Illegal Immigrants Recieve More Welfare Than American Families

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A recent study has shows illegal immigrants receive more in federal welfare benefits than non immigrants. Legal and illegal immigrant welfare use comes out to about 103 Billion dollars a year and $1000 more than non immigrant groups. Report also noted many illegals probably getting benefits through their children since federal benefits can't be collected by illegals. Immigrant groups receive more cash, food and medicaid assistance than non immigrants.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Illegal-Immigrants-Welfare-American/2016/05/09/id/727875/

This doesn't include state or local assistance being a study of federal benefits only.
 

Falcon said:
Guess I'll move out and come back as an illegal.

Thanks to all the liberals.
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Not only does this show the costs involved with welfare in general in the US it shows why many of these European countries and citizens get upset at the current wave of legal/illegal immigrants and/or refugees. These costs alone show the need for the source of these immigrant's financial issues at the point of origin to be addressed ie their original country. We should back bill the country of origin. Tell em pay up or be invaded and thrown out of power.
 

Uhhh, WhatInThe....that's the very same attitude that has caused and supported the continuation of the misery in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria......are you sure that's the way America should continue? ('... be invaded and thrown out of power.') Fuel to the fire you know.

 
Our entire "welfare" system is a Sham, designed to just cover up the real causes for poverty. In many cases, public assistance pays substantially more than any minimum wage jobs....especially at a level of $7.25/hr. In an extreme case, a person could potentially make more than they would working at a $15/hr job. "Milking the system" could potentially return more than $20/hr.

http://nypost.com/2013/08/19/when-welfare-pays-better-than-work/

However, until this nation creates an environment where there is a decent paying job for every adult, we are stuck with supporting millions who cannot find employment that allows them to live decently. Every good job our corporations send to Asia, or Mexico, etc., exacerbates the problem. Automation and Robotics are replacing human labor in our factories. Every unwanted child born to a single mother creates the potential for another welfare recipient. Basically, we have far too many people chasing fewer and fewer good jobs. Much of our education system is more devoted to "baby sitting" rather than preparing our young people for the changing jobs environment. We still have to extend works visas for thousands of better educated foreign workers to supply the needs of our remaining industries.

The situation is probably Not going to improve much, without drastic changes to our entire society. Presently, if you factor in everything from Social Security, to "subsidized" cell phones, almost Half of our population relies on some form of a monthly government check to meet their needs.

And....Until we have leadership in Washington that pays more than Lip Service to the Illegal Immigrant and border control issues, the flow of people and illegal drugs streaming North will continue.
 
I'm too tired to look up regulations and stats on this right now but I call bull crap...the state I live in asks for major ID even if you are an American citizen. Even for actual American citizens welfare, even cash benefits and food stamps doesn't come close to a living wage. Even if you add in housing vouchers to live in the projects.

I thought the notion of Cadillac welfare mom's went out with the Reagan era...some folks are clueless about the real world.
 
fureverywhere said:
I'm too tired to look up regulations and stats on this right now but I call bull crap...the state I live in asks for major ID even if you are an American citizen. Even for actual American citizens welfare, even cash benefits and food stamps doesn't come close to a living wage. Even if you add in housing vouchers to live in the projects.

I thought the notion of Cadillac welfare mom's went out with the Reagan era...some folks are clueless about the real world.
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I agree with you, Fur. It certainly is not true here in NM. Having struggled to get my niece benefits when she was terminally ill with two minor children at home, lost her job, medical care, etc., I can most definitely testify that the benefits (1) are not easy to get; (2) certainly are not all that much, nowhere near what a minimum wage job would pay, and certainly not enough to maintain a household.

As the article states:

"The CIS analysis study points out illegal immigrants are barred from directly receiving welfare, but may obtain it through their U.S.-born children."

They don't get welfare for themselves, but based on US citizen children. That would be things like the CHIP/Medicaid program -- medical care for minor children -- and food stamps. If the illegal immigrant lives in the home, of course they are going to eat with the family and benefit from food stamps, etc.

I seriously believe the "facts" stated in the article are skewed and stated to give a false picture.

I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration, and think the government should do much more to stop it. However, having said that, do we really want US born children (or any children, for that matter) starving to death or dying from diseases (like TB, for instance, that could spread and affect all of us)?
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The link provided in the article goes into much more detail and some of the sources cited include the federal budget and census data. Also remember the many of those statistics include legal and illegal immigrant usage.

http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households

Just a quick check it's on the Census site but they tell you unauthorized immigrant data is collected. Also note immigration is under the heading of international migration.
 
