If there were a cancer vaccine developed.......

Ronni

Ronni

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.........do you think it would be as hotly debated and politicized and the Covid vaccine? Do you think it would be as divisive?

That question just hit me this morning, as I was debating when to get my 2nd booster, and musing on the continuing debate about to vax or not to vax.

Yeah, obviously there are many differences between cancer and covid, and the differences could be fodder for arguments about my question, or could be used to render the question invalid. But work with me here, OK? ;) It's a very generalized question, and could be posed also about any other illness that there is currently no cure for and that is taking lives.

Would it still be looked upon with suspicion as the covid vaccine has been? Would the conspiracy theorists still think it's because they're trying to microchip us, or any of the other bizarre claims that have been made about covid?

What do you think?
 

The "Big C" is a rather universal fear. I would think folks would line up in droves, mauling each other to be first in line. There was so much speculation and misinformation about covid-19 initially, and the vaccines rushed - I think that produced much of the wariness. I admit that I didn't want to be the first in line for that vaccine. But, if I had cancer and they said, "We have the cure," I'd go for it. I think most people would.
 

The problem with having a cancer vaccine is that there are many different types of cancer and one vaccine may not be effective on all of them. I don’t know how many ‘variants’ or whatever the term it would be of cancer, but we could actually end up looking like a pin cushion.
 
I don't think it would be "politicized," unless some political group worked overtime to make it so. But it would probably be controversial, as some people would be much more eager and accepting of it, and others would have more of a "wait and see" approach. Many would probably be convinced to get it by their doctor, who might ask if they've gotten it yet, during their next medical visit. And the usual vaccine-phobes would refuse to get it, no matter what proof was offered.

In other words, it would be treated more like the flu vaccine, with a little more emotional input, as this is cancer, not flu. But I doubt that the level of argument, lies, fears, constant quoting of statistics (both true and false) would happen every time a new vaccine is proven to be effective and promoted to the public. Usually, nobody cares how much profit the pharmaceutical companies are making; most people just care whether a vaccine is safe and whether it is effective and a good idea to get it, in their own case.

And I doubt that there would be endless, ongoing disputes about it on forums such as this one. How many debates lasting years have we seen about preventing any other disease?
 
If a cancer vaccine was developed and followed normal protocol times with testing and not rushed, then I doubt there would be as much debate over it. Sure there still would be those who think the Government is trying to sneak a microchip in, but the safety of the long term effects of a vaccine that has been rushed is in question.
 
Just out of curiosity what is normal protocol time for vaccine development and how does one know something can't be made faster? It was my understanding they'd already been working on the Covid vaccines back when the whole SARS thing came to be. So they'd been at it a while already.

I think people are funny. I think they're getting too paranoid of a lot of things. I think no matter what there's always going to be people that are suspicious of all pharmaceuticals, anything experimental and governmental mandates. There are just some people who have the mindset that everyone is out to get them. First time someone happened to die from a cancer vaccine then everyone would be up in arms over it. JMO
 
MarciKS said:
Just out of curiosity what is normal protocol time for vaccine development and how does one know something can't be made faster? It was my understanding they'd already been working on the Covid vaccines back when the whole SARS thing came to be. So they'd been at it a while already.

I think people are funny. I think they're getting too paranoid of a lot of things. I think no matter what there's always going to be people that are suspicious of all pharmaceuticals, anything experimental and governmental mandates. There are just some people who have the mindset that everyone is out to get them. First time someone happened to die from a cancer vaccine then everyone would be up in arms over it. JMO
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Making it fast is not the problem. The time needed to learn about the effects is the problem. Most all vaccines have been followed for years to see if any serious effects happen. With the Covid vaccine no one knows what serious side effects it will have in 5-10 years.
 
Becky1951 said:
Making it fast is not the problem. The time needed to learn about the effects is the problem. Most all vaccines have been followed for years to see if any serious effects happen. With the Covid vaccine no one knows what serious side effects it will have in 5-10 years.
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I will be sure to let you know if I develop any problems. :)
 
MarciKS said:
Just out of curiosity what is normal protocol time for vaccine development and how does one know something can't be made faster? It was my understanding they'd already been working on the Covid vaccines back when the whole SARS thing came to be. So they'd been at it a while already.

