If there were a cancer vaccine developed.......

I'm wondering would its cost be a dividing factor. Would it be cost prohibitive to the poor and lower middle class. If so, there might wind up being a political element involved. Since cancer is not a communicable disease, however, I don't think those who got it and those who didn't would antagonize one another.
 

Ronni said:
.........do you think it would be as hotly debated and politicized and the Covid vaccine? Do you think it would be as divisive?
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From the start of the last century until about the middle there was one that worked easily for most cancers.
Was it hotly debated?
Was it politicized ?
Was it divisive ?

Who cares. It works still. Just not in the usa.
 
Ronni said:
.........do you think it would be as hotly debated and politicized and the Covid vaccine? Do you think it would be as divisive?
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From the start of the last century until about the middle there was one that worked easily for most cancers.
Was it hotly debated?
Was it politicized ?
Was it divisive ?

Who cares. It works still. Just not in the usa.
 

Leann said:
How do you explain children who develop cancer? Or people with inherited cancer syndromes? Sorry, I don't agree with your statement that almost all cancers can be prevented and successfully treated by diet.
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What country were you brought up in and taught in ?
 
Leann said:
I'm not engaging with you. If it were just a matter of diet (according to you) then there wouldn't be any diseases, not just cancer. You're welcome to your theories and I hope they work for you but for me, I'll stick with what the data shows and what REAL scientists extrapolate from the data.
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Not according to me. According to all history and truth. The more people take drugs, the more disease there is. The more food was altered, to not have the nutrition needed for healthy lives, the more sicknesses . Look up the seven tribes who had no sickness when they were discovered. Look up what happened in different countries when "white man's" processed food / fast food was started - always disease increased.

So if you never learned to eat healthy, to stay and remain healthy, by eating the right foods then ?

That's a shame, not just for you, but for all the little children and old people and everyone in between who is sick because they ate something bad for them.

No need to "engage"or reply to me.

Find the centuries old books on maintaining health and what was always known before the

drug lords took over.

Everyone either learned the truth about health, or they learned what the "new" world wants them to think.

Both are always opposed to each other, like you and I are.
p.s. I put you on ignore so I won't see your posts nor reply to them any more, unless you change.
 
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That's true. A year before the covid-19 vaccine came out, nobody was dying from the virus. A year after the vaccine came out, thousands of people were dying every day. That's proof that vaccines kill!

Also, look at all the people who enter a hospital alive and kicking, only to have their dead bodies wheeled out a few weeks later. That's proof that hospitals kill!

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WE'RE ALL Gonna DIE!!!
 
SeniorBen said:
A year before the covid-19 vaccine came out, nobody was dying from the virus. A year after the vaccine came out, thousands of people were dying every day. That's proof that vaccines kill!

Also, look at all the people who enter a hospital alive and kicking, only to have their dead bodies wheeled out a few weeks later. That's proof that hospitals kill!
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All of these things have been easy to see from the very beginning.
Yet many people still have their eyes shut, and refuse to see what is right in front of them.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see.
The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know." -- John Heywood, 1546

@Warrigal @Ronni
"The wolves have come out with a conclusive study that shows wolves attacking chickens is good for the chickens, helps to increase survival from viruses, and that no chickens have actually died from the wolf bite injections.

"The conspiracy chickens who claim wolves are killing chickens with their wolf bite injections don't have any scientific expertise or studies to back this up that have been approved by the wolf's corporations. Only approved wolf corporation studies should be relied on, not hysterical chicken conspiracy theorists who don't know what they're cackling about.

"There's no truth to the rumors that millions of chickens have died from wolf bite injections and been eaten by wolves. All of the wolves are here to help all the chickens, not to harm them."
 
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Tish said:
Unfortunately, it will be criticized and scrutinized, however, when the vaccine for cervical cancer was developed, it went really well over here.
All my granddaughters have had it, to which I am very grateful.
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My first thought too, Tish. Most mothers made sure that their daughters were vaccinated but there were some people who objected on the grounds that it would encourage promiscuity in teens.

The program has been successful and was expanded to include teenage boys too because they can be carriers of the virus (HPV - human papilloma virus) that causes cervical cancer. They will still be carriers as adult men if they are not vaccinated early.
 
Jeni said:
this issue is in the fine print the HPV vaccine only effects a very tiny amount of POSSIBLE cases and types of cervical cancer..... but EVERYONE must have it $$$$$$$$
so if it helps with less then 3-5% .... the other 95% is still a possible ........
I am finding the wording on commercials for these vaccines .....
to mention only effect a small amount but does not give how small because people may think twice.