WhatInThe said:
The link provided in the article goes into much more detail and some of the sources cited include the federal budget and census data. Also remember the many of those statistics include legal and illegal immigrant usage.

http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households

Just a quick check it's on the Census site but they tell you unauthorized immigrant data is collected. Also note immigration is under the heading of international migration.
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I read the article, and the links, and I still believe it is skewed. They are calling a family with one illegal immigrant living in it an illegal immigrant family and that is a mischaracterization -- if children were born here, they are Americans and entitled to all the benefits and rights of citizenship. The fact that they are getting food stamps is because they qualify as Americans, not illegal immigrants. The fact that there is an illegal immigrant living in the household or even heading the household is irrelevant.

As I said, I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration; however, articles such as this are geared to get people all riled up about illegal immigrants getting welfare, which does not happen because it is illegal.

If we are opposed to illegal immigration, let's do something about the problem, not stir up more anger and hatred with misleading articles about illegal immigrants allegedly getting welfare.
 
I don't believe the article either. And the title of this thread is misleading. It says Illegal immigrants and then goes on to say legal and illegal.
 
The anti immigration people in the UK try to pull the same BS. They try to tell voters that illegal immigrants sneak into the country and immediately are given housing and benefits. BS.
 
fureverywhere said:
I'm too tired to look up regulations and stats on this right now but I call bull crap...the state I live in asks for major ID even if you are an American citizen. Even for actual American citizens welfare, even cash benefits and food stamps doesn't come close to a living wage. Even if you add in housing vouchers to live in the projects.

I thought the notion of Cadillac welfare mom's went out with the Reagan era...some folks are clueless about the real world.
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I know you are right. I know many on food stamps and I get them, too. I get 143.00 a month for food. That is hardly enough. I have to go to the churches for hot meals and to the food bank at times, too.
 
Well, "free loading bums" may be a rather emotionally loaded way of phrasing the situation.

But, what would one find an acceptable term for those who either a) demand the property which others have worked for to feed themselves, clothe themselves, house themselves, etc.; or b) bring a child into the world that they have absolutely no ability to care for and therefore must depend on the property of others?

On the other hand, shouldn't we be praising the achievers who support themselves and the ......(term TBD)?
 
Well, to begin with, consider the source as they say, when reading a hype-laden article. The only "news" link that the article cites is from Center for Immigration Studies, which is:
The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a conservative[SUP][2][/SUP] non-profit research organization that advocates immigration reduction in the United States.[SUP][3][/SUP] It was started as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) in 1985.[SUP][4][/SUP] The CIS's self-described mission is to "provid[e] immigration policymakers, the academic community, news media, and concerned citizens with reliable information about the social, economic, environmental, security, and fiscal consequences of legal and illegal immigration into the United States."[SUP][5][/SUP]
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The original article in the OP is off of newsmax.com, is itself also a conservative media outlet:
Newsmax Media, commonly called Newsmax, is a conservative[SUP][1][/SUP] American news media organization founded by Christopher Ruddy and based in West Palm Beach, Florida. It operates the news website Newsmax.com, publishes the Franklin Prosperity Report and Newsmax magazine, and runs a conservative cable news channel Newsmax TV.
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Until we are allowed to stop these illegal immigrants at the border we will be paying thousands of dollars to those that do not deserve it at all. This past year we had thousands that rode on top of trains till close to the US/Mexico border. Then they walked to the border, crossed and some sat down waiting to be picked up and other just walked north and disappeared into the US. We have over 11 million illegals somewhere in the US as of 2015.

https://www.numbersusa.org/numbers/illegal-immigration

There were thousands of those that came last year and mostly were teens and younger. How will they become citizens? Those that were picked up immediately became the US responsibility for shelter, food, clothing, health. All this came for free? Those that slipped on became the object of our border patrol that can not stop them at the border but do have the responsibility to spend man hours, equipment cost and replacements, buildings to use for their operations, wages, and so on. That is costly to the US government and helps build our national debt. When they do find and capture these folks they will need shelter, or jails, food, clothing, court times, cost to send them back to their country. Contrary to our present governments rules, we should be actually covering the borders and refusing entry to those without the proper papers. So we do not become responsible for the thousands that we end up sheltering, feeding, taking care of for medical problems.

Some say we are not spending much on our welfare program but that is most likely a narrow minded view as the undocumented ones cost plenty while trying to locate them and get them to join the immigrant status or get sent back home.

Some say being born in the US is the way things are. Not something I would put full support on as being an illegal parent could become a reason to not give US nationality to babies born here. That is sort of like saying illegals have more rights than the citizens do. Commit a crime sneaking across our borders and then get special treatments. Something the Congress could take up and clarify if it continues to be the way they get here and then get pregnant for legal ties to stay here.

http://www.alipac.us/illegal-immigration-facts-statistics/
 

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