I think people are funny. I think they're getting too paranoid of a lot of things. I think no matter what there's always going to be people that are suspicious of all pharmaceuticals, anything experimental and governmental mandates. There are just some people who have the mindset that everyone is out to get them. First time someone happened to die from a cancer vaccine then everyone would be up in arms over it. JMO
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The explanation that "they were already working on the Covid vaccines when the SARS thing came to be" was their way of instilling confidence in a vaccine they were trying to sell to people who knew it was rushed into production & didn't trust its safety or effectiveness.
Just as with the flu vaccine, when people realized it didn't work, they had to come up with something, so......"Well, it may not prevent the flu but your illness will be shorter."
They don't want to end up with truckloads of vaccine that they invested billions in that nobody wants & they have to dispose of.
 
Tish said:
Unfortunately, it will be criticized and scrutinized, however, when the vaccine for cervical cancer was developed, it went really well over here.
All my granddaughters have had it, to which I am very grateful.
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They were leery of it here & refusing it for their children.
 
Ronni said:
If there were a cancer vaccine developed.......
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I'm going to take this part and run with it and say- if a cancer vaccine were developed I would surely be interested.

Ronni said:
.........do you think it would be as hotly debated and politicized and the Covid vaccine? Do you think it would be as divisive?
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Who knows...? For those in the logically thinking mode...who would have foreseen the conspiracy and paranoia belief system afloat in our society, these last few years, it just confounds all sensibility.
 
You know what I find amusing is the fact that they could've told us a lie and said they'd been studying the effects of the covid vaccine for years and were ready to bring it into use to help save lives. I think a lot of what people go by is wording.
 
win231 said:
Those "cures" & "breakthroughs" are announced on a regular basis. They never materialize & aren't followed up on; we never hear of them again.
I read the purpose is to keep those big research grants coming in.
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And it does. It won't surprise me if the real breakthrough comes when profits from current treatments and big, expensive diagnostic machines start to plateau. Maybe that's finally happening.
 
Tish said:
Unfortunately, it will be criticized and scrutinized, however, when the vaccine for cervical cancer was developed, it went really well over here.
All my granddaughters have had it, to which I am very grateful.
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this issue is in the fine print the HPV vaccine only effects a very tiny amount of POSSIBLE cases and types of cervical cancer..... but EVERYONE must have it $$$$$$$$
so if it helps with less then 3-5% .... the other 95% is still a possible ........
I am finding the wording on commercials for these vaccines .....
to mention only effect a small amount but does not give how small because people may think twice.

I see they keep coming out with more and more vaccines and even medications ............................ after the initial ones that promised better results were just not cutting it ....there are more and more for flu/ shingles / meningitis and so many seem to NEED booster/ or companion vaccines ...... that is why the definition of vaccine in CDC / FDA world was re- worded .........

if a doctor gives me a pill that needs two extra to make it work correctly .... maybe the pill needs to be scrapped and made to actually do what it said without all the booster/ helper doses of companion meds....
 
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Jeni said:
this issue is in the fine print the HPV vaccine only effects a very tiny amount of POSSIBLE cases and types of cervical cancer..... but EVERYONE must have it $$$$$$$$
so if it helps with less then 3-5% .... the other 95% is still a possible ........
I am finding the wording on commercials for these vaccines .....
to mention only effect a small amount but does not give how small because people may think twice.

I see they keep coming out with more and more vaccines and even medications ............................ after the initial ones that promised better results were just not cutting it ....there are more and more for flu/ shingles / meningitis and so many seem to NEED booster/ or companion vaccines ...... that is why the definition of vaccine in CDC / FDA world was re- worded .........

if a doctor gives me a pill that needs two extra to make it work correctly .... maybe the pill needs to be scrapped and made to actually do what ir said without all the booster/ helper doses of companion meds....
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And that ridiculous new TV ad for the Meningitis vaccine. Showing young, deaf people with both legs amputated, implying that's what will happen to you if you don't get the vaccine.
Yeah; keep that fear campaign going - without it, no sales.
 
win231 said:
And that ridiculous new TV ad for the Meningitis vaccine. Showing young, deaf people with both legs amputated, implying that's what will happen to you if you don't get the vaccine.
Yeah; keep that fear campaign going - without it, no sales.
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exactly while i am sure there are SOME with bad outcomes that visual is designed to make the watcher buy that is the ONLY outcome....
 

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