drifter, Sin (tempted by satan) is the root to ALL evil in all religions including Christianity, New Age, Scientology, etcReligion. The root of much evil. I'll pass and take my chances
So does he really " get away with" all that sin?
Surely there is a Judgement Day for him. I dont believe in an "automatic" Hell. Hell only exists until we decide to fess up and own our mistakes. Epstein has to work off his crimes...somehow...is all a mystery of course but ....
as Dostoyevsky said " if there is no accountability for evil then we can do whatever we like. Life is meaningless"
Epstein will not "get away with all that sin". We don't know if he chose to believe in God in his last minutes before his death or not so we don't know his fate in eternity. But either way God will deal with his sins...hint: one way is harsher than the other. No one is beyond redemption until death. Jesus loves the sinner, just not the sin. But the sinner must choose to repent and believe in the free gift of forgiveness during their lifetime in order to receive forgiveness. I don't believe in an automatic hell either if you're talking about in one's lifetime while the choice to repent is still on the table. The only unforgivable sin is rejection of God and Jesus' love and grace all the way until death. Before and after death there is accountability for our sins. Jesus is our intercessor in heaven between us and God because Jesus is the one that made forgiveness possible for believers. He knows our hearts too. Its got to be real.yet how does Pol Pot Mao Stalin or Hitler go?
" oops sorry God about all those mass murders. promise it wont happen again" are some people beyond redemption? answer ?
i dont know....
Protestants have eliminated the Book of Macabees when they wrote the KJV. That's why you never heard of it, Lara.I never heard of the Book of Macabees?? Its not in my Bible. I use the King James version and sometimes cross-reference other versions in seeking truth and clarity. I don't use commentaries or read what theologians say. It's just between me and God's Word for the most part. I sometimes pray before reading my Bible and ask God the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to me as I read. I like it to be a personal relationship. But as a last resort, if I'm confused, I will study further and seek trusted advice.
Here's my opportunity to "debate" differences. I haven't researched yet but Im not powerfully interested anyway. This kind of theological difference would thrill many posters on a Christian forum. Over 100 post thread. "why macabees should never be in the Bible!" I find this kind of point trivial. And we can lose our sense of humour over what constitutes "the truth". here's my liberal tendencies shining through. there are of course some givens. Some objective truths like the Resurrection. Jesus was fully human. he really did suffer pain on the Cross. these kinds of truths we all agree on,. these truths unite us as Christians. They are the ones we don't have to debate. Out of interest though I might research up on macabees. Just for fun . Its not life threatening.Thank you Rose for that information. I never heard that before. Interesting because God's Word in the Bible makes it clear not to add nor subtract to the Bible (Deuteronomy 4:2, and 12:32). Also, not to add anything is mentioned in Revelations 22:18. I'll have to study up on that. Thanks!
I'm learning so I'm feeling the opposite of upset. Whether one believes in Purgatory or not is not going to change the basics of what makes one a Christian. The only thing I see about "working off your sins in a place called purgatory" is that it makes Jesus' purpose on the cross null and void. He made it easy for all to be completely forgiven of all our sins by taking our punishment on the cross. Once he saved us, he would'nt take that gift back and make us pay our own price for our sins and suffer. That would rob us of all the joy he suffered for. All we have to do is admit we're sinners, repent, and believe Jesus is who he said he is. So suffering in purgatory sounds inconsistent with the teachings of the New Testament...forgiveness is free for the asking. Thats probably why the Book of Macabbee was not chosen to be part of my Bible.Ive done a little research on Macabees. One problem for non catholic denoms is the mention of Purgatory in Maccabees 2. Personally I like the idea of Purgatory, whether it is a reality or not. A chance to work off our sins, get cleaned up before we enter Heaven. makes sense to me. But no doubt that is going to upset some Christians. me even discussing it here.
And I'm not fishing nor telling you that purgatory doesn't exist. I've heard of the word purgatory but wasnt aware of what it was even. I learned from your post that purgatory is "A chance to work off our sins, get cleaned up before we enter Heaven" as described in a book of your Bible called Macabbee that doesn't exist in my KJV Bible.im not biting Lara....Neither of us can prove whether Purgatory exists or not. I like the idea of being made holy enough for Heaven. It makes a lot of sense to this homeboy Catholic.
sounds good to me Jim.Taking up a religion because it was my parents or friend or whatever is folly. One can find God without the spins of any special church. The path to our Lord is littered with detours that can derail our plan to be closer to God. Listen to your heart.