.
 
Pepper said:
If the reason is the whim of the parents I think they should be excluded. For medical reasons, of course not.
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Disabled children are not able, often, to get them. Religious reasons, and sometimes parents object. I think the whopping cough is the most objectionable one.
 
911 said:
Back to the question, the answer is "yes" everyone can be made to take the vaccine, unless that person can show that it wouldn't be in his best interests to do so, like maybe a medical reason or reaction to one of the chemicals in the vaccine or religious, like, perhaps the Amish. I don't know about that entirely, but it seems as though the Amish get excluded from a lot of things others are made to tolerate. I am not in anyway trying to show malice because I really like our Amish people. I am just stating what I know or think I know.
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Too many people get away with wrongs in the name of 'religion.' Individuals should not be allowed to play 'typhoid mary' with other people's lives.
 
StarSong said:
Alan Dershowitz didn't say this was going to happen, only that the US Constitution gives states the power to vaccinate people.

Nobody is suggesting this will happen with COVID, not even Mr. Dershowitz. There's a huge gap between what could conceivably happen during a massive crisis and what will actually happen.
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Yes, I know he said this but I cannot locate under what article, paragraph, section, etc. of the constitution this is found. I can't imagine our founding fathers would have been concerned in such a thing.
 
win231 said:
No one can force anyone to take a vaccine or drug.
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My daughter is a nurse.
She is required to have a barrage of vaccinations as part of her conditions of employment.
Hubby and I had to show proof that we have been vaccinated this year for influenza to be allowed to visit his 93 year old auntie in a nursing home.
It is no big deal and good public health policy.
 
chic said:
Yes, I know he said this but I cannot locate under what article, paragraph, section, etc. of the constitution this is found. I can't imagine our founding fathers would have been concerned in such a thing.
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Apparently it's based on a 1905 Supreme Court interpretation of the 10th Amendment.

That said, it appears Dershowitz's interpretation that vaccinations can be forced on Americans isn't necessarily unanimous.
Here's another take on it:
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-vaccine-government-mandate-it-possible-1506548
 
Warrigal said:
My daughter is a nurse.
She is required to have a barrage of vaccinations as part of her conditions of employment.
Hubby and I had to show proof that we have been vaccinated this year for influenza to be allowed to visit his 93 year old auntie in a nursing home.
It is no big deal and good public health policy.
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I disagree with that. Some of us can't take the flu shot. And it's a very big deal if I can't visit a loved one in a home without being forced to take a vaccine that could harm me. That's just ridiculous. And being forced to take vaccinations as a condition of employment? I've never heard of that. I don't see how they can legally get away with that.
 
MarciKS said:
I disagree with that. Some of us can't take the flu shot. And it's a very big deal if I can't visit a loved one in a home without being forced to take a vaccine that could harm me. That's just ridiculous. And being forced to take vaccinations as a condition of employment? I've never heard of that. I don't see how they can legally get away with that.
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Different countries have different laws.
 
StarSong said:
Apparently it's based on a 1905 Supreme Court interpretation of the 10th Amendment.

That said, it appears Dershowitz's interpretation that vaccinations can be forced on Americans isn't necessarily unanimous.
Here's another take on it:
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-vaccine-government-mandate-it-possible-1506548
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Though I doubt that the US can forcibly hold you down and vaccinate you, I bet they can, as the article StarSong cites above, impose consequences if you refuse to be vaccinated, as in requiring certain vaccinations for school and work, etc. It's not the same thing as forcible vaccination. Many, if not most, states require vaccinations of children to enroll them in schools, and many workplaces require vaccinations as eligibility to work and covid vaccination could just be added to the list. Health insurance companies might be able to require vaccination, or exclude coverage covid; I don't really know about this, but I can see them trying to do so.

I do note that the article cited above says the plaintiff wasn't forcibly vaccinated, but had to pay a $5 fine as a consequence of refusal, which is quite a different thing.
 
Butterfly said:
Though I doubt that the US can forcibly hold you down and vaccinate you, I bet they can, as the article StarSong cites above, impose consequences if you refuse to be vaccinated, as in requiring certain vaccinations for school and work, etc. It's not the same thing as forcible vaccination. Many, if not most, states require vaccinations of children to enroll them in schools, and many workplaces require vaccinations as eligibility to work and covid vaccination could just be added to the list. Health insurance companies might be able to require vaccination, or exclude coverage covid; I don't really know about this, but I can see them trying to do so.

I do note that the article cited above says the plaintiff wasn't forcibly vaccinated, but had to pay a $5 fine as a consequence of refusal, which is quite a different thing.
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$5.00? fine? They'd have to get the $5.00 out of me by force. And it would be the hardest $5.00 they ever earned.
 

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