I see they keep coming out with more and more vaccines and even medications ............................ after the initial ones that promised better results were just not cutting it ....there are more and more for flu/ shingles / meningitis and so many seem to NEED booster/ or companion vaccines ...... that is why the definition of vaccine in CDC / FDA world was re- worded .........

if a doctor gives me a pill that needs two extra to make it work correctly .... maybe the pill needs to be scrapped and made to actually do what it said without all the booster/ helper doses of companion meds....
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3% is wildly inaccurate

Large Study Confirms that HPV Vaccine Prevents Cervical Cancer​


October 14, 2020, by NCI Staff

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A new study confirms that widespread use of the HPV vaccine reduces the incidence of cervical cancer, particularly for women who are vaccinated when they are younger.

In what many global health leaders are calling a milestone study, researchers in Sweden have confirmed that widespread use of the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine dramatically reduces the number of women who will develop cervical cancer.

In the study of nearly 1.7 million women, the vaccine’s efficacy was particularly pronounced among girls vaccinated before age 17, among whom there was a nearly 90% reduction in cervical cancer incidence during the 11-year study period (2006 through 2017) compared with the incidence in women who had not been vaccinated.

“This is a vaccine against cancer, which can save lives,” said the study’s leader, Jiayao Lei, Ph.D., of the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm.

On Twitter, Noel Brewer, Ph.D., who studies cancer prevention and HPV vaccines at the University of North Carolina, called the study results “incredibly powerful.” The findings were published September 30 in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Studies and clinical trials to date have consistently shown that HPV vaccines are extremely effective at reducing infections with the types of the virus that can lead to cancer, as well as cervical precancers. But because of the long time between infection and cancer, it had yet to be shown that HPV vaccination prevents cervical cancers.

“Because HPV vaccination prevents persistent HPV infection and cervical precancer, the precursors to cervical cancer, we were confident we would eventually observe that HPV vaccination prevents cervical cancer. We also knew it would take time to observe that,” said Aimée R. Kreimer, Ph.D., of NCI’s Division of Cancer Epidemiology and Genetics, who studies HPV vaccines and cancer prevention.

“Cervical cancer can be a devastating diagnosis,” said Abbey Berenson, M.D., Ph.D., who specializes in women’s health at the University of Texas Medical Branch. The study results, Dr. Berenson continued, “send an incredibly important message” about the impact widespread use of the HPV vaccine can have.

The Missing Piece of Evidence​

Large clinical trials of HPV vaccines—which enrolled thousands of participants and followed them over time—assessed their ability to prevent cervical infections with cancer-causing types of HPV and the development of precancerous lesions in the cervix that can result from those infections.

The clinical trials did not measure whether the vaccine prevents cervical cancer because precancerous lesions in the cervix found during a clinical trial would be treated, preventing their progression to cancer, Dr. Kreimer explained.

The Swedish study, however, looked back in time at a huge population of women. And for their study, the Swedish researchers had two factors in their favor: the individual-level data in the country’s nationwide public health registry and the fact that, beginning in 2007, the country has conducted a series of nationwide HPV vaccination programs.

The Swedish study isn’t the first large population-based study of HPV vaccines. In Australia, for example, researchers have shown that the country’s universal HPV vaccination program, launched in 2007, led to massive declines in infections with the HPV types covered by the vaccine, while also protecting against HPV infections in unvaccinated people, a phenomenon known as herd immunity.

It’s logical to conclude that if the vaccine slashes infections with cancer-causing HPV types and the development of advanced precancerous cervical lesions in women, then far fewer diagnoses of invasive cervical cancers should follow in the ensuing years, Dr. Berenson said.

Nevertheless, no studies had gone on long enough to deliver that logic to its anticipated result.

Link- Study Confirms HPV Vaccine Prevents Cervical Cancer - NCI
 
Just Jeff said:
What would you have the body do with any cancer before it is big enough for the doctors to discover it ?

You believe the liars.

I don't lie.

A lot of people believe the lies.

They don't believe me either.
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It is difficult to believe you when you don’t cite sources, references, studies.

You don’t link to the information you provide here so it comes across as just your opinion when your only source data are anecdotal information regarding a pharmacist you met in the 80’s or a doctor in the 60’s, or vague references to “they” and “them” and China and the Panama Canal.

If you’re frustrated that no one believes you, then be more believable. Cite your source. Link your reference. Let the data speak for itself.
 
It would still be politicized, but not to the same extent. Most people understand that cancer is real, but there are some that would still refuse vaccination. It wouldn't make any difference to society, because cancer is not contagious and does not cause pandemics.
 
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"Gardasil 9 vaccine prevents diseases caused only by HPV types 6, 11, 16, 18, 31, 33, 45, 52, and 58. It will not prevent diseases caused by other types of HPV.

Like any vaccine, the Gardasil 9 may not provide protection from disease in every person."
this was except from site on this one

Lets use logic the all HPV types are numbered 1- thru however many .....the highlighted part shows that only covers 9 types and even if 58 was last # is a portion of HPV strains........
There also has been a more recent push to have adults thru age 45 take these shots ... even though they are NOT even close to as effective in adult as they would be to kids age 9-12......
so why ? $$$$$$$$$
I am all for preventative vaccines............. but this one as well as a few others only work on SOME types of disease and FULL disclosure of % who would have developed a disease is hard to find.
It is actually marketed as "it may only happen to a small percent but if your child ends up in that percent YOU failed in possibly protecting them"
 
Ronni said:
It is difficult to believe you when you don’t cite sources, references, studies.

You don’t link to the information you provide here so it comes across as just your opinion when your only source data are anecdotal information regarding a pharmacist you met in the 80’s or a doctor in the 60’s, or vague references to “they” and “them” and China and the Panama Canal.

If you’re frustrated that no one believes you, then be more believable. Cite your source. Link your reference. Let the data speak for itself.
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If it's stupid, but it works, it ain't stupid!
 
Ronni said:
For anyone who doesn’t know, that’s my forum signature at the bottom of each of my posts.

@Just Jeff Trying to be cute as an obfuscation or misdirection doesn’t deflect my queries about links, references, peer reviewed studies, data sources etc for your claims.
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It works, regardless if you think stupid or not.

If you wanted to know where the library or a gas station or a grocery store is, you'd look it up.

If you want to know how doctors cured cancer legally before the druggies made it illegal by fed law in the usa,
look it up in the books written over the last century that describe how successful they were daily for years, and how simple it was.
 
Just Jeff said:
It works, regardless if you think stupid or not.

If you wanted to know where the library or a gas station or a grocery store is, you'd look it up.

If you want to know how doctors cured cancer legally before the druggies made it illegal by fed law in the usa,
look it up in the books written over the last century that describe how successful they were daily for years, and how simple it was.
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Ah hell no, you don’t get to dodge the claims YOU made by telling ME to look it up. 😂

Either cite your source with an appropriate reference, link or study, or quit making claims you can’t prove.
 
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Just Jeff said:
It works, regardless if you think stupid or not.

If you wanted to know where the library or a gas station or a grocery store is, you'd look it up.

If you want to know how doctors cured cancer legally before the druggies made it illegal by fed law in the usa,
look it up in the books written over the last century that describe how successful they were daily for years, and how simple it was.
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Leann said:
I'm not engaging with you. If it were just a matter of diet (according to you) then there wouldn't be any diseases, not just cancer. You're welcome to your theories and I hope they work for you but for me, I'll stick with what the data shows and what REAL scientists extrapolate from the data.
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Great decision, Leeann. I think you scared him because he put you on Ignore, which is really just taking his toys and going home. Not worth anyone's time. ;)
 
dseag2 said:
Great decision, Leeann. I think you scared him because he put you on Ignore, which is really just taking his toys and going home. Not worth anyone's time. ;)
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Thanks, @dseag2. I have extensive, specific knowledge about the nonsense he's spewing and I just couldn't engage with him. I'm not saying that the food we eat doesn't contribute to health because we know it does but to make blanket statements that cancer is caused by diet is false and misleading. The very first patient I met some 30 plus years ago was a young woman who was in her early 30s. After saying hello to her, she burst into tears and said "I did everything right, I exercised, I ate healthy food, I never smoked or drank, I stayed out of the sun and now I have invasive breast cancer". I never forgot that moment.

I worked extensively in molecular oncology research. Cancer is not one disease, there are several hundred kinds. I have been diagnosed with one of them and have undergone treatment. For anyone to purport that cancer can be prevented and successfully treated by diet is woefully misinformed. I can cite scientific literature in peer-reviewed journals by renowned scientists to counter that assertion.

Again, I'm not saying diet isn't critically important to health but I am saying that there are many other factors at play that contribute to it.
 
Ronni said:
Ah hell no, you don’t get to dodge the claims YOU made by telling ME to look it up. 😂

Either cite your source with an appropriate reference, link or study, or quit making claims you can’t prove.
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You and others just go on as you have, getting toxins injected that are known and proven for a century to cause crib death, autism, seizures, lower iq, and other problems , just because someone told you to.

No worry about claims. You get what you look for.
 